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Vanessa wrote:I am an insomniac and wondered if allegra keeps you awake, also should I see these reactions as a sign of gut healing. .......
I always take antihistamines first thing in the morning after breakfast in order to bypass any sleep inhibition effects, but the main reason I take them then is because that way they should be at a potent level when the pollen level maxes out later in the day. If you want to take one at night, take benederyl. Many members take it in order to help them sleep, because it's an old first generation antihistamine. Allegra is a second generation antihistamine, so it shouldn't cause significant drowsiness.

Yes, for most of us, a return of sensitivity to pollen indicates significant gut healing. I had no reactions at all to pollen for years, while MC was active, and before my gut had time to heal.

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Hey guys,
My biopsy is over and things seem to be fine.....except for this throat thing. I've been on a steady allegra schedule without relief of the swelling. Interestingly I had nothing to eat or drink until 2 in the afternoon for the procedure and still had the sensation. No grooming yesterday either, not even teeth brushing just to experiment. Plus I had a lot of loopy drugs on board and still had the sensation( rule out anxiety) The surgeon agreed to prescribe an epi pen for the weekend. I wonder if I should try Zantac until I can get to my GP next week. I did have evidence of bleeding ulcers on my colonoscopy report a year ago and I'm guessing I have low stomach acid. Would Zantac be dangerous to try? Sorry for all of the bugging but this sensation is horrible....like half of my throat is closed and my vocal chords are just about ready to close up shop. 02 sats are fine, no strider or wheezing, comes and goes during the day, worse at night, feels almost normal by morning until I get up and start moving around. I'm constantly clearing my throat like the mucus is stuck inside. The allegra cleared up the throat itching and watery eyes. Viral infections have been dropping everybody like flies at work. Thanks for listening to my rant. My vitamin D about a month ago was 96 so I dropped it from 10,000 Ius down to 5,000 knowing I was gonna get cut on......I didn't want to completely stop it. Just trying to think of everything. Tex I hope this flu thing is on it's last legs....
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Vanessa,

Could your symptoms be due to GERD?......... which can cause acid damage all the way up the esophagus to the back of the throat and even the vocal cords. Even dentists are now diagnosing GERD when they find enamel erosion on the back molars. Just a thought, since everything else seems to be ruled out. In this case, Zantac would be a good med to try. I'd try a 75 mg. - or even a 150 mg every 12 hours if you see little benefit from the smaller dose. Shouldn't cause major problems if you do have low stomach acid, because the Zantac only turns off a portion of the stomach acid - not like the PPIs which turn virtually all of the acid off and which we need to avoid because they aggravate MC.

Good luck. It must be a miserable feeling!

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Thanks Polly! You've put my mind at ease...I will try today. The nurse yesterday also suggested this but I wanted the opinion of my PP family :wink:
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Hi Vanessa,

I certainly agree that the Zantac may be a good idea (and it shouldn't hurt anything). The problem may even be due to a combination of irritants (GERD, pollen, viruses, etc.,). As you say, there are a lot of hazards floating around out there.

Have you checked to make sure that you don't have any fever?

I sure hope the flu is on it's last legs too, because I'm now on day 10, and still dealing with it. Does the flu cause low blood pressure? My BP was 81/45 (heart rate 75) just before noon today. It keeps creeping lower each day. :shock: I thought that I was through with the flu yesterday, because my temperature has been below normal for a couple of days now, but I notice that it's up a degree now again. :sigh:

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The only thing that comes to my mind is dehydration.....which you already know. I don't know if you can tolerate coconut water. That'll get your electrolytes where they should be in a jiffy. ....assuming that's the issue. Are you dizzy with that low of a pressure? I wonder if your thyroid is messin with you again. Maybe Monday if your still ill a wonderful trip to the Dr. Is in order :roll:
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Oh yeah...no fever thank goodness. The chills have come and gone, but I attribute that to the spirits moving through me.....just kidding. The medicine yesterday still has me loopy....
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Hi Vanessa,

The low pressure doesn't make me dizzy (or noticeably lightheaded) but my eyes don't seem to be operating at full illumination when my pressure is that low. IOW my field of vision seems darker than normal. But maybe that's just my imagination.

I'm forcing myself to drink extra water, and I haven't had any D for 2 days now, so I shouldn't be dehydrated. But who knows? The more water I drink, the sooner my mouth feels dry again. That seems weird. And because of that, I've been suspicions of the thyroid issue myself, but so far my heart rate seems to be staying about where it should be (rather than being elevated when the BP is low). BP is 113/64 (heart rate 75) right now.

I reckon I'll see how it goes over the weekend.

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Vanessa wrote:Oh what an adventure all of these new little symptoms can be :razz: this past week, as the day wears on, my throat feels like it's closing up a little bit. I have to clear it often because it is somewhat uncomfortable. I thought maybe I was catching a bug but it's been too long now. By morning it feels normal. My new theory is since MC effects mouth to anus, the mucosal layer of my throat must be inflamed. Since I'm not eating while asleep, it's all better by morning. Stomach burning is present at night but has lessened....comes and goes. Would it be worth getting an endoscopy? Has anyone else experienced this feeling? I quit the immodium for a week and still experience dizziness throughout the day, so I can probably rule that out. I'm thinking of taking a trip to iowa city where my brother had an awesome gastro named Henning Gerke. He believes in nutrition and loves what he does, I will give him a copy of Tex's book if I go.
I recently said something similar about symptoms from adams apple to anus. Can this be right for MC. also I get a runny noise when i'm eating which never happened before my gastro issue's
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Jim,

MC goes farther than the adam's apple — it also includes the mouth. The mucosal lining of the mouth can be inflamed the same way as the intestines if the mouth is involved with the disease, and many of us have mouth sores and other markers of problems with mast cell issues.

The runny nose you experience when eating is a symptom of a mast cell reaction. You might be interested in the information in the short articles at the following links:

What are mast cells?

How are mast cells associated with microscopic colitis?

How do I know if mast cells are causing problems for me?

How are mast cell issues treated?

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Re anti histamines I heard a nurse saying in the radio that if you get stung by a wasp near the throat area you should dissolve an AH in the mouth itself. I have done this with the oldest one called chlorphenamine (Piriton).
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Just curious if Vanessa figured this out. I'm having the same problem now. Thought it was due to my new food allergies, but it sees to get bad even when I'm not eating. It started after the banana episode. it started today and I hadn't eaten anything for awhile. I keep thinking l'm imagining it or what. My throat feels thick....
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Martha
based on my journey and various research and reading I believe the following (cant say it is definate or applies to everyone)

once we have deficiencies, and our immune system, and adrenals etc are not operating properly, then there are heightened reactions to 'almost everything'. The body is struggling with anything different, different foods, different air, different water, change in weather, stress etc.

the ongoing inflammation continues to deplete the nutrients. Taking anti histamines can reduce the inflammation and reactions and make life 'liveable' but it is not dealing with the root cause.

Mainstream medicine do not acknowledge this root cause, and there is no easy test to confirm that this is the issue, and there is no quick fix.
that is where things like methylation cycle etc come into play to help identify what may work best for your body...
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Martha,

Your body doesn't seem to be getting rid of left-over histamine, and it continues to build up in your blood. Normally, diamine oxidase (DAO) purges unused histamine on a regular basis. In fact, a very high DAO level during pregnancy is apparently the reason why many women see their MC go into remission for the duration of pregnancy. IBDs and methylation issues are known to interfere with the production of DAO so that as we become DAO deficient, histamine becomes an increasingly-significant problem.

Theoretically, histame (a DAO substitute) should help, but I have no idea whether it has actually resolved anyone's histamine buildup issues. As you are well aware, theory and real world experiences are not always congruent.

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Thanks Gabes and Tex, I was actually googling that last night and looking on iherb for the supplement. The allergist said that my environmental allergies were very mild considering others in our area. And said that if they were also high that she would look into why my body was producing so much histamines...

My only vitamin levels that I know are d3 (45) and b12 (512)....guess I should start there.

Thank you so much guys for this place to ease my anxieties! My husband tries to help. He has been correcting his throat all day (yesterday too). Maybe there are allergies out there that I'm not aware of, not helping my situation. Plus I'm avoiding antihistamines due to the D.
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