In general my bowels have been better lately , even my nose bleeds have stopped , however I've been revisited by a pain I had for a few years , a pain which seemed to subside with the onset off MC.
For a few years I would get a rather nasty pain around my breast bone area and just below it when I ate greasy food, this pain would only happen while eating and often I would have to stop for pain to ease. Eating normal and healthy foods had no effect. Anyway as from a few days ago I've started getting a similar pain while eating any food in reasonable portion. Basically occurs just after I've swallowed chewed food. I'm not sure it is something to do with MC or not, however it has made me dread meal times a bit because of it. I've also noticed an acid taste in mouth when I'm lying down which started at about same time. I would be grateful for anyone's thought about this. Jim
Pain when swallowing chewed food
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Well, in general, a pain in that area, especially if you can feel the pain all the way through to your back, is due to gallbladder disease. Usually though, the pain will start about 15 to 30 minutes after a fatty meal, and it will last for maybe 3 to 6 hours and then subside, as the food passes on down the GI tract.
Gallbladder issues are fairly common with MC, but they usually fade away as we get the inflammation under control. Some people have their gallbladder surgically removed, if the symptoms are severe. Without a gallbladder though, bile acid malabsorption is often a problem (at least initially), because without a gallbladder, bile dribbles into the duodenum continuously.
Tex
Gallbladder issues are fairly common with MC, but they usually fade away as we get the inflammation under control. Some people have their gallbladder surgically removed, if the symptoms are severe. Without a gallbladder though, bile acid malabsorption is often a problem (at least initially), because without a gallbladder, bile dribbles into the duodenum continuously.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Tex thanks for your reply. The pain is literally just as the food is passing the lower end of breast bone area ( roughly in the region where the lowest ribs meet the breast bone) and subsides within a minute or so after. My current diet contains little in the way of fat , any food in reasonable volume tends to cause the problem now.
Do you have any trouble swallowing, or does it ever feel as though food might be stuck in your esophagus? If so, based on the symptoms mentioned in your last post, the problem could be a hiatal hernia, except that the type of food (or fat) shouldn't make any difference to a hernia.
Tex
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hello Tex I don't think it feels like food is getting stuck, although I'm judging this by the fact I'm not choking, it used to be greasy food I.e burgers and the like that caused it, normal healthy foods were no trouble, however under my recent diet changes greasy foods are a thing of the past , however now even eating a slice of turkey breast will cause me trouble. It's strange that the pain of food going down is actually quite severe but will pass in a very short period of time, this is what made me eliminate acid reflux which usually happens after the event of eating not during
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Jim
weird sort of question, when you are about to eat, is your mouth dry? or do you have some saliva?
effective digestion starts BEFORE we eat, we have to look forward to the meal, so the body can produce the saliva and acids to digest the meal.
we need to be relaxed and chew the food. I understand with everything that has happened, and the bland eating plan that it may not be easy to 'look forward to meals'
Thats were soups and stews work well, as they are moist/gooey and settle well.
the meat is really tender and easier to swallow.
this is the mental and emotional side of MC, we have to be at peace with what is, positive thoughts about the eating plan and lifestyle changes we are doing.
weird sort of question, when you are about to eat, is your mouth dry? or do you have some saliva?
effective digestion starts BEFORE we eat, we have to look forward to the meal, so the body can produce the saliva and acids to digest the meal.
we need to be relaxed and chew the food. I understand with everything that has happened, and the bland eating plan that it may not be easy to 'look forward to meals'
Thats were soups and stews work well, as they are moist/gooey and settle well.
the meat is really tender and easier to swallow.
this is the mental and emotional side of MC, we have to be at peace with what is, positive thoughts about the eating plan and lifestyle changes we are doing.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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Hey Jim,
I have this pain when I initially take in any food or drink. It is a sensation right behind the breast plate. A little burny and goes away while I'm still eating the meal. It is worse in the morning on empty stomach. I chalk it up to yet another odd ache and pain of this disease. My own theory is that I do not make enough stomach acid to digest my food and when I "start" the process my body is eeeking out what little acid it can muster up. Thats my real scientific answer. Taking Betaine Hcl with pepsin has helped me greatly but ramped up my detox symptoms from my anti-anxiety med so I had to stop for awhile. I find juicing celery and drinking just plain fresh celery juice on an emty tummy before a meal has helped. It aids digestion and hydrochloric acid levels in stomach.
I have this pain when I initially take in any food or drink. It is a sensation right behind the breast plate. A little burny and goes away while I'm still eating the meal. It is worse in the morning on empty stomach. I chalk it up to yet another odd ache and pain of this disease. My own theory is that I do not make enough stomach acid to digest my food and when I "start" the process my body is eeeking out what little acid it can muster up. Thats my real scientific answer. Taking Betaine Hcl with pepsin has helped me greatly but ramped up my detox symptoms from my anti-anxiety med so I had to stop for awhile. I find juicing celery and drinking just plain fresh celery juice on an emty tummy before a meal has helped. It aids digestion and hydrochloric acid levels in stomach.
Vanessa
Another thought along this same line is that if the proper initial responses to food are not initiated (IOW, if adequate saliva is not produced), then adequate stomach acid will probably not be produced either, because these early responses to food work in tandem to properly prepare the digestive to digest food. If the first step fails, then there may be additional failures on down the line.
Tex
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi sorry I've been slow in answering the questions and to some respect I'm glad I didn't rush because I've been trying to observe what makes matters worse and what is better. Firstly Gabes you are right about the absence of looking forward to meals nowadays, although I didn't realise my gut was wise to what my eyes can see lol.
I've noticed that the pain is worse than usual if I'm eating something quickly, I've also noticed that if I over chew the food then there is little or no pain. I don't however think it's the over chewed food that is stopping the pain I think it is to do with the stomach etc having enough chance to create the fluids required for transit to the stomach etc. I've got no way of knowing this for sure I'm just going on suspicion
I've noticed that the pain is worse than usual if I'm eating something quickly, I've also noticed that if I over chew the food then there is little or no pain. I don't however think it's the over chewed food that is stopping the pain I think it is to do with the stomach etc having enough chance to create the fluids required for transit to the stomach etc. I've got no way of knowing this for sure I'm just going on suspicion
That's right in line with my response to your post about NERD in another thread. If you can produce sufficient gastric acid by eating more slowly, then it would be better to eat more slowly than to use Betaine HCL. Your digestive system just needs more response time.Jim wrote:I don't however think it's the over chewed food that is stopping the pain I think it is to do with the stomach etc having enough chance to create the fluids required for transit to the stomach etc. I've got no way of knowing this for sure I'm just going on suspicion
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.