Dental visit

Marcia K · Post by **Marcia K** » Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:56 pm

Good afternoon. I went to the dentist for a my 6 month cleaning/check-up this week. I haven't had an issue after having my teeth cleaned but this time I did. I woke up the next day with a headache and general feeling of tiredness. While she was cleaning my teeth I had some "pinging" on my left side. I'm guessing that the cleaning paste contained gluten so I'm wondering what you do when you go to the dentist. I think prior to my next appointment I will tell them that I need a gluten free paste and I'm hoping it's not an issue. I have been glutened twice since Thanksgiving and I'm wondering if that caused me to have more of a reaction now. I didn't like that my appointment was that close to Christmas just in case I had an issue...live and learn.

Post by **tex** » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:25 pm

Hi Marcia,

I'm sorry that you had a reaction to the cleaning, and also that the timing was so unfortunate. Apparently your dental hygienist (or your dentist) isn't aware of the risk involved with cleaning compounds. Or they may not even be aware that safe compounds are available. You should definitely make them aware of your needs before your next cleaning appointment, so that they can order a safe cleaning compound.

And it probably would be a good idea to remind them of your needs when you go for the appointment, or they may forget to check your records and make the same mistake again.

I believe you're correct that repeated exposures to gluten can lead to increasingly more serious reactions if the re-exposures occur before adequate healing can take place.

Tex

Marcia K · Post by **Marcia K** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:21 pm

Thanks Tex, that's what I'll do the next time. I did ask them to do panoramic x-ray (or whatever it's called) because it's been 5 years since I had one. She said they typically take them every 5-7 years but the insurance will pay every three. It sort of surprised me that they wait that long in-between. I went years without dental work other than cleanings and then right before my diagnosis I started to have issues which I'm guessing is related to the LC. I wanted to know that there isn't anything unseen going on with my teeth.

Post by **tex** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:10 pm

I had a similar experience with my teeth. Other than 3 or 4 minor fillings when I was in my teens and early 20s, my teeth were trouble-free until my mid-50s, when they suddenly swarmed on me. Soon after that, I began to have what I initially thought were relapses of the flu, or food poisoning on a regular basis. That went on for a year or so until one day the D started, and wouldn't stop.

Tex

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:16 pm

also the cleaning process can 'bring out' bacteria /fungus etc that can end up in our gut and cause irritation.

Similar to Tex, I had minor issues with teeth for most of my life, until i had chronic inflammation happening in my body. In the last 3 years I have had to have 6 molers removed. 2 of them in the past 2 months. I react badly to anesthetic (due to pyrrole issues and impact on my nervous system) and gut reacts to sulphides in anesthetic and the release of bacteria/fungus etc via the tooth being removed.

I always schedule any dental appointments on days when I can take it easy the next day. And if having anesthetic, it takes me 2-3 days minimum to recover..

Lilja · Post by **Lilja** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:27 am

Hi,

I'm going to make an appointment with my dentist tomorrow.

I was born 2 yrs after WW2, above the arctic circle, where they would send not the best dentists after the war, and I have a lot of fillings and some porcelaine teeth. I have replaced the amalgam over the years with more modern composite materials. I have only two amalgam fillings left.

However, I think my composite fillings from the 1990's are ready to be replaced. I can feel with my tounge that some of them are not right. I will also discuss a plan on how we replace the amalgam fillings over time.

Do you know what is the best and safest filling material available today?

Is there anything else I should be aware of as to dental work?

I appreciate all advice

Lilia

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:28 am

Lilja

I have had lots of experience with this..... And have done loads of research.

Long story short, there is no perfect option. All options shave their pro's and cons.
It also depends on the dentist, and your budget.

Composite materials do not last as long, crack easier, and have higher risk of bacteria staying in the tooth being worked on. They do look better, and are easier to remove when replacement is required.

Amalgam lasts longer, less risk of bacteria. It gets a bit of bad publicity for Mercury toxicity. I had 4 amalagum fillings, some for over 10 years. And never had high levels of mercury in hair mineral analysis. (And due to pyrrole, various deficiencies for many years have issues clearing heavy metals, so was surprised when my Mercury level was low.

A couple of years back, living in a different city, when I had really bad gastric reflux, an old school dentist would only treat me with Amalagum.

For many MC'ers... By this stage, the damage is done teeth wise, and there is limited options. (Not fun...). I wouldn't rush to replace the amalagum.... There are more likely issues in our day to day lives.

Be prepared, anesthesic has sulphides, and some of the products they use can have gluten /soy. If you have histamine reaction to sulphides, taking an anti-histamine before hand may reduce impact on your gut.
Anesthesic also interrupts methylation cycle, I also take extra B6, B12's before and after. And after wards make sure I have detoxing aids like Vit C, Magnesium, lots of water to flush the anesthesic out of my system.

Lilja · Post by **Lilja** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:34 am

Thank you, Gabes.

Seems that I have the choice between plague and cholera... I was high on mercury when I had a hair analysis back in 2013.

And at the same time, I suspect that you're right; composite materials have a tendency to crack and let bacteria percolate into the bloodstream. I think this happens so slowly, that you don't notice it and you get odd unexplainable pains - like back pains and head pains - and you don't see the connection. I have read some articles on back pains related to bacteria in the mouth, that give minor infections and cause trouble.

I will talk with my dentist and see what he suggests.

Lilia

jlbattin · Post by **jlbattin** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:33 pm

I also have lots of experience with this................

Several years ago, I ended up at a dentist that wanted to replace all my mercury fillings with composite material, and began to do so over time. I began to get sores in my mouth......so bad I couldn't eat...........I ended up at an endodontist and several root canals later, I finally was ok..............

Long story short, I was allergic to the composite material and it wreaked havoc in my mouth...........I had to have root canals to get the nerves settled down...........so, be very careful when you proceed..........it is a very minor few of us that are allergic to the composite, but I was one of them, and it was miserable for quite awhile before we figured it out...........I only do mercury now.............most of my old ones were replaced with a root canal and a crown so I don't have much mercury now, but it's an expensive route to take!

Good luck!

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:11 pm

Jari
the combo of the anesthetic, inflammation, stress on your body to have the root canals was potentially a key contributor to MC starting...

good luck Lilja... it sucks that it is trial and error in MC World and there is no ideal solution to these issues.

Lilja · Post by **Lilja** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:03 pm

Gabes-Apg wrote:Jari
the combo of the anesthetic, inflammation, stress on your body to have the root canals was potentially a key contributor to MC starting...

good luck Lilja... it sucks that it is trial and error in MC World and there is ideal solution to these issues.

I hope you meant "there is no... ideal solution" :-)

Wow, I would never had imagined that mercury filling would be an option to consider. I must have a serious talk to my dentist.

Lilia

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:33 pm

"there is no... ideal solution" :

Yes, that is what i meant...

Give me mercury filling in preference to root canal and crowns!

maybe ring ahead and ask what type of composite material they use - and then do a bit of research.

my other experience with the 3 dentists i have seen since having MC,
- none of them are aware of inactive ingredients like gluten, soy etc in their products ( this was very evident in what it took to look up the inactive ingredients of the anesthetic they use and the products they recommend for dry mouth are filled with MC triggers)
- they are skeptical that anesthetic and sulphides can have impact on my gut
- they can be a bit tunnel visioned, ie main focus is to fix the tooth, thinking about the impact to the rest of the body is not part of the decision.

Post by **tex** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:54 pm

Lilia,

Isn't there a good chance that the reason why your mercury test result was high is because people in your part of the world tend to eat more fish than most of us, and certain fish are known to have high mercury levels? IOW, the fillings in your teeth may not be having any significant effect on your mercury test level.

Tex

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:12 pm

Tex
agree - when I was doing the research on mercury in fillings, there was many other items that cause high mercury.

and keeping in mind that things like magnesium deficiency would have inhibited the body's natural ability to clear excess mercury.

Lilja · Post by **Lilja** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:28 pm

tex wrote:Lilia,

Isn't there a good chance that the reason why your mercury test result was high is because people in your part of the world tend to eat more fish than most of us, and certain fish are known to have high mercury levels? IOW, the fillings in your teeth may not be having any significant effect on your mercury test level.

Tex

I have never investigated if our seas in Northern Norway in the years 1940-1966 when I grew up had high mercury levels. The only industry along the coast in northern Norway was the fish industry, as it had been for 200 years. But, I know that after WW2 our coast was filled with German wrecked war ships. Maybe they leaked out chemicals? Yes, I know they did, but we didn't have the money to clean the coast at that time.

Sorry, I didn't mean to be political, just got carried away here . But,... I think young people need to know about our common history.

Lilia