USDA Is Slowly Learning About The Care And Feeding Of Humans

Feel free to discuss any topic of general interest, so long as nothing you post here is likely to be interpreted as insulting, and/or inflammatory, nor clearly designed to provoke any individual or group. Please be considerate of others feelings, and they will be considerate of yours.

Moderators: Rosie, Stanz, Jean, CAMary, moremuscle, JFR, Dee, xet, Peggy, Matthew, Gabes-Apg, grannyh, Gloria, Mars, starfire, Polly, Joefnh

User avatar
tex
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 35070
Joined: Tue May 24, 2005 9:00 am
Location: Central Texas

USDA Is Slowly Learning About The Care And Feeding Of Humans

Post by tex »

Hi All,

When you're a big, multi-billion dollar government agency you can't just come right out and admit that your advice has been completely wrong for decades, or the public might realize that you actually don't have the foggiest idea what you're doing. So for the past decade, their advice has been ever so slowly but surely shifting away from the mistaken beliefs of the past. Every revision of the recommendations appears to be a bit more realistic. Eventually they will come around to the same positions that we have held for a long time, and maybe the health of the general public will begin to increase, for a change.

The newest guidelines no longer put a top limit on fat intake. And they finally realized (for the first time) that sugar may not be the best thing that we can eat. And they finally officially admit that eggs are a healthy source of protein, after all. Imagine that? Humans and their ancestors have only been eating fat and eggs for a couple of million years, so far.

Here are the new guidelines at health.gov. Incidentally, that term (health.gov) would be the mother of all oxymorons except that in order to officially be an oxymoron, a combination of an adjective and a noun are required, and health.gov is of course composed of 2 nouns, so I reckon it isn't eligible for that distinguished honor. :lol:

Dietary Guidelines

Here is Medscape's take on it:

New Dietary Guidelines: Less Sugar, Salt; Coffee OK
“By focusing on small shifts in what we eat and drink, eating healthy becomes more manageable,” Sylvia Burwell, secretary of Health and Human Services, says in a statement.
Yeah, you sure wouldn't want to start eating a healthy diet all at once. :roll: Let's drag it out for another 10 or 12 years so that no one becomes too healthy too soon. :lol: After all, dragging things out is 1 thing at which the government excels. :thumbsup:

Tex
:cowboy:

It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
User avatar
Gabes-Apg
Emperor Penguin
Emperor Penguin
Posts: 8332
Joined: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:12 pm
Location: Hunter Valley NSW Australia

Post by Gabes-Apg »

Yeah, you sure wouldn't want to start eating a healthy diet all at once. Rolling Eyes Let's drag it out for another 10 or 12 years so that no one becomes too healthy too soon. Laughing After all, dragging things out is 1 thing at which the government excels.


if the population gets healthier, what will big pharma do for profits??
Gabes Ryan

"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Blueberry
Gentoo Penguin
Gentoo Penguin
Posts: 360
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:15 pm

Post by Blueberry »

That looks to be a step in the right direction. Good health is an individual thing, and believe a healthy diet can be more complicated than that, but overall good evolving change to see.
User avatar
Gabes-Apg
Emperor Penguin
Emperor Penguin
Posts: 8332
Joined: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:12 pm
Location: Hunter Valley NSW Australia

Post by Gabes-Apg »

although - with the encouragement of increased soy, this will increase thyroid issues...
Gabes Ryan

"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
User avatar
JFR
Rockhopper Penguin
Rockhopper Penguin
Posts: 1394
Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:41 am

Post by JFR »

I'm neither impressed or encouraged. Actually I think the government does such a bad job of telling people what to eat that I think they should just do away with the dietary guidelines entirely.

Jean
User avatar
tex
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 35070
Joined: Tue May 24, 2005 9:00 am
Location: Central Texas

Post by tex »

:iagree: I certainly wouldn't argue against that suggestion. Health almost always takes a back seat to politics in their recommendations.

Tex
:cowboy:

It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
HappyBird
Gentoo Penguin
Gentoo Penguin
Posts: 305
Joined: Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:22 pm

Post by HappyBird »

The companies skimming profits off ill-health won't be in a hurry for a healthier nation and those taking kick-backs to slow down policy will be aiding and abetting the process.

Where there is big money there is also the potential for big corruption - that's how it seems to work. Its not the governments themselves but those working behind the scences who have the biggest impact and where corruption creeps in with nepotism and worse. The real culprits - senior and middle management civil servants!
Psoriatic Arthritis
Hypertension
Hashimoto Thyroiditis
Allergies
Severe Atopic Reactions
HIT
Elimination Diet Start : 1/9/15
Chemgirl
Adélie Penguin
Adélie Penguin
Posts: 114
Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:46 pm
Location: Canada

Post by Chemgirl »

I find it sad how many people will find this to be a revelation.

I was looking around at what people were eating today and lunch and it is scary. Most of the women in the office are on a diet of some sort so lunches ranged from a salad with absolutely nothing but raw vegetables, lean cuisine microwave meals, and "low-fat" lasagna.

I was eating a piece of fish, some roasted squash, and green beans. I get comments of the "How do you stay so thin eating like that?". Um what on earth? Because it's healthy and I burn it off throughout my day. Nothing will make lasagna a diet food, sorry. Not to mention the amount of salt in that prepackaged "low fat" food is terrifying.

The article I read about the new guidelines had the line "research has shown that a diet heavy in vegetables leads to weight loss". We needed research to show us that?

You know there will be loads of people fighting these new guidelines in the media.

Sigh.
Lilja
Rockhopper Penguin
Rockhopper Penguin
Posts: 921
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:19 am
Location: Oslo

Post by Lilja »

Microwave meals...

I thought that every enlightened individual knew that putting food in microwave ovens is equal to depleting every little bit of nutrition in food.

Or, is this a myth?

I got rid of my microwave oven 20 years ago.

Lilia
Collagenous Colitis diagnosis in 2010
Psoriasis in 1973, symptom free in 2014
GF, CF and SF free since April, 2013
Chemgirl
Adélie Penguin
Adélie Penguin
Posts: 114
Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:46 pm
Location: Canada

Post by Chemgirl »

Lilja wrote:Microwave meals...

I thought that every enlightened individual knew that putting food in microwave ovens is equal to depleting every little bit of nutrition in food.

Or, is this a myth?

I got rid of my microwave oven 20 years ago.

Lilia
I don't know about depleting nutrition, but living off of prepackaged, microwaveable food is definitely not healthy nomatter what marketing people want us to think.

Girl who eats the diet cans of soup or Lean Cuisine every day was just denied life insurance because her HDL is extremely low. The drama in the office this morning was "How can this be? You're eating so healthy."

I'm so glad that having MC has opened my eyes to proper eating and nutrition. Not that I'm happy to have a disease, but everyone out there eating garbage is going to be worse off in the long run.
Blueberry
Gentoo Penguin
Gentoo Penguin
Posts: 360
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:15 pm

Post by Blueberry »

Chemgirl wrote:
Lilja wrote:Microwave meals...

I thought that every enlightened individual knew that putting food in microwave ovens is equal to depleting every little bit of nutrition in food.

Or, is this a myth?

I got rid of my microwave oven 20 years ago.

Lilia
I don't know about depleting nutrition, but living off of prepackaged, microwaveable food is definitely not healthy nomatter what marketing people want us to think.

Girl who eats the diet cans of soup or Lean Cuisine every day was just denied life insurance because her HDL is extremely low. The drama in the office this morning was "How can this be? You're eating so healthy."

I'm so glad that having MC has opened my eyes to proper eating and nutrition. Not that I'm happy to have a disease, but everyone out there eating garbage is going to be worse off in the long run.
Oh my gosh! That is crazy, to be turned down for insurance over a cholesterol test. It's a theory, a poor one at that I believe for heart disease. Oh well. You might mention to your co-worker that vitamin D3 and sun exposure, something at a premium being winter time, can raise HDL levels significantly. At least that is what a cardiologist I follow found out when he asked his patients to begin taking vitamin d3, aiming for a testing level between 50 to70ng/ml.

From personal experience D3 did raise my HDL greatly at one point. I had low HDL and it, vitamin D3, more than doubled my level. Then my HDL dropped after the gut got cranky. I blame that drop on my weight loss at the time. Weight loss can play havoc on HDL levels I've read causing them to drop significantly. (I stopped testing my cholesterol level after loosing faith in its value as a predictive test so don't know my HDL at the moment.)

The cardiologist that I follow wrote this about ways to raise HDL, with mention on vitamin D3.

"Blow your HDL through the roof"

http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2015/06/b ... -the-roof/

Microwave junk food is bad too! It wouldn't be helping her situation.
User avatar
DebE13
Rockhopper Penguin
Rockhopper Penguin
Posts: 1657
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:32 am
Location: Wisconsin

Post by DebE13 »

Part of my job is to pull inventory to ship to the kitchens throughout our school district's kitchens and I am appalled at what we feed our children under government guidelines. I don't believe there is one variety of meat I could safely eat that comes from our freezer. The amount of wheat and soy in all the meats is surprising. Well, none of us would be.... But there really is no good reason why meat just can't be meat. Plain and simple, there is just simply a lot of crap sitting on the shelves. Sadly, a good portion of the foods just cycle into the garbage cans anyway.

On the up side, it has been glorious chatting with the people in the office who actually know about food intolerances. I find myself to be a unique specimen in their company. :lol: They find my situation interesting and we have a good exchange of information.
Deb

"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson

2007 CC
2013 thyroid cancer- total thyroidectomy
2013 Hashimoto's - numbers always "normal"
2017 Lyme's Disease
crervin
Rockhopper Penguin
Rockhopper Penguin
Posts: 751
Joined: Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:52 pm
Location: Chattanooga, TN

Post by crervin »

Deb, it is very appalling at what is served at schools! Needless to say, I pack my children's lunch everyday. One of my kids can even eat free at his school due to the majority are "low income".......I don't care if it's free, he's not eating it!!

So sad, and for a lot of children, that's their only meal for that day.
Martha E.

Philippians 4:13

Jul 2008 took Clindamycin for a Sinus infection that forever changed my life
Dec 2014 MC Dx
Jul 15, 2015 Elimination Diet
Aug 17, 2015 Enterolab Test
Dec 2015 Reflux
Sept 2016 IC
User avatar
DebE13
Rockhopper Penguin
Rockhopper Penguin
Posts: 1657
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:32 am
Location: Wisconsin

Post by DebE13 »

I remember in grade school, all our lunches were made from scratch. Some of my best school memories are in the lunchroom! There were no prepackaged meals or meals warmed in plastic bags. Times sure have changed.
Deb

"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson

2007 CC
2013 thyroid cancer- total thyroidectomy
2013 Hashimoto's - numbers always "normal"
2017 Lyme's Disease
crervin
Rockhopper Penguin
Rockhopper Penguin
Posts: 751
Joined: Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:52 pm
Location: Chattanooga, TN

Post by crervin »

Yes me too Deb and my husband said his best food was at school. They had made from scratch biscuits and yeast rolls at his.

Now they have chicken nuggets nooked in a plastic bag in a microwave....yuck!
Martha E.

Philippians 4:13

Jul 2008 took Clindamycin for a Sinus infection that forever changed my life
Dec 2014 MC Dx
Jul 15, 2015 Elimination Diet
Aug 17, 2015 Enterolab Test
Dec 2015 Reflux
Sept 2016 IC
Post Reply

Return to “Main Message Board”