So glad to have found you all and the website! Diagnosis 10/14 MC, mild manageable symptoms until 11/15. One month on NSAI left me with WD often.
The EnteroLab results indicate a reaction to gluten, dairy,soy, chicken/egg, oat, tuna, almond, corn, rice, pork, walnut, cashew, beef and white potato, everything tested.
Basically 80% of my diet. Has anyone else had this kind of results? Everything tested was reacted to? And did you eliminate them all from your diet? Did that eliminate
symptoms?
Help! Just got EnteroLab results and I'm confused
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christinafriberg
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Hi Christina,
Welcome to our Internet family. Yes, many of us have many food sensitivities, but we learn to work around them and develop a safe diet that will allow us to recover. You may or may not have to avoid all those foods, depending on certain scores.
As Brenda suggested, can you copy and paste your actual results in a post? That would make it much easier to offer worthwhile suggestions.
Tex
Welcome to our Internet family. Yes, many of us have many food sensitivities, but we learn to work around them and develop a safe diet that will allow us to recover. You may or may not have to avoid all those foods, depending on certain scores.
As Brenda suggested, can you copy and paste your actual results in a post? That would make it much easier to offer worthwhile suggestions.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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christinafriberg
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Cut and paste of my Enterlab results. Help appreciated!
EnteroLab www.enterolab.com
Specialized Laboratory Analysis for Optimum Intestinal and Overall Health
Kenneth D. Fine, M.D.
Medical Director
13657 Jupiter Road, Suite 106 Dallas, Texas 75238
Laboratory Report
Date: 1/10/2016
Name: XXXXXXX, Christina
DOB: X/1/1947
Comprehensive Gluten/Antigenic Food Sensitivity Stool Panel
Fecal Anti-gliadin IgA 62 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-casein (cow’s milk) IgA 45 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA 27 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-soy IgA 38 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Mean Value 11 Antigenic Foods 41 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
While all of the foods tested can be immune-stimulating, the hierarchy of reactions detected were as follows:
Food to which there was no significant immunological reactivity: Food to which there was some immunological reactivity (1+): Food to which there was moderate immunological reactivity (2+): Food to which there was significant and/or the most immunological reactivity (3+):
None Beef
White potato
Corn
Rice
Chicken
Pork
Walnut
Cashew
Oat
Tuna
Almond
Within each class of foods to which you displayed multiple reactions, the hierarchy of those reactions detected were as follows:
Grains:
Grain toward which you displayed the most immunologic reactivity: Oat
Grain toward which you displayed intermediate immunologic reactivity: Corn
Grain toward which you displayed the least immunologic reactivity: Rice
Meats:
Meat toward which you displayed the most immunologic reactivity: Tuna
Meat toward which you were next most immunologically reactive: Chicken
Meat toward which you displayed intermediate immunologic reactivity: Pork
Meat toward which you displayed the least immunologic reactivity: Beef
Nuts:
Nut toward which you displayed the most immunologic reactivity: Almond
Nut toward which you displayed intermediate immunologic reactivity: Walnut
Nut toward which you displayed the least immunologic reactivity: Cashew
Nightshades:
You displayed immunologic reactivity to white potato, the member of the nightshade family usually consumed most often and in greatest quantities. While this does not necessarily mean you would react to all other nightshade foods (tomatoes, peppers, eggplant), it is possible. In the realm of elimination diets for immunologic disorders, nightshades are usually eliminated as the entire food class (i.e., all four previously mentioned foods in this class). This is especially important to the clinical setting of arthritis.
TEST INTERPRETATION(S):
Interpretation of Fecal Anti-gliadin IgA: The level of intestinal anti-gliadin IgA antibody was elevated, indicative of active dietary gluten sensitivity. For optimal health; resolution or improvement of gluten-induced syndromes (mainly falling into six categories abbreviated as NAAAGS – neuropsychiatric, autoimmune, asthma, abdominal, glandular deficiencies/hyperactivity or skin diseases); resolution of symptoms known to be associated with gluten sensitivity (such as abdominal symptoms - pain, cramping, bloating, gas, diarrhea and/or constipation, chronic headaches, chronic sinus congestion, depression, arthritis, chronic skin problems/rashes, fibromyalgia, and/or chronic fatigue); and prevention of small intestinal damage and malnutrition, osteoporosis, and damage to other tissues (like nerves, brain, joints, muscles, thyroid, pancreas, other glands, skin, liver, spleen, among others), it is recommended that you follow a strict and permanent gluten free diet. As gluten sensitivity is a genetic syndrome, you may want to have your relatives screened as well.
For additional information on result interpretation, as well as educational information on the subject of gluten sensitivity, please see the "FAQ Result Interpretation," "FAQ Gluten/Food Sensitivity," and "Research & Education" links on our EnteroLab.com website.
Interpretation of Fecal Anti-casein (cow’s milk) IgA: Levels of fecal IgA antibody to food antigens greater than or equal to 10 Units are indicative of an immune reaction, and hence immunologic “sensitivity” to that food. It is recommended that for any elevated fecal antibody level to a highly antigenic food such as milk, that it be removed from your diet.
Interpretation of Fecal Anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA: Levels of fecal IgA antibody to food antigens greater than or equal to 10 Units are indicative of an immune reaction, and hence immunologic “sensitivity” to that food. It is recommended that for any elevated fecal antibody level to a highly antigenic food such as egg, that it be removed from your diet.
Interpretation of Fecal Anti-soy IgA: Levels of fecal IgA antibody to food antigens greater than or equal to 10 Units are indicative of an immune reaction, and hence immunologic “sensitivity” to that food. It is recommended that for any elevated fecal antibody level to a highly antigenic food such as soy, that it be removed from your diet.
Interpretation of Mean Value 11 Antigenic Foods: With respect to the mean value of the 11 foods tested, overall, there was only a modest amount of immunological reactivity detected to these antigenic foods in terms of fecal IgA production.
Many foods besides gluten, milk, egg, and soy are antigenic in their own right; the main classes of which include other grains, meats, nuts, and nightshades (potatoes being the primary food eaten from this latter class). Minimizing exposure to antigenic foods is an important component of an anti-inflammatory lifestyle to optimize immune system health. This is especially important for those with chronic abdominal symptoms and/or chronic immune/autoimmune syndromes, or for those who want to prevent them.
For immunologic food sensitivity testing, the actual numeric value (in Units) for any given food or for the overall average of a group of foods is important mainly for determining: 1) if the immune reaction is present or absent, and 2) the immune reaction in relative terms to different foods tested in a given individual at a given point in time. It is not a score, per se, to be interpreted as a measure of clinical or immunological severity for that individual or between individuals. This is because the amount of IgA antibody made by a given person is particular for the immune function of that person. Furthermore, sometimes a person can display what can be viewed as immunological and nutritional “exhaustion,” whereby a more significant and symptomatic immunologic food sensitivity is accompanied by a lower positive measured anti-food antibody value (rather than a higher positive). In such an instance, following clinical improvement and improved nutritional status (while the suspect antigenic foods are withdrawn), values can actually be higher for a time before finally falling into the negative range after several years.
Thus, the overall average food sensitivity antibody value for this panel is an assessment of your overall humoral immunologic food reactivity, which can help determine if dietary elimination trials may help you. If the mean value is less than 10 Units, the humoral immune reactions can be considered clinically insignificant (negative); if greater than or equal to 10 Units, they can be considered clinically significant (positive). Rather than reporting the absolute value of a positive result for each individual food, since it cannot be considered as an assessment of severity, the results are reported in semi-quantitative terms between the foods tested (1+, 2+, or 3+). This provides you with the knowledge of which foods are stimulating the most immune response which, in turn, is indeed the most practically applied information to dietary elimination trials.
Dietary Recommendation Based on Test Results to Individual Foods:
This test panel was designed to guide your choices when building a new more healthful, less antigenic dietary plan. The results are delivered in such a way that you are not left with “nothing to eat,” but instead they should guide you in avoiding the foods to which the highest or most immunologic reaction was detected (and hence, are most stimulating to your immune system). We discourage dietary changes that involve removing too many foods at once. This can lead you to feel too hungry too often, especially if adequate healthful replacement foods are not readily available. Dietary elimination (beyond gluten-free, dairy-free, and soy-free) is best approached over a period of weeks to months and sometimes years, removing one or two additional foods at a time, rather than removing many foods at once.
If you reacted to more than one of the grains, meats, or nuts, we recommend that you first eliminate from your diet the one food from that class you reacted to most strongly, while keeping in your diet the ones you reacted to less strongly. When you want to try and eliminate additional foods, do so in the order of the strength of reaction from highest, intermediate, to least. In the case of potato, you may want to eliminate it if you reacted positively to it.
If you have an autoimmune or chronic inflammatory syndrome, or just want to pursue an optimally healthy diet and lifestyle, avoiding all grains, meats, and nightshades can optimize an anti-inflammatory diet (despite a negative result on food testing). As nuts and seeds are a very healthful source of vegetarian protein and heart-protective oils and minerals, rather than avoiding all nuts and seeds, you can render nuts and seeds less antigenic, more digestible, and more easily tolerated by choosing the few that you seem to best tolerate overall, soaking a one-day supply in a glass jar filled with clean water for 4-8 hours (or for ease, overnight), and pouring off the water and rinsing before eating. The resultant soaked nuts or seeds can be eaten as is (alone or with fresh or dried fruit), blended into nut butters (by adding some water), or added to “smoothies.”
Specialized Laboratory Analysis for Optimum Intestinal and Overall Health
Kenneth D. Fine, M.D.
Medical Director
13657 Jupiter Road, Suite 106 Dallas, Texas 75238
Laboratory Report
Date: 1/10/2016
Name: XXXXXXX, Christina
DOB: X/1/1947
Comprehensive Gluten/Antigenic Food Sensitivity Stool Panel
Fecal Anti-gliadin IgA 62 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-casein (cow’s milk) IgA 45 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA 27 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-soy IgA 38 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Mean Value 11 Antigenic Foods 41 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
While all of the foods tested can be immune-stimulating, the hierarchy of reactions detected were as follows:
Food to which there was no significant immunological reactivity: Food to which there was some immunological reactivity (1+): Food to which there was moderate immunological reactivity (2+): Food to which there was significant and/or the most immunological reactivity (3+):
None Beef
White potato
Corn
Rice
Chicken
Pork
Walnut
Cashew
Oat
Tuna
Almond
Within each class of foods to which you displayed multiple reactions, the hierarchy of those reactions detected were as follows:
Grains:
Grain toward which you displayed the most immunologic reactivity: Oat
Grain toward which you displayed intermediate immunologic reactivity: Corn
Grain toward which you displayed the least immunologic reactivity: Rice
Meats:
Meat toward which you displayed the most immunologic reactivity: Tuna
Meat toward which you were next most immunologically reactive: Chicken
Meat toward which you displayed intermediate immunologic reactivity: Pork
Meat toward which you displayed the least immunologic reactivity: Beef
Nuts:
Nut toward which you displayed the most immunologic reactivity: Almond
Nut toward which you displayed intermediate immunologic reactivity: Walnut
Nut toward which you displayed the least immunologic reactivity: Cashew
Nightshades:
You displayed immunologic reactivity to white potato, the member of the nightshade family usually consumed most often and in greatest quantities. While this does not necessarily mean you would react to all other nightshade foods (tomatoes, peppers, eggplant), it is possible. In the realm of elimination diets for immunologic disorders, nightshades are usually eliminated as the entire food class (i.e., all four previously mentioned foods in this class). This is especially important to the clinical setting of arthritis.
TEST INTERPRETATION(S):
Interpretation of Fecal Anti-gliadin IgA: The level of intestinal anti-gliadin IgA antibody was elevated, indicative of active dietary gluten sensitivity. For optimal health; resolution or improvement of gluten-induced syndromes (mainly falling into six categories abbreviated as NAAAGS – neuropsychiatric, autoimmune, asthma, abdominal, glandular deficiencies/hyperactivity or skin diseases); resolution of symptoms known to be associated with gluten sensitivity (such as abdominal symptoms - pain, cramping, bloating, gas, diarrhea and/or constipation, chronic headaches, chronic sinus congestion, depression, arthritis, chronic skin problems/rashes, fibromyalgia, and/or chronic fatigue); and prevention of small intestinal damage and malnutrition, osteoporosis, and damage to other tissues (like nerves, brain, joints, muscles, thyroid, pancreas, other glands, skin, liver, spleen, among others), it is recommended that you follow a strict and permanent gluten free diet. As gluten sensitivity is a genetic syndrome, you may want to have your relatives screened as well.
For additional information on result interpretation, as well as educational information on the subject of gluten sensitivity, please see the "FAQ Result Interpretation," "FAQ Gluten/Food Sensitivity," and "Research & Education" links on our EnteroLab.com website.
Interpretation of Fecal Anti-casein (cow’s milk) IgA: Levels of fecal IgA antibody to food antigens greater than or equal to 10 Units are indicative of an immune reaction, and hence immunologic “sensitivity” to that food. It is recommended that for any elevated fecal antibody level to a highly antigenic food such as milk, that it be removed from your diet.
Interpretation of Fecal Anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA: Levels of fecal IgA antibody to food antigens greater than or equal to 10 Units are indicative of an immune reaction, and hence immunologic “sensitivity” to that food. It is recommended that for any elevated fecal antibody level to a highly antigenic food such as egg, that it be removed from your diet.
Interpretation of Fecal Anti-soy IgA: Levels of fecal IgA antibody to food antigens greater than or equal to 10 Units are indicative of an immune reaction, and hence immunologic “sensitivity” to that food. It is recommended that for any elevated fecal antibody level to a highly antigenic food such as soy, that it be removed from your diet.
Interpretation of Mean Value 11 Antigenic Foods: With respect to the mean value of the 11 foods tested, overall, there was only a modest amount of immunological reactivity detected to these antigenic foods in terms of fecal IgA production.
Many foods besides gluten, milk, egg, and soy are antigenic in their own right; the main classes of which include other grains, meats, nuts, and nightshades (potatoes being the primary food eaten from this latter class). Minimizing exposure to antigenic foods is an important component of an anti-inflammatory lifestyle to optimize immune system health. This is especially important for those with chronic abdominal symptoms and/or chronic immune/autoimmune syndromes, or for those who want to prevent them.
For immunologic food sensitivity testing, the actual numeric value (in Units) for any given food or for the overall average of a group of foods is important mainly for determining: 1) if the immune reaction is present or absent, and 2) the immune reaction in relative terms to different foods tested in a given individual at a given point in time. It is not a score, per se, to be interpreted as a measure of clinical or immunological severity for that individual or between individuals. This is because the amount of IgA antibody made by a given person is particular for the immune function of that person. Furthermore, sometimes a person can display what can be viewed as immunological and nutritional “exhaustion,” whereby a more significant and symptomatic immunologic food sensitivity is accompanied by a lower positive measured anti-food antibody value (rather than a higher positive). In such an instance, following clinical improvement and improved nutritional status (while the suspect antigenic foods are withdrawn), values can actually be higher for a time before finally falling into the negative range after several years.
Thus, the overall average food sensitivity antibody value for this panel is an assessment of your overall humoral immunologic food reactivity, which can help determine if dietary elimination trials may help you. If the mean value is less than 10 Units, the humoral immune reactions can be considered clinically insignificant (negative); if greater than or equal to 10 Units, they can be considered clinically significant (positive). Rather than reporting the absolute value of a positive result for each individual food, since it cannot be considered as an assessment of severity, the results are reported in semi-quantitative terms between the foods tested (1+, 2+, or 3+). This provides you with the knowledge of which foods are stimulating the most immune response which, in turn, is indeed the most practically applied information to dietary elimination trials.
Dietary Recommendation Based on Test Results to Individual Foods:
This test panel was designed to guide your choices when building a new more healthful, less antigenic dietary plan. The results are delivered in such a way that you are not left with “nothing to eat,” but instead they should guide you in avoiding the foods to which the highest or most immunologic reaction was detected (and hence, are most stimulating to your immune system). We discourage dietary changes that involve removing too many foods at once. This can lead you to feel too hungry too often, especially if adequate healthful replacement foods are not readily available. Dietary elimination (beyond gluten-free, dairy-free, and soy-free) is best approached over a period of weeks to months and sometimes years, removing one or two additional foods at a time, rather than removing many foods at once.
If you reacted to more than one of the grains, meats, or nuts, we recommend that you first eliminate from your diet the one food from that class you reacted to most strongly, while keeping in your diet the ones you reacted to less strongly. When you want to try and eliminate additional foods, do so in the order of the strength of reaction from highest, intermediate, to least. In the case of potato, you may want to eliminate it if you reacted positively to it.
If you have an autoimmune or chronic inflammatory syndrome, or just want to pursue an optimally healthy diet and lifestyle, avoiding all grains, meats, and nightshades can optimize an anti-inflammatory diet (despite a negative result on food testing). As nuts and seeds are a very healthful source of vegetarian protein and heart-protective oils and minerals, rather than avoiding all nuts and seeds, you can render nuts and seeds less antigenic, more digestible, and more easily tolerated by choosing the few that you seem to best tolerate overall, soaking a one-day supply in a glass jar filled with clean water for 4-8 hours (or for ease, overnight), and pouring off the water and rinsing before eating. The resultant soaked nuts or seeds can be eaten as is (alone or with fresh or dried fruit), blended into nut butters (by adding some water), or added to “smoothies.”
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Gabes-Apg
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There are many here with similar results, it may seem overwhelming at first, there are many solutions for the eating plan
first step is to remove any gluten, dairy, soy and egg from your life...
this includes supplements, lipsticks/lipbalms, minimising contact with soy on your skin (any cream with Vit E in it)
given your high reaction to Oat, i would also double check any bathroom products/shampoos etc for wheat and oat
food wise there are still plenty of safe proteins and safe vegetables that will work for your eating plan
Once you remove all the major triggers from your eating plan and your surrounds, I would say based on the discussions shared here, that for over 70% of people that totally remove the major and medium triggers there is vast improvement in their symptoms. And in the right circumstances (good healing, no other major health issues, no major nutritional deficiencies etc) once there has been good healing they could add in the foods that they mildly reacted to (as sometimes foods)
When I say totally remove, this means they have minimal contamination risk and they have made lifestyle changes that minimise stress and minimise histamine issues etc.
hope this helps
first step is to remove any gluten, dairy, soy and egg from your life...
this includes supplements, lipsticks/lipbalms, minimising contact with soy on your skin (any cream with Vit E in it)
given your high reaction to Oat, i would also double check any bathroom products/shampoos etc for wheat and oat
food wise there are still plenty of safe proteins and safe vegetables that will work for your eating plan
yes, there are many that have these kind of results (they are all posted here: http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=56Has anyone else had this kind of results? Everything tested was reacted to? And did you eliminate them all from your diet? Did that eliminate symptoms?
Once you remove all the major triggers from your eating plan and your surrounds, I would say based on the discussions shared here, that for over 70% of people that totally remove the major and medium triggers there is vast improvement in their symptoms. And in the right circumstances (good healing, no other major health issues, no major nutritional deficiencies etc) once there has been good healing they could add in the foods that they mildly reacted to (as sometimes foods)
When I say totally remove, this means they have minimal contamination risk and they have made lifestyle changes that minimise stress and minimise histamine issues etc.
hope this helps
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Christina,
Unfortunately your score on the 11 other antigenic foods was rather high (41), so you will surely have to avoid all foods in the 3+ and 2+ categories, and you will probably have to avoid virtually all of the foods in the 1+ category as well. Your listing didn't collate them properly, so I don't know which foods were classified in each of those 3 categories, respectively. In order to have the best chance of recovering in a relatively short length of time, it would be best to avoid all 11 of those foods when selecting your recovery diet. After you have been in remission for a while, you can test each one of the foods back into your diet (1 at a time), starting with the 1+ category to see if you can tolerate any of them after your digestive system has done some significant healing. But in all honesty, with an overall test result of 41, you may not be able to add any of them back into your diet unless your intestines heal exceptionally well.
To help you get started selecting foods for your recovery diet, unless you have already done so, if you will go to the download page at the following link and download "Diet Guidelines" from the Microscopic Colitis Foundation website, you can open those guidelines and either save them to your computer or open them with Adobe Reader, and then print them out to make the information easier to use.
http://www.microscopiccolitisfoundation ... loads.html
You can find foods on that list that should be safe for anyone here in order to minimize the chances of accidentally selecting a food for your recovery diet that you react to. And with that list as a starting point, it should be much easier for you to get started, and easier to pinpoint questions about foods that you may want to ask here. There are plenty of good sources of protein on that list, but selecting carbs will be more of a problem if you reacted to all of the grains in the test. We will probably need to discuss your carb options further (depending on your test results for the grains and potatoes).
Tex
Unfortunately your score on the 11 other antigenic foods was rather high (41), so you will surely have to avoid all foods in the 3+ and 2+ categories, and you will probably have to avoid virtually all of the foods in the 1+ category as well. Your listing didn't collate them properly, so I don't know which foods were classified in each of those 3 categories, respectively. In order to have the best chance of recovering in a relatively short length of time, it would be best to avoid all 11 of those foods when selecting your recovery diet. After you have been in remission for a while, you can test each one of the foods back into your diet (1 at a time), starting with the 1+ category to see if you can tolerate any of them after your digestive system has done some significant healing. But in all honesty, with an overall test result of 41, you may not be able to add any of them back into your diet unless your intestines heal exceptionally well.
To help you get started selecting foods for your recovery diet, unless you have already done so, if you will go to the download page at the following link and download "Diet Guidelines" from the Microscopic Colitis Foundation website, you can open those guidelines and either save them to your computer or open them with Adobe Reader, and then print them out to make the information easier to use.
http://www.microscopiccolitisfoundation ... loads.html
You can find foods on that list that should be safe for anyone here in order to minimize the chances of accidentally selecting a food for your recovery diet that you react to. And with that list as a starting point, it should be much easier for you to get started, and easier to pinpoint questions about foods that you may want to ask here. There are plenty of good sources of protein on that list, but selecting carbs will be more of a problem if you reacted to all of the grains in the test. We will probably need to discuss your carb options further (depending on your test results for the grains and potatoes).
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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christinafriberg
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Thanks! Is a +2 or +3 considered a medium trigger or major?
One more question regarding minimizing histamine issues. Do you mean eliminating all foods with high levels of histamines? Or taking anti-histamines?
I've read on another website that H1 and H2 anti-histamines can cause flare up?
And thanks again!!
One more question regarding minimizing histamine issues. Do you mean eliminating all foods with high levels of histamines? Or taking anti-histamines?
I've read on another website that H1 and H2 anti-histamines can cause flare up?
And thanks again!!
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Gabes-Apg
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minimising histamine issues is not just food related, external /environmental histamine triggers make food reactions worse.
So that is things like pollen, dust mites, grass/crop dust, chemicals, pollution, mold to name a few.
if you are having histamine issues then taking anti-histamines can help. again these things, like many things in MC world are very individual.
what works for one, may not work for another.
and what anti-histamine works best is a bit individual
in saying that avoiding high histamine foods as much as possible is beneficial.
- cooking fresh or from frozen
- dont have overripe bananas or too many banana's
- be cautious of having chocolate, avocado etc
- given your inflammation level, i would strongly suggest avoiding alcohol, but if minimising histamine, avoid wine
most other high histamine foods are nut and soy based which based on your results you should be avoiding anyway.
So that is things like pollen, dust mites, grass/crop dust, chemicals, pollution, mold to name a few.
if you are having histamine issues then taking anti-histamines can help. again these things, like many things in MC world are very individual.
what works for one, may not work for another.
and what anti-histamine works best is a bit individual
in saying that avoiding high histamine foods as much as possible is beneficial.
- cooking fresh or from frozen
- dont have overripe bananas or too many banana's
- be cautious of having chocolate, avocado etc
- given your inflammation level, i would strongly suggest avoiding alcohol, but if minimising histamine, avoid wine
most other high histamine foods are nut and soy based which based on your results you should be avoiding anyway.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
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christinafriberg
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That depends on the overall score for those 11 foods. With a score of 41, IMO foods in both categories would probably be major problems. 1+ category foods would likely be medium triggers.Christina wrote:Thanks! Is a +2 or +3 considered a medium trigger or major?
To add to what Gabes said about histamine:
Histamine is released by mast cells and histamine is necessary for certain essential functions of the body. For example, when we eat, histamine is used to instruct the parietal cells of the stomach to begin producing more gastric acid so that digestion of the food will begin properly when the food reaches the stomach. But too much histamine can provoke the immune system, and cause disruptions in various systems in the body. Each of us has our own histamine limit, and it may vary on a daily or weekly basis. Histamines are usually not a problem until we exceed our threshold. Therefore if we know that we have histamine issues, it behooves us to limit the amount of foods in our diet that are known to be high in histamine content, so that we don't exceed our limit. If there is a good chance that we may exceed our limit (because we believe that our threshold limit is relatively low), then antihistamines may help. Have you seen this basic information about mast cell issues and how they can be associated with MC?
What are mast cells?
How are mast cells associated with microscopic colitis?
How do I know if mast cells are causing problems for me?
How are mast cell issues treated?
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Christina,
My results were similar to yours.
I took out all the foods tested.
I ate venison, turkey, lamb, & overcooked veggies, ginger tea, coconut, pumpkin and sunflower seeds (soaked & dehydrated), and small bits of fruit that was also cooked.
Be sure to read all labels...there is soy in everything these days!
And, know that you're not alone in all of this....you have to concentrate on a day at a time, and this forum will help a lot!
Tex has published a book (upper right hand corner of this page) that can really help you understand what's going on in your body.
My results were similar to yours.
I took out all the foods tested.
I ate venison, turkey, lamb, & overcooked veggies, ginger tea, coconut, pumpkin and sunflower seeds (soaked & dehydrated), and small bits of fruit that was also cooked.
Be sure to read all labels...there is soy in everything these days!
And, know that you're not alone in all of this....you have to concentrate on a day at a time, and this forum will help a lot!
Tex has published a book (upper right hand corner of this page) that can really help you understand what's going on in your body.
Linda :)
LC Oct. 2012
MTHFR gene mutation and many more....
LC Oct. 2012
MTHFR gene mutation and many more....
Hi Christina,
I've had MC for three years. Although we are all different and react to different things, there are core similarities.
*Gluten is a big deal for very many of us.
*Many of us have more than one food sensitivity and some of those sensitivities require very complete elimination.
*It is hard to believe that extreme elimination is required.
*Creating the needed changes takes time and requires redefining what's healthy for you as an individual at a given time.
In the beginning, I needed calories, hydration, and to shut off the watery diarrhea. Bacon, beef, turkey, fish, sweet potato, rice, and coconut were my best friends. I understand that lots of sugar isn't recommended for gut problems but I added sugar to my diet at times to feed my brain so I could think again and move forward and that worked out ok for me.
Now for a bit of good news. For years I suffered from fibromyalgia-type pain. My neck, head, and body hurt so much that I would clench my teeth and wake up every time I turned over in bed. When I eliminated gluten, at least 80% of the pain disappeared and didn't return. At first I thought the pain relief was caused by Entocort but I went off the medication a long time ago and the pain never returned.
I don't ever eat gluten, trace gluten or foods made in a factory where gluten is used for other products. I would never peel a piece of meat from a sandwich made with traditional bread and eat the meat. I don't use a colander that has held regular spaghetti or other foods containing gluten. I do not have flour in my house.
On the other end of the spectrum, I don't eat chicken but I would occasionally eat a turkey leg that touched a chicken leg. I don't ever eat nuts or foods containing nuts but I would eat foods from a factory that warns that they also produce foods containing nuts in their factory. I don't feel that a rare exposure to one chip of a nut would cause any serious problem for me but small exposures to gluten ARE a problem for me.
Bottom line: It's a learning experience. Start with safe food.
DJ
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I've had MC for three years. Although we are all different and react to different things, there are core similarities.
*Gluten is a big deal for very many of us.
*Many of us have more than one food sensitivity and some of those sensitivities require very complete elimination.
*It is hard to believe that extreme elimination is required.
*Creating the needed changes takes time and requires redefining what's healthy for you as an individual at a given time.
In the beginning, I needed calories, hydration, and to shut off the watery diarrhea. Bacon, beef, turkey, fish, sweet potato, rice, and coconut were my best friends. I understand that lots of sugar isn't recommended for gut problems but I added sugar to my diet at times to feed my brain so I could think again and move forward and that worked out ok for me.
Now for a bit of good news. For years I suffered from fibromyalgia-type pain. My neck, head, and body hurt so much that I would clench my teeth and wake up every time I turned over in bed. When I eliminated gluten, at least 80% of the pain disappeared and didn't return. At first I thought the pain relief was caused by Entocort but I went off the medication a long time ago and the pain never returned.
I don't ever eat gluten, trace gluten or foods made in a factory where gluten is used for other products. I would never peel a piece of meat from a sandwich made with traditional bread and eat the meat. I don't use a colander that has held regular spaghetti or other foods containing gluten. I do not have flour in my house.
On the other end of the spectrum, I don't eat chicken but I would occasionally eat a turkey leg that touched a chicken leg. I don't ever eat nuts or foods containing nuts but I would eat foods from a factory that warns that they also produce foods containing nuts in their factory. I don't feel that a rare exposure to one chip of a nut would cause any serious problem for me but small exposures to gluten ARE a problem for me.
Bottom line: It's a learning experience. Start with safe food.
DJ
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