Breakfast
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Breakfast
Hi,
I don't know about you guys, but breakfast variations has been a challenge to me.
For 2 years now I have had one banana or a low sugar fruit smoothie (water based). But this has become boring, and I needed some change.
So, I got this book from my son called "Belly friendly food - Low FOODMAP". There I found a recipe called "fridge porridge". A very odd word...
I had it this morning, and I'm excited to see how I react.
In a jar with a lid you put:
0,5 dl glutenfree oats
0,5 dl coconut flakes
1 dl coconut milk
1 dl lactosefree youghurt
A handful of nuts, if you can tolerate it
I haven't tried oats for the last 2 years, but I skipped the youghurt, and doubled the coconut milk. You let the jar stay in the fridge for 5 hours, or overnight.
To serve I put some slices of fresh banana on top.
It tasted wonderful, but will my stomach think the same?
I will let you know
Lilia
I don't know about you guys, but breakfast variations has been a challenge to me.
For 2 years now I have had one banana or a low sugar fruit smoothie (water based). But this has become boring, and I needed some change.
So, I got this book from my son called "Belly friendly food - Low FOODMAP". There I found a recipe called "fridge porridge". A very odd word...
I had it this morning, and I'm excited to see how I react.
In a jar with a lid you put:
0,5 dl glutenfree oats
0,5 dl coconut flakes
1 dl coconut milk
1 dl lactosefree youghurt
A handful of nuts, if you can tolerate it
I haven't tried oats for the last 2 years, but I skipped the youghurt, and doubled the coconut milk. You let the jar stay in the fridge for 5 hours, or overnight.
To serve I put some slices of fresh banana on top.
It tasted wonderful, but will my stomach think the same?
I will let you know
Lilia
Collagenous Colitis diagnosis in 2010
Psoriasis in 1973, symptom free in 2014
GF, CF and SF free since April, 2013
Psoriasis in 1973, symptom free in 2014
GF, CF and SF free since April, 2013
Lilia,
That's good news, but please keep a watchful eye on the oats. When I did my oat challenge, I hadn't eaten oats in about 5 years, so it took me a while to produce enough antibodies to oats to trigger a reaction. And I rotated the oats in my diet so that I only ate it twice a week, so it took me 6 weeks before I began to react.
Tex
That's good news, but please keep a watchful eye on the oats. When I did my oat challenge, I hadn't eaten oats in about 5 years, so it took me a while to produce enough antibodies to oats to trigger a reaction. And I rotated the oats in my diet so that I only ate it twice a week, so it took me 6 weeks before I began to react.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
How does one survive without oats or any other grains? They are an important part of our diet. I'm so disgusted that our foodstuffs have been genetically engineered to the point that we can't tolerate them. I'm just learning how to eat gluten free and it's so frustrating.
Kim "The Outhouse Polka Queen"
Raynaud's Disease, 1982
Thyroid Disease, 2007
Collagenous Colitis, 2010
Raynaud's Disease, 1982
Thyroid Disease, 2007
Collagenous Colitis, 2010
Where did you learn that? Grains did not exist for the first 2 million years or so of human evolution. Our paleo ancestors were much bigger, stronger, healthier, and more robust in general than we are today. The anthropological fossil records clearly show that human health, stature, size, robustness, etc., all declined significantly soon after the advent of the neolithic period of history roughly 10,000 years ago when agriculture was developed. Grains, dairy products, and soy did not exist in the human diet (nor in the diet of the ancestors of Homo sapiens) prior to the neolithic period of history.Kim wrote:How does one survive without oats or any other grains? They are an important part of our diet.
Carbs (particularly those found in grains) are a category of food that we can totally exclude from our diet (just as our paleo ancestors often did) without any health problems. The paleo people ate carbs when they were starving, because they couldn't find fresh meat. We have to have protein and we have to have fat in our diet, but we do not need carbs in order to be healthy. They aren't necessarily harmful, as long as we don't overdo them, and as long as we burn the energy resulting from their digestion. But remember that carbs are the foundation of "junk food". Carbs are a good source of energy, but if we don't use that energy as fast as it's generated, it's converted to fat and deposited as adipose tissue in our body.
Did you know that the fossil records show that the tooth decay problems we experience today originated during the neolithic period, when gluten was introduced into the human diet? A good dentist can spot a celiac as soon as she or he peers into their mouth. Did you know that cancer didn't exist before the neolithic period? Cancer is caused by inflammation, and inflammation was uncommon before the neolithic period, when the human diet was significantly altered.
So the answer to your question is, "Without grains we survive just as our ancestors did, on a much healthier diet."
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I've been eating oats (in the form of oat flour) for a really long time. The place that I get my gluten free, soy free, dairy free, and egg free bread uses gluten free oat flour. It is the best bread I've ever eaten. And I've had no problems with it at all. I eat it almost every day.
http://www.outsidethebreadbox.co/
Would eating regular gluten free oats be different than the flour? Just curious about that......................
http://www.outsidethebreadbox.co/
Would eating regular gluten free oats be different than the flour? Just curious about that......................
Jari
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 29th, 2015
Gluten free, Dairy free, and Soy free since July 3rd, 2015
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 29th, 2015
Gluten free, Dairy free, and Soy free since July 3rd, 2015
Jari,
You're very lucky. Most of us are sensitive to the avenin in oats. It's a weaker protein, but it affects us the same as a lighter dose of wheat gluten (IOW it usually takes more than a trace to make us react). Obviously you must not be sensitive to it if you're been eating it for more than 6 weeks without any problems (that's how long I had to eat it before my reactions began when I tested oats).
The main difference between the oats and the flour would be that the whole oats should be less likely to be cross-contaminated with gluten. It's my opinion that most GF flours that are cross-contaminated become contaminated during the flour milling process simply because it's virtually impossible to completely clean the stone mills used in most flour mills.
Tex
You're very lucky. Most of us are sensitive to the avenin in oats. It's a weaker protein, but it affects us the same as a lighter dose of wheat gluten (IOW it usually takes more than a trace to make us react). Obviously you must not be sensitive to it if you're been eating it for more than 6 weeks without any problems (that's how long I had to eat it before my reactions began when I tested oats).
The main difference between the oats and the flour would be that the whole oats should be less likely to be cross-contaminated with gluten. It's my opinion that most GF flours that are cross-contaminated become contaminated during the flour milling process simply because it's virtually impossible to completely clean the stone mills used in most flour mills.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I have been eating that bread for 2-3 months or so............I tried it early on.............they make a pizza crust and bagels too................so, I'm sure that if I was going to react, I would have already done so, and I do eat it almost daily in some form.
Interesting.............I'm not sure where they get their flour (what brand or mill), but I do know that they are a bakery that is totally gluten free. They started it several years ago because their daughter couldn't eat gluten and some other things, I believe.
Well, Ok, I'll consider myself very lucky because it is really good bread. Lucky with that...........not lucky with many other things...........guess it all evens out!
Interesting.............I'm not sure where they get their flour (what brand or mill), but I do know that they are a bakery that is totally gluten free. They started it several years ago because their daughter couldn't eat gluten and some other things, I believe.
Well, Ok, I'll consider myself very lucky because it is really good bread. Lucky with that...........not lucky with many other things...........guess it all evens out!
Jari
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 29th, 2015
Gluten free, Dairy free, and Soy free since July 3rd, 2015
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 29th, 2015
Gluten free, Dairy free, and Soy free since July 3rd, 2015
Wow Jari,
That's a great bakery, their products look outstanding! Our bakery here is very good, she is new and the products taste really good, I think the breads could be worked on a little, as the place you get your products have figured out how to appeal to the eye well.
That's a great bakery, their products look outstanding! Our bakery here is very good, she is new and the products taste really good, I think the breads could be worked on a little, as the place you get your products have figured out how to appeal to the eye well.
To Succeed you have to Believe in something with such a passion that it becomes a Reality - Anita Roddick
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
Erica, it is so good. They actually sell to all the Natural Grocers and some other places in Colorado, and so they have a little place that we can go in and buy stuff. I thought I had died and gone to heaven when someone told me about it and I went there. That's all they do, bread, rolls, bagels, pizza crust, and they also make gluten free, soy free, dairy free pies (apple, cherry, blackberry, pumpkin). They use egg in the crust, but I have tried them and they are delish also! And I was ok with that little amount of egg (or the fact that it was cooked).
Jari
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 29th, 2015
Gluten free, Dairy free, and Soy free since July 3rd, 2015
Diagnosed with Collagenous Colitis, June 29th, 2015
Gluten free, Dairy free, and Soy free since July 3rd, 2015
I need to finish reading you book, Tex! I guess I've had it drilled into me, all my life, that we need portions from all of the food groups to have a healthy diet. Presently, I get all of my carbs from fruit and veggies. I stay away from junk food, soda and processed sugar...and have for most of my life.
I started out with weight lifting, when I was 17, and took my fitness program to an extreme level after that. All I ate was meat, fish, protein shakes, fruits and veggies. Also, fat was a BIG no no. I tried to keep my carbs as low as possible to get the toned and cut physic I was working for. I ended up pushing my body way too far and got my body fat down to 8%. That's way to low for a woman and, not surprisingly, I finally ended up in the hospital with spinal meningitis. My doctor told me, at that time, I was ruining my health and that I needed to reintroduce carbs into my diet. Is it any wonder I'm completely confused?? Now I don't believe it was my diet that was the problem. It was all they physical stress I was putting myself through as well as not eating enough of the foods which I did allow myself to eat.
I'm not at all surprised that humans started having problems after they introduced grains into their diets. It makes sense. But it would also make sense, to me, that genetically altering our grain foodstuffs is part of the problem. Wheat today is nothing like it was 50 years ago...it's a completely different grain. And I believe that's why such a huge portion of the population is starting to get sick...and at such a frightening rate. Am I completely off base with this??
I have some reading to do about diet and how to eat in a manner that will help me get well. What I'm getting from your response is that our ancestors survived primarily on meat with some "gathered" foods thrown in (such as berries, roots, etc.) when they could find them. Am I on the right track?
I started out with weight lifting, when I was 17, and took my fitness program to an extreme level after that. All I ate was meat, fish, protein shakes, fruits and veggies. Also, fat was a BIG no no. I tried to keep my carbs as low as possible to get the toned and cut physic I was working for. I ended up pushing my body way too far and got my body fat down to 8%. That's way to low for a woman and, not surprisingly, I finally ended up in the hospital with spinal meningitis. My doctor told me, at that time, I was ruining my health and that I needed to reintroduce carbs into my diet. Is it any wonder I'm completely confused?? Now I don't believe it was my diet that was the problem. It was all they physical stress I was putting myself through as well as not eating enough of the foods which I did allow myself to eat.
I'm not at all surprised that humans started having problems after they introduced grains into their diets. It makes sense. But it would also make sense, to me, that genetically altering our grain foodstuffs is part of the problem. Wheat today is nothing like it was 50 years ago...it's a completely different grain. And I believe that's why such a huge portion of the population is starting to get sick...and at such a frightening rate. Am I completely off base with this??
I have some reading to do about diet and how to eat in a manner that will help me get well. What I'm getting from your response is that our ancestors survived primarily on meat with some "gathered" foods thrown in (such as berries, roots, etc.) when they could find them. Am I on the right track?
Kim "The Outhouse Polka Queen"
Raynaud's Disease, 1982
Thyroid Disease, 2007
Collagenous Colitis, 2010
Raynaud's Disease, 1982
Thyroid Disease, 2007
Collagenous Colitis, 2010
I'm sorry that you had those health problems (after working so hard to be healthy). But IMO your doctor made the same mistake that most doctors make — they were and most of them still are confused about the roles that fat and carbs play in human health. It isn't carbs we need — it's fat . . . saturated animal fat and other healthy fats. Avoiding fat is hazardous for our health. The paleo people had the same type of lean, mean body that you were striving for. But they ate plenty of fat along with the protein they needed. Many armchair "experts" seem to think that wild animals are naturally lean. That's simply not true. Most of the prey species tend to get very fat (assuming that they have enough forage for good health).
In this country we did OK until the mid-1980s when Senator McGovern was assigned the task of deciding what healthy Americans should eat (for the USDA dietary guidelines), and unfortunately he listened to bad advice and inadvertently corrupted the guidelines, and the USDA has been stuck in the same misguided rut ever since. But that mistake marked the start of the worst decline in human health in thousands of years. Most of what we have been discussing here is covered in detail and in a much better organized fashion in chapters 7, 8, and 9 in the book.
But one thing that has changed that the "experts" seem to overlook is the way that wheat is processed for flour. Unlike 50 years ago, flours today are custom blended in order to increase the gluten content of certain types of flout to give them "better" baking qualities. People are eating more gluten because of the changes in flour, not because of changes in the wheat itself. And when I was a kid, wheat was a minor part of our diet. Pizza didn't even exist in the small towns near where I grew up. But by the 70s and 80s so much more of the stuff people were eating was loaded with gluten.
In general, the paleo people ate whatever they could trap or run down while hoping to not get run down and eaten themselves by a bigger or faster predator. But sometimes they had hard times, and they ate whatever they could find to survive on. And of course their diet depended on the area where they roamed, the weather, the seasons, luck, and their skills. But they preferred meat, whenever they could get it because meat is the only food that contains all the essential amino acids. Of course they didn't actually know that, but their body told them it was so. And they knew that meat and animal fat kept them healthy.
Tex
In this country we did OK until the mid-1980s when Senator McGovern was assigned the task of deciding what healthy Americans should eat (for the USDA dietary guidelines), and unfortunately he listened to bad advice and inadvertently corrupted the guidelines, and the USDA has been stuck in the same misguided rut ever since. But that mistake marked the start of the worst decline in human health in thousands of years. Most of what we have been discussing here is covered in detail and in a much better organized fashion in chapters 7, 8, and 9 in the book.
Kim, I have an advantage on you. You're "talking" with an old farmer here. Believe it or not I was growing wheat 50 years ago (and I still live among the same fields on our farm today, where wheat is rotated with corn), and I can guarantee you that the difference between the wheat grown today and the wheat grown then is very slight. None of the nutritional values have changed significantly over the last century despite all the claims to the contrary made by armchair experts. And since gluten is protein, gluten content has not changed significantly either. So outside of yields per acre, the specs on wheat haven't actually changed enough to talk about.Wheat today is nothing like it was 50 years ago...it's a completely different grain. And I believe that's why such a huge portion of the population is starting to get sick...and at such a frightening rate. Am I completely off base with this??
But one thing that has changed that the "experts" seem to overlook is the way that wheat is processed for flour. Unlike 50 years ago, flours today are custom blended in order to increase the gluten content of certain types of flout to give them "better" baking qualities. People are eating more gluten because of the changes in flour, not because of changes in the wheat itself. And when I was a kid, wheat was a minor part of our diet. Pizza didn't even exist in the small towns near where I grew up. But by the 70s and 80s so much more of the stuff people were eating was loaded with gluten.
In general, the paleo people ate whatever they could trap or run down while hoping to not get run down and eaten themselves by a bigger or faster predator. But sometimes they had hard times, and they ate whatever they could find to survive on. And of course their diet depended on the area where they roamed, the weather, the seasons, luck, and their skills. But they preferred meat, whenever they could get it because meat is the only food that contains all the essential amino acids. Of course they didn't actually know that, but their body told them it was so. And they knew that meat and animal fat kept them healthy.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Kim
you might find the link in this post of interest regarding wheat processing and why we struggle to digest it
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=21810
you might find the link in this post of interest regarding wheat processing and why we struggle to digest it
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=21810
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Tex is right. The problem isn't eliminating carbs. People can live with no carbs in their diet. The problem is with cutting back severely on fat. Fat is an essential nutrient and we need to be eating it, not highly processed vegetable oils, but natural fats from animals or olive oil or coconut oil.. You might be interested in 2 books by Phinney and Volek, "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living" and "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance". I don't eat any grains at all and I eat only low carb vegetables. For a year or more I ate almost no vegetables while I was getting my symptoms under control, but I eat plenty of natural fats.tex wrote:I'm sorry that you had those health problems (after working so hard to be healthy). But IMO your doctor made the same mistake that most doctors make — they were and most of them still are confused about the roles that fat and carbs play in human health. It isn't carbs we need — it's fat . . . saturated animal fat and other healthy fats. Avoiding fat is hazardous for our health. The paleo people had the same type of lean, mean body that you were striving for. But they ate plenty of fat along with the protein they needed. Many armchair "experts" seem to think that wild animals are naturally lean. That's simply not true. Most of the prey species tend to get very fat (assuming that they have enough forage for good health).
Jean
Something interesting...when I asked my husband last night if he thought grain was a healthy part of our diet, he said "yes". It's what we were taught all the way from grade school through Home Ec in High School! And my doctors haven't been any help in this respect. I even had a personal trainer, who had a doctorate in physical education, tell me not to eat fat. Everything I've leaned over the years is WRONG!
I'm learning a lot here and will finish the chapters in the book that discuss diet. It makes sense that the flours are tampered with because so much of the food we eat today has been processed and contains things in it that aren't good for our bodies. I'm a lot older now, and don't have the energy to keep up with my fitness routine. Just getting through work is all I can do in a week...then I sleep all weekend. I completed the Bataan Death March, a grueling 26.3 mile marathon, right before I became ill. I was in such good shape in 2007 and it's all been downhill from there. It makes me sad.
I have the book and will do a lot more reading. I've also ordered the tests from EnteroLab and intend to try to get healthy again by eliminating everything from my diet which is making me sick. I'm very new at this so will have to reeducate myself in order to bet my life back.
I'm learning a lot here and will finish the chapters in the book that discuss diet. It makes sense that the flours are tampered with because so much of the food we eat today has been processed and contains things in it that aren't good for our bodies. I'm a lot older now, and don't have the energy to keep up with my fitness routine. Just getting through work is all I can do in a week...then I sleep all weekend. I completed the Bataan Death March, a grueling 26.3 mile marathon, right before I became ill. I was in such good shape in 2007 and it's all been downhill from there. It makes me sad.
I have the book and will do a lot more reading. I've also ordered the tests from EnteroLab and intend to try to get healthy again by eliminating everything from my diet which is making me sick. I'm very new at this so will have to reeducate myself in order to bet my life back.
Kim "The Outhouse Polka Queen"
Raynaud's Disease, 1982
Thyroid Disease, 2007
Collagenous Colitis, 2010
Raynaud's Disease, 1982
Thyroid Disease, 2007
Collagenous Colitis, 2010