I'm wondering if B12 sublingual which goes directly into the blood stream should be free of soy, lactose and corn, things I need to avoid? I've found a B12 that is but it's expensive.
Also I tend to be anemic and have taken a chelated iron for a long time, now with CC it's causing more D. Anyone else had this problem? And have a suggestion?
My "high quality" multi also has corn and soy. How important is a multi? I've found good Vit D3 and magnesium.
Another concern is turkey is my go to protein. Commercial turkeys are feed corn and soy I would bet. What's the thinking regarding feed for our protein sources. I need to avoid chicken, pork and beef.
Thanks!
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christinafriberg
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Hi Christina,
Hopefully others will share their insight here, but here's my 2 cents worth:
Yes, vitamin supplements must be free of all of the things that cause us to react. If you need the vitamin, it pays to spend the money on a good, pure product.
Maybe Brandy will see your post and offer her suggestions on dealing with iron deficiency. She is the resident expert here on treating iron deficiency. Taking iron supplements with MC can be a delicate balancing act. I believe that some members have had superior results using blackstrap molasses and/or cooking in cast iron pots and pans. But as you mentioned, most of the supplements recommended by doctors will cause D or other digestive problems.
Most of us can do without a multivitamin because they don't contain enough of anything to resolve any vitamin or mineral deficiencies anyway, and they almost always contain ingredients that most of us cannot tolerate. Vitamin D and magnesium are by far the most important supplements for most of us, and if you have any other deficiencies it's safer to add them as individual supplements rather than trying to cover them with a multivitamin.
While some authorities claim that soy (or gluten) can be transferred to the body of birds of animals, IMO that can only happen if they have leaky gut (like us), because unless they have leaky gut those gluten or soy peptides cannot pass into the bloodstream to be carried to other parts of the body. When the gut is working normally, only amino acids, vitamins, and minerals can cross the enterocyte border in the intestines to get into the bloodstream.
That said, IMO the biggest problem with many meat products is the "crude" (for want of a better word) way they are eviscerated. In poultry especially, the guts are removed by a rather aggressive mechanical process that can rip the intestines apart and scatter the contents all over the carcass. Surely that is the biggest threat, because it virtually guarantees that partially-digested feed will show up at least somewhere on many carcasses. And then to insure that there will be a good uniform coating of fecal material on every bird, they are washed in a common bath containing USDA-approved disinfectants. The problem is that these days everything has to be "green", so processors are not allowed to change their wash water as often as you or I would, and as a result the disinfectant bath almost always contains the washed off contamination of a few thousand previously-washed birds at all times.
So if 1 of those birds was sick, then bacteria can be spread to all that follow.
Since it's common knowledge that most commercially-processed poultry contains salmonella and other bacteria after processing, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that they also are extremely likely to contain traces of fecal matter that can contain gluten or soy.
I'll even let you in on a trade secret. We used to supply a lot of grain for chicken producers near here. During the first stages of the growing process, most chicken producers use a ration heavy on milo (grain sorghum), because it's usually the cheapest grain available that will do the job of growing out the chicks in a hurry. But about 10 days to 2 weeks prior to the day they will be finished and slaughtered, corn is substituted in the ration and all the milo is removed. Why? Because when the birds are slaughtered, if the digestive system contains any partially-digested milo, it will show up as unsightly tiny black specks in the body cavity and sometimes on other surfaces of the bird. Consumers are suspicious of those black specks. So corn is used because someone noticed that it does not leave any visible residues after processing.
Residue is still there, but no one can see it without special equipment.
One solution is to get your poultry from small operators who use free-range production methods. In addition to being less likely to use soy as feed, they are less likely to use automated machinery for processing. And you can ask them if they use soy or wheat or barley in their feed ration.
Have you considered lamb? It appears that virtually every one of us can tolerate lamb. Or goat/cabrito?
Tex
Hopefully others will share their insight here, but here's my 2 cents worth:
Yes, vitamin supplements must be free of all of the things that cause us to react. If you need the vitamin, it pays to spend the money on a good, pure product.
Maybe Brandy will see your post and offer her suggestions on dealing with iron deficiency. She is the resident expert here on treating iron deficiency. Taking iron supplements with MC can be a delicate balancing act. I believe that some members have had superior results using blackstrap molasses and/or cooking in cast iron pots and pans. But as you mentioned, most of the supplements recommended by doctors will cause D or other digestive problems.
Most of us can do without a multivitamin because they don't contain enough of anything to resolve any vitamin or mineral deficiencies anyway, and they almost always contain ingredients that most of us cannot tolerate. Vitamin D and magnesium are by far the most important supplements for most of us, and if you have any other deficiencies it's safer to add them as individual supplements rather than trying to cover them with a multivitamin.
While some authorities claim that soy (or gluten) can be transferred to the body of birds of animals, IMO that can only happen if they have leaky gut (like us), because unless they have leaky gut those gluten or soy peptides cannot pass into the bloodstream to be carried to other parts of the body. When the gut is working normally, only amino acids, vitamins, and minerals can cross the enterocyte border in the intestines to get into the bloodstream.
That said, IMO the biggest problem with many meat products is the "crude" (for want of a better word) way they are eviscerated. In poultry especially, the guts are removed by a rather aggressive mechanical process that can rip the intestines apart and scatter the contents all over the carcass. Surely that is the biggest threat, because it virtually guarantees that partially-digested feed will show up at least somewhere on many carcasses. And then to insure that there will be a good uniform coating of fecal material on every bird, they are washed in a common bath containing USDA-approved disinfectants. The problem is that these days everything has to be "green", so processors are not allowed to change their wash water as often as you or I would, and as a result the disinfectant bath almost always contains the washed off contamination of a few thousand previously-washed birds at all times.
So if 1 of those birds was sick, then bacteria can be spread to all that follow.Since it's common knowledge that most commercially-processed poultry contains salmonella and other bacteria after processing, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that they also are extremely likely to contain traces of fecal matter that can contain gluten or soy.
I'll even let you in on a trade secret. We used to supply a lot of grain for chicken producers near here. During the first stages of the growing process, most chicken producers use a ration heavy on milo (grain sorghum), because it's usually the cheapest grain available that will do the job of growing out the chicks in a hurry. But about 10 days to 2 weeks prior to the day they will be finished and slaughtered, corn is substituted in the ration and all the milo is removed. Why? Because when the birds are slaughtered, if the digestive system contains any partially-digested milo, it will show up as unsightly tiny black specks in the body cavity and sometimes on other surfaces of the bird. Consumers are suspicious of those black specks. So corn is used because someone noticed that it does not leave any visible residues after processing.
Residue is still there, but no one can see it without special equipment.One solution is to get your poultry from small operators who use free-range production methods. In addition to being less likely to use soy as feed, they are less likely to use automated machinery for processing. And you can ask them if they use soy or wheat or barley in their feed ration.
Have you considered lamb? It appears that virtually every one of us can tolerate lamb. Or goat/cabrito?
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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christinafriberg
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Thanks Tex! As always your answers are full of valuable information. I do eat lamb, not sure I'm ready for goat yet, lamb was an adjustment for me. I'm pretty new to all this AND have learned SO much
from the website and all the contributors. Thank you all!
I would like to contact Brandy. How do I go about that?
from the website and all the contributors. Thank you all!
I would like to contact Brandy. How do I go about that?
Here is a link to a post that Brandy wrote as a response to a new member a little over a year ago. It contains a lot of great information, and if you want to contact her just click on either the "pm" button (to send her a personal message) or the "email" button (to send her an email). The buttons are located at the bottom of her post, along with a couple of other buttons. When you click on one of those 2 buttons the system will open either a PM message composing box (addressed to her) or a form for composing an email addressed to her.
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... c&start=15
You're very welcome,
Tex
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... c&start=15
You're very welcome,
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Christina,
Brandy here. I took proferrin as a supplement. https://www.proferrin.com/. Proferrin is heme so more readily absorbed. I tried a number of other iron supplements but they caused D. Recommended dose is 2-3 pills per day with a meal. I could only tolerate 1 pill with lunch. I had gurgling when I attempted to use it at breakfast or dinner. Proferrin has a artificial colors etc. It is made from centrifuged cows blood. Yummy!
This was not cheap. It cost around $70.00 for 100 pills OTc from drugstore. Drugstore-CVS did not stock but would order it in and have for me in one day or so.
I took these for about 5 months. I no longer need them but I am no longer menstruating either. They really helped me bring my ferritin score from I think 12 up to around 45.
I also ate a lot of shellfish during this time....shrimp, scallops, clams etc for higher iron.
I believe several others on here have also taken proferrin.
Brandy
Brandy here. I took proferrin as a supplement. https://www.proferrin.com/. Proferrin is heme so more readily absorbed. I tried a number of other iron supplements but they caused D. Recommended dose is 2-3 pills per day with a meal. I could only tolerate 1 pill with lunch. I had gurgling when I attempted to use it at breakfast or dinner. Proferrin has a artificial colors etc. It is made from centrifuged cows blood. Yummy!
This was not cheap. It cost around $70.00 for 100 pills OTc from drugstore. Drugstore-CVS did not stock but would order it in and have for me in one day or so.
I took these for about 5 months. I no longer need them but I am no longer menstruating either. They really helped me bring my ferritin score from I think 12 up to around 45.
I also ate a lot of shellfish during this time....shrimp, scallops, clams etc for higher iron.
I believe several others on here have also taken proferrin.
Brandy
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christinafriberg
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