Well I was doing pretty good for awhile....didn't change anything (although I'm almost done weaning myself off of klonopin).
Now I have a slight pain in upper abdomen when I begin eating anything which goes away by the end of the meal.
Horrid gas that starts after dinner and sometimes lasts all night actually keeping me awake to pass it. Burping has increased even in the morning without anything to eat.
Burning stomach and mouth which gets much worse at night....accompanied by abdominal pains that come and go. Very sour feeling stomach. Tried baking soda and Zantac without much help.
In between Normans I'll sometimes have D or C.
All things had been there for awhile but were mild and would come and go. The worst offender is the constant nightime hot burny gas that's actually affecting sleep. Gonna try some Betaine Hcl today as I've had some luck with it in the past. Any other suggestions or experiences with this would be appreciated.
GAS, pain, and bloating.
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GAS, pain, and bloating.
Vanessa
Vanessa,
It sorta sounds as though you might have excess stomach acidity (an excess histamine problem), but it's difficult to say, because similar symptoms can be caused by either too much or too little stomach acid.
If Zantac didn't help though, that suggests that the problem is probably not too much histamine/stomach acidity. So it might be worthwhile to try Betaine HCL.
Tex
It sorta sounds as though you might have excess stomach acidity (an excess histamine problem), but it's difficult to say, because similar symptoms can be caused by either too much or too little stomach acid.
If Zantac didn't help though, that suggests that the problem is probably not too much histamine/stomach acidity. So it might be worthwhile to try Betaine HCL.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Thanks Tex,
I might try an anti histamine again if Betaine doesn't help. The night I woke up at 3 am with a big flare my eye had swelled for no particular reason. I just chucked the idea because they didn't help before.
On a side note my recent SIgA level was actually higher than normal so it is possible for that to change! Looks like more enterolab is in order!
I might try an anti histamine again if Betaine doesn't help. The night I woke up at 3 am with a big flare my eye had swelled for no particular reason. I just chucked the idea because they didn't help before.
On a side note my recent SIgA level was actually higher than normal so it is possible for that to change! Looks like more enterolab is in order!
Vanessa
Hi Vanessa,
How do you dose your HCL supplements? I have read a lot about these and just started trying them. How long does it take for your symptoms to usually abate? Have you tried drinking apple cider vinegar? Seems to be a lot of talk about that as well.
Rich
How do you dose your HCL supplements? I have read a lot about these and just started trying them. How long does it take for your symptoms to usually abate? Have you tried drinking apple cider vinegar? Seems to be a lot of talk about that as well.
Rich
"It's not what I believe. It's what I can prove." - A Few Good Men
Hey Rich,
It looks like we may be in somewhat the same boat....after today it looks like I'm back in a flare
although it could be detox.
I go real slow when I try anything new. With the Betaine I started with one pill with a heavy meat meal which is every meal for me. I found relief with one sometimes two pills per meal and never more than that.
IMO apple cider vinegar is real nauseating to drink. I do pour it over well cooked green beans and sweet potatoe with coconut oil as I love vinegar anyway. Don't know if that has helped as quickly as Betaine did.
Reading your earlier post makes me want to forgo all of the testing you had, although I do question H. Pylorie and ulcers.....I have a feeling all tests would come back normal.
It looks like we may be in somewhat the same boat....after today it looks like I'm back in a flare
although it could be detox.I go real slow when I try anything new. With the Betaine I started with one pill with a heavy meat meal which is every meal for me. I found relief with one sometimes two pills per meal and never more than that.
IMO apple cider vinegar is real nauseating to drink. I do pour it over well cooked green beans and sweet potatoe with coconut oil as I love vinegar anyway. Don't know if that has helped as quickly as Betaine did.
Reading your earlier post makes me want to forgo all of the testing you had, although I do question H. Pylorie and ulcers.....I have a feeling all tests would come back normal.
Vanessa
Hi Vanessa,
Thanks for the response. About how long does it take for you to notice a substantial improvement from HCL supplementation?
And regarding the tests I have completed (too many to recount anymore), the only one that might make sense, for both of us at this point, is the Heidelberg test for stomach acidity. But both H Pylori and SIBO can cause these nasty symptoms too. A simple blood or stool test for H Pylori and a breath test for SIBO makes them both pretty easy to do.
But if you test positive for H Pylori and/or SIBO, I am not convinced that the medical community knows how to resolve those issues. So a paleo diet and HCL supplementation is still probably the best course of action. Unless you want to jumpstart the process with the Triple Therapy for H Pylori or Rifaximin for SIBO.
Rich
Thanks for the response. About how long does it take for you to notice a substantial improvement from HCL supplementation?
And regarding the tests I have completed (too many to recount anymore), the only one that might make sense, for both of us at this point, is the Heidelberg test for stomach acidity. But both H Pylori and SIBO can cause these nasty symptoms too. A simple blood or stool test for H Pylori and a breath test for SIBO makes them both pretty easy to do.
But if you test positive for H Pylori and/or SIBO, I am not convinced that the medical community knows how to resolve those issues. So a paleo diet and HCL supplementation is still probably the best course of action. Unless you want to jumpstart the process with the Triple Therapy for H Pylori or Rifaximin for SIBO.
Rich
"It's not what I believe. It's what I can prove." - A Few Good Men
Good point. I have a hunch you're right on target with that observation.Rich wrote:But if you test positive for H Pylori and/or SIBO, I am not convinced the the medical community knows how to resolve those issues.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Rich,
I noticed pretty much right away that the burning and churning was better. At times I could have upped the dose but was cautious as I definitely didn't want the burning to come back even worse. It seemed like a very subtle improvement like with all healing. One day I just didn't think to take it.
I still am dumbfounded about how this disease can literally overnight take ten steps back again. Man I was feeling good just a few days ago. Talk about nerve racking. Wah wah woe is me
I noticed pretty much right away that the burning and churning was better. At times I could have upped the dose but was cautious as I definitely didn't want the burning to come back even worse. It seemed like a very subtle improvement like with all healing. One day I just didn't think to take it.
I still am dumbfounded about how this disease can literally overnight take ten steps back again. Man I was feeling good just a few days ago. Talk about nerve racking. Wah wah woe is me
Vanessa
I am so sorry you're struggling with this! I just came here to post on the exact same topic (or the gas, anyway). I have been battling EXTREMELY painful gas for the past couple of weeks- like sharp, radiating pain so bad that I come very close to throwing up every time. At first I worried it might be something more serious, but it mostly goes away once I pass gas or poop. Then comes back later (ugh). I didn't notice it until I started taking Pepto Bismol, but it doesn't make any sense that Pepto tablets would cause such a thing, and it doesn't happen every day that I use them. My most recent suspicion is that it might be a result of the probiotics I take at lunch time, since the pain always comes on around 5:00/5:30, before dinner. However, I've used those same probiotics for awhile now without any problems. Bodies are so weird. Anyway, I'm relieved to know that painful gas is a common concern with this disease. It can be quite scary at times!
2005- Crohn's dx (later changed to "IBS")
2010 to present- Recurrent miscarriages (9)
2012 to present- Elevated thyroid antibodies and TNF-a
2012- tested compound heterozygous for MTHFR mutation
2015- LC dx
2010 to present- Recurrent miscarriages (9)
2012 to present- Elevated thyroid antibodies and TNF-a
2012- tested compound heterozygous for MTHFR mutation
2015- LC dx
Hey guys,
Looks like low stomach acid once again. After the first day of starting to add more apple cider vinegar and Betaine HCl supplements the horrendous gas, bloating, and awful upper abdominal pain while eating has ceased. They always caution not to supplement without a practitioners guidance. I would think Betaine would cause burning pain if you did indeed have peptic ulcers....anything to get out of going to the dr.
Rich.....if you read this How is your supplementing treating you?
Looks like low stomach acid once again. After the first day of starting to add more apple cider vinegar and Betaine HCl supplements the horrendous gas, bloating, and awful upper abdominal pain while eating has ceased. They always caution not to supplement without a practitioners guidance. I would think Betaine would cause burning pain if you did indeed have peptic ulcers....anything to get out of going to the dr.
Rich.....if you read this How is your supplementing treating you?
Vanessa
Hey Rich,
I quit using it after about three weeks because I noticed a big increase in my withdrawal symptoms when I was coming off of my anti-anxiety med. I wonder if it affected the absorption of the medication somehow? I was doing good for a long while without Betaine, but now back to burning stomach at night, and burning behind my chest plate literally as food passes. Hurts only when the food passes down like there is some functional problem? It is worse with things like mango and applesauce. I don't know. Going to an endo on Feb. 29th to see about H. pylori that I've been putting off for a year. Not sure what to do. I feel they probably need to take a look down there even though the solutions seem elusive. When you refuse to take a PPI and not to keen on antibiotics, I don't know if there are more natural ways to get H. Pylori under control....Thanks for the update.
I quit using it after about three weeks because I noticed a big increase in my withdrawal symptoms when I was coming off of my anti-anxiety med. I wonder if it affected the absorption of the medication somehow? I was doing good for a long while without Betaine, but now back to burning stomach at night, and burning behind my chest plate literally as food passes. Hurts only when the food passes down like there is some functional problem? It is worse with things like mango and applesauce. I don't know. Going to an endo on Feb. 29th to see about H. pylori that I've been putting off for a year. Not sure what to do. I feel they probably need to take a look down there even though the solutions seem elusive. When you refuse to take a PPI and not to keen on antibiotics, I don't know if there are more natural ways to get H. Pylori under control....Thanks for the update.
Vanessa