GAS!!!
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laurenla520
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GAS!!!
Ive posted before how the gas, not the D was the worst and hardest to live with symptom, in my case.To refresh my memory and strengthen my mind against the gluten Is the horrible and extremely excessive flatulance due to the food intolerance, like undigested food stuck in the GI track? I am feeling hopeful because I have remained GF since restarting and recomitting in the last few days and did notice that this gas that has just about( well to me anyway) ruined my life is subsiding. Do any of you still struggle with extremely prevalent gas after being GF for a while?
Gas was a problem for years, in my case it really got better when I cut out lactose (probably because I am lactose intolerant), since I am gluten, soy and diary free too, it goes even better, most of the time gas is not a problem anymore.
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Hi Lauren,
The gas is caused by poor digestion. When the digestive process does not get completed in a timely manner, partially-digested foods tend to be fermented by bacteria, (especially sugars, because the brush border regions of the small intestine may not be producing enough of the proper enzymes to properly digest them), and one of the byproducts of the fermentation process is gas. Most fermentation takes place in the colon, and fiber in the diet is also used as a feedstock for fermentation, by bacteria, causing additional gas, bloating, and possibly cramps.
Note that gas and bloating are classic symptoms of celiac disease, so undigested protein peptides can obviously also cause these symptoms. IMO, they don't cause the symptoms directly, though - instead, they cause them by generating inflammation, which forces the small intestine to reduce enzyme production, until the enteritis is past. Without an adequate supply of the necessary enzymes, sugars, proteins, and fats cannot be properly digested.
As Harma mentioned, as our intestines begin to heal, our digestion improves, and the gas will eventually no longer be a problem, (except at normal levels, of course). In the meantime, minimizing sugar intake, (all forms of sugar, including lactose, sucrose, and fructose), and reducing fiber intake,will help to reduce the generation of excessive amounts of gas.
Tex
The gas is caused by poor digestion. When the digestive process does not get completed in a timely manner, partially-digested foods tend to be fermented by bacteria, (especially sugars, because the brush border regions of the small intestine may not be producing enough of the proper enzymes to properly digest them), and one of the byproducts of the fermentation process is gas. Most fermentation takes place in the colon, and fiber in the diet is also used as a feedstock for fermentation, by bacteria, causing additional gas, bloating, and possibly cramps.
Note that gas and bloating are classic symptoms of celiac disease, so undigested protein peptides can obviously also cause these symptoms. IMO, they don't cause the symptoms directly, though - instead, they cause them by generating inflammation, which forces the small intestine to reduce enzyme production, until the enteritis is past. Without an adequate supply of the necessary enzymes, sugars, proteins, and fats cannot be properly digested.
As Harma mentioned, as our intestines begin to heal, our digestion improves, and the gas will eventually no longer be a problem, (except at normal levels, of course). In the meantime, minimizing sugar intake, (all forms of sugar, including lactose, sucrose, and fructose), and reducing fiber intake,will help to reduce the generation of excessive amounts of gas.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I have been dealing with microscopic lymphocytic colitis for 8 months and have moved beyond the diarrhea and am no longer on medication. I am gluten free, dairy free, raw veggie and fruit free, eat no spices, eat few meats. I can tolerate homemade veg. soup in small quantities, bananas, Chex cereals with Almond milk, and peanut butter on gluten free bread. In fact, peanut butter has been my lifesaver as it slows down everything in my intestines so I only have about 4 to 6 bowel movements a day if I am lucky. I take Peptobismol and Tums for indigestion. But the massive problem with flatulence is driving me nuts. It is a major major major problem. Nothing seems to help and it doesn't seem to be tied to anything I eat. It is worse if I eat veg soup but I know I need the veggies - can't live on peanut butter only. But if I know I have to leave the house to go somewhere, I plan ahead and for a couple days, peanut butter on toast is all I eat, for fear of having diarrhea again. But the flatulence is such a terrible problem, an embarrassing problem. I see others have this problem also. It is not going away. What will help?
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Gabes-Apg
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gac
did you read Tex's post? - (the one above where you posted your question) where he explained the reasons for Gas and Flatulence?
something you are ingesting is causing the issue.
you dont mention what you are drinking - what sort of liquids other than the almond milk are you having
what veges are you making the soup from ?
one thought -is that there is too much sugar in your eating plan. check the sugar content of the chex cereal, the gluten free bread and the peanut butter...
Dont be too hung up on the belief that you have to have veges every day. If there is inflammation and gas, then you are not absorbing nutrients as well as you could be. The first priority is digestion with minimal symptoms.. if that means having rice and safe protein only then that is ok.
another thought - you may be reacting to something like Soy and/or Eggs and/or nightshades, if there are any beans, peas or other legumes, tomato, white potato in your soup, this might be why you are reacting to the vege soup. and when we are inflamed, many can not tolerate onions.
did you read Tex's post? - (the one above where you posted your question) where he explained the reasons for Gas and Flatulence?
something you are ingesting is causing the issue.
you dont mention what you are drinking - what sort of liquids other than the almond milk are you having
what veges are you making the soup from ?
one thought -is that there is too much sugar in your eating plan. check the sugar content of the chex cereal, the gluten free bread and the peanut butter...
Dont be too hung up on the belief that you have to have veges every day. If there is inflammation and gas, then you are not absorbing nutrients as well as you could be. The first priority is digestion with minimal symptoms.. if that means having rice and safe protein only then that is ok.
another thought - you may be reacting to something like Soy and/or Eggs and/or nightshades, if there are any beans, peas or other legumes, tomato, white potato in your soup, this might be why you are reacting to the vege soup. and when we are inflamed, many can not tolerate onions.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
I drink black coffee and water, rarely flavored water. That's it for beverages. Oh please don't take my coffee away from me as I desperately need it to fight off migraines.
I rarely have vegetable soup. Haven't eaten it now in over a month as it is making me sick. I am using frozen mixed vegetables that I cook for at least 3 hours before eating. I use a tiny bit of canned tomato sauce or canned tomatoes just to add a little flavor. I add rice or gluten free noodles. The only meat I can tolerate is oxtails, which probably sounds ridiculous to you but I love them. I've tried chicken, turkey, pork and all make me sick. I've tried eating rice and chicken with a little butter on the rice (so I don't gag on the rice) and I throw that up. I can eat baked white potatoes, not bakes sweet potatoes.
Do I have some kind of violent food allergies on top of everything else?????
Right now I only eat cereal once or twice a week, just for a little variety. The gluten free bread from Aldi is the best tasting bread I've found anywhere and peanut butter with a little strawberry jelly for extra flavor (or my source of fruit) is my main food source for every single meal, every snack. I occasionally have a few gluten free cookies.
I tried eating a tangerine, just because it looked so good and I love fruit and never ever eat it any more except for bananas and blueberries. OMG, will never eat a citrus fruit again as my diarrhea came back with a vengeance and I had to start medication again.
If the only thing I am eating is peanut butter/jelly/bread, then that is causing the gas. But I can't find any other foods to eat that don't make me nauseated (and I mean sick enough to vomit) or cause the diarrhea to start all over again. I hate being confined to the house again. I was a prisoner here for so long last summer.
My doctor tells me to lose weight, my cholesterol is too high, eat more fruits and vegetables, blah blah blah. I tell her I'd like to stop sitting on the toilet and taking expensive medication.
I rarely have vegetable soup. Haven't eaten it now in over a month as it is making me sick. I am using frozen mixed vegetables that I cook for at least 3 hours before eating. I use a tiny bit of canned tomato sauce or canned tomatoes just to add a little flavor. I add rice or gluten free noodles. The only meat I can tolerate is oxtails, which probably sounds ridiculous to you but I love them. I've tried chicken, turkey, pork and all make me sick. I've tried eating rice and chicken with a little butter on the rice (so I don't gag on the rice) and I throw that up. I can eat baked white potatoes, not bakes sweet potatoes.
Do I have some kind of violent food allergies on top of everything else?????
Right now I only eat cereal once or twice a week, just for a little variety. The gluten free bread from Aldi is the best tasting bread I've found anywhere and peanut butter with a little strawberry jelly for extra flavor (or my source of fruit) is my main food source for every single meal, every snack. I occasionally have a few gluten free cookies.
I tried eating a tangerine, just because it looked so good and I love fruit and never ever eat it any more except for bananas and blueberries. OMG, will never eat a citrus fruit again as my diarrhea came back with a vengeance and I had to start medication again.
If the only thing I am eating is peanut butter/jelly/bread, then that is causing the gas. But I can't find any other foods to eat that don't make me nauseated (and I mean sick enough to vomit) or cause the diarrhea to start all over again. I hate being confined to the house again. I was a prisoner here for so long last summer.
My doctor tells me to lose weight, my cholesterol is too high, eat more fruits and vegetables, blah blah blah. I tell her I'd like to stop sitting on the toilet and taking expensive medication.
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Gabes-Apg
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Gac
You dont have violent food allergies, your gut is inflammed, your body is deficient in key vitamins and minerals so your immune system is over reactive
Going through your list of items;
the black coffee should be fine. I handle black coffee ok. There are some that have had to give up coffee due to gut reactions
in regards to your migraines - it is very likely linked to magnesium deficiency
Canned tomatoes can be an issue - and the frozen mixed vegetables are a risk for contamination or to contain vegetables that you are reacting to
processed foods like gluten free bread can be an issue for many here, and I would strongly suggest you stop with the peanut butter and the jam, it is too high in sugar and would be one of the main things contributing to your issues
the same for the gluten free cookies.
when things are really inflammed, not many can tolerate any citrus. That is a common reaction.
my suggestion to improve things;
please consider making a soup that has the ox tail and some safe vegetables like white potatos and maybe carrot and one other 'safe vegetable'
no more than 3 vegetables. (no tomato)
stop the gluten free bread/peanut butter/strawberry jam/gluten free cookies for now
supplement with Vit D3 and magnesium
get the nausea and unsettlement reduced, and then maybe there are some other protein sources that you can consider
this approached has worked for many here. If you want to stop taking expensive medication, a really bland low amount of ingredients based on whole foods (no processed foods like bread/cookies etc) is your best bet.
have you read any of the other posts on the forum? if you read the success stories area you will see what others have done, how long it took and what they achieved.
It is tiring and frustrating that doctors 'dont get it' and such drastic food changes are being suggested, but I can only assure you that it is worth the effort.
hope this helpes
You dont have violent food allergies, your gut is inflammed, your body is deficient in key vitamins and minerals so your immune system is over reactive
Going through your list of items;
the black coffee should be fine. I handle black coffee ok. There are some that have had to give up coffee due to gut reactions
in regards to your migraines - it is very likely linked to magnesium deficiency
Canned tomatoes can be an issue - and the frozen mixed vegetables are a risk for contamination or to contain vegetables that you are reacting to
processed foods like gluten free bread can be an issue for many here, and I would strongly suggest you stop with the peanut butter and the jam, it is too high in sugar and would be one of the main things contributing to your issues
the same for the gluten free cookies.
when things are really inflammed, not many can tolerate any citrus. That is a common reaction.
my suggestion to improve things;
please consider making a soup that has the ox tail and some safe vegetables like white potatos and maybe carrot and one other 'safe vegetable'
no more than 3 vegetables. (no tomato)
stop the gluten free bread/peanut butter/strawberry jam/gluten free cookies for now
supplement with Vit D3 and magnesium
get the nausea and unsettlement reduced, and then maybe there are some other protein sources that you can consider
this approached has worked for many here. If you want to stop taking expensive medication, a really bland low amount of ingredients based on whole foods (no processed foods like bread/cookies etc) is your best bet.
have you read any of the other posts on the forum? if you read the success stories area you will see what others have done, how long it took and what they achieved.
It is tiring and frustrating that doctors 'dont get it' and such drastic food changes are being suggested, but I can only assure you that it is worth the effort.
hope this helpes
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
When you mentioned migraines that immediately tipped me off to the root cause of your inability to find food that doesn't gag you or cause D.gac wrote:Do I have some kind of violent food allergies on top of everything else?????
Most of the D you are experiencing is indeed caused by the food sensitivities associated with MC. For example, virtually all of us cannot tolerate foods that contain citric acid while we are recovering.
But the reason why you are having migraines and nausea is a chronic magnesium deficiency. Remember the morning sickness that is so common with pregnancy? You are in a similar situation because that morning sickness experienced during pregnancy is due to a magnesium deficiency. In the case of pregnancy it's caused by hormonal changes that deplete magnesium. In your case it's probably due to the fact that vomiting and diarrhea deplete magnesium reserves in a hurry. The fact is, most people are magnesium deficient these days, and having an IBD makes the problem much worse. Not only does the disease deplete magnesium, but so do many medications used to treat it. Corticosteroids for example are notorious for depleting magnesium.
The suggestions that Gabes made in her post are excellent, and she is much better qualified than I am to advise you on how to get your magnesium level back into the normal range so that your symptoms can be resolved. Incidentally, coffee (and any source of caffeine) is a major cause of magnesium depletion. I went through an acute magnesium deficiency problem last spring, but after I resolved it by taking more magnesium I was fine, until recently when I decided to boost my morning coffee intake from 2 cups to 3. It only took 2 days before I woke up in the wee hours of the morning having an acute magnesium deficiency episode. IOW, that episode started in the wee hours of the morning because that's when my body ran out of magnesium.
I take 500 mg of magnesium every day, so my problem was not due to inadequate magnesium intake — my problem is a reduced ability to absorb it. Part of my terminal ileum and my entire colon were surgically removed 6 years ago, and magnesium is mostly absorbed in the terminal ileum and the colon. However, for everyone, MC inflames the terminal ileum and the colon, and that inflammation causes some serious malabsorption problems. So that's why all of us are magnesium deficient.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Very interesting all! Monday, I started having excessive gas. I'm starting to see a pattern. I'm good on my gut 3 weeks out of a month. But one week out of the month, my gut flares! It's typically prior to my period. It drives me crazy because I look at my food journal and see no new food that could cause it. Finally, when I start my period, it subsides and back to what's "normal". The question is how can I fix this, besides menopause which I'm patiently waiting on! Could extra magnesium help?? Sadly I can't tolerate that drs best chelated mag pill, only oil. I'm just wondering if I should take it anyway during this time cause I can't get rid of the gas? Also, when I have this gas, my reflux comes back. So I'm back on the betaine. Lack of enzymes for digestion......
Yes gas to me is worse than WD! Thanks guys!!
Yes gas to me is worse than WD! Thanks guys!!
Martha E.
Philippians 4:13
Jul 2008 took Clindamycin for a Sinus infection that forever changed my life
Dec 2014 MC Dx
Jul 15, 2015 Elimination Diet
Aug 17, 2015 Enterolab Test
Dec 2015 Reflux
Sept 2016 IC
Philippians 4:13
Jul 2008 took Clindamycin for a Sinus infection that forever changed my life
Dec 2014 MC Dx
Jul 15, 2015 Elimination Diet
Aug 17, 2015 Enterolab Test
Dec 2015 Reflux
Sept 2016 IC
Martha,
Did you see this? I posted this in another thread a week or so ago:
Tex
Did you see this? I posted this in another thread a week or so ago:
So theoretically at least . . . yes, more magnesium should help. lf you have problems with oral magnesium then you might be better off with more topical applications or adding Epsom salts to bath water when you need a boost in your magnesium level. Can you eat chocolate? Chocolate is a source of magnesium and that's one of the reasons why so many women crave chocolate sometimes.Erica,
I'm afraid it's even more complicated. Hormones affect magnesium levels, according to Dr. Carolyn Dean.
How low magnesium is affecting your hormonal balanceMagnesium levels fluctuate during a woman’s cycle. The higher the estrogen or progesterone, the lower the magnesium. During the second half of the menstrual cycle, when both estrogen and progesterone are elevated, magnesium plummets. This can result in spasms in the brain arteries — a prelude to PMS and migraines. Increasing dietary and supplemental magnesium can help relieve PMS-related symptoms, such as headaches, bloating, low blood sugar, dizziness, fluid retention and sugar cravings.
Tex
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
No I think I missed your post, interesting. I'm trying to catch up. I do crave chocolate and sodas (sugar, sugar) one week out of every month. Also, slight headache. Use to be migraines prior to my mag oil. After that I'm fine, I could care less about any of those....
Man I wish I could take those mag pills, the inactive ingredients probably. It causes D, but not too bad...
Thank you Tex!
Man I wish I could take those mag pills, the inactive ingredients probably. It causes D, but not too bad...
Thank you Tex!
Martha E.
Philippians 4:13
Jul 2008 took Clindamycin for a Sinus infection that forever changed my life
Dec 2014 MC Dx
Jul 15, 2015 Elimination Diet
Aug 17, 2015 Enterolab Test
Dec 2015 Reflux
Sept 2016 IC
Philippians 4:13
Jul 2008 took Clindamycin for a Sinus infection that forever changed my life
Dec 2014 MC Dx
Jul 15, 2015 Elimination Diet
Aug 17, 2015 Enterolab Test
Dec 2015 Reflux
Sept 2016 IC
thanks Terry, I've had to stop trying new supplements cause my gut isn't ready either. Now it's obvious this once a month thing occurs. I'm still doing alot better than I was though. I hope I'm on the up hill!!!
Martha E.
Philippians 4:13
Jul 2008 took Clindamycin for a Sinus infection that forever changed my life
Dec 2014 MC Dx
Jul 15, 2015 Elimination Diet
Aug 17, 2015 Enterolab Test
Dec 2015 Reflux
Sept 2016 IC
Philippians 4:13
Jul 2008 took Clindamycin for a Sinus infection that forever changed my life
Dec 2014 MC Dx
Jul 15, 2015 Elimination Diet
Aug 17, 2015 Enterolab Test
Dec 2015 Reflux
Sept 2016 IC