Hi all,
Does anyone have heard of the ImuPro test? Its a blood test used to detect food intolerances.
I visited a doctor, specialised in foodintolerances en I had this test done, but I don't know the results yet. It tests IGg antibodies of 160 foods. I visited this doctor because I still have arthritis/junction problems, although I have a strict diet (gluten-, milk- en soy free). I tried 7 weeks the low dose of entocort, but this didn't help me either.
I would appreciate to hear if anyone can give me some information about this test.
Sonja
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Here is A link it does make me curious but gotta leave for work.
http://www.imupro.com.au/
http://imupro.com/news/
Terry
http://www.imupro.com.au/
http://imupro.com/news/
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Sonja
this recent discussion and article may help.
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=21227
based on the experience of many here, my thinking is - the arthritis/junction problems are more likely to be linked to nutrient deficiencies than food allergy issues...
this recent discussion and article may help.
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=21227
based on the experience of many here, my thinking is - the arthritis/junction problems are more likely to be linked to nutrient deficiencies than food allergy issues...
Gabes Ryan
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Hi Terry and Gabes,
Thank you for your reaction with the helpfull information.
Gabes, I don't think my problems are due to nutrient deficiencies. Since a long time I use the by this forum recommended additions. I use a highly dosed multivitamine, magnesium in the good form, 400 mg daily, vit D3, fish oil, vit C, glucosamine, everything without gluten, milk, soy.
Or is this not what you mean?
Sonja
Thank you for your reaction with the helpfull information.
Gabes, I don't think my problems are due to nutrient deficiencies. Since a long time I use the by this forum recommended additions. I use a highly dosed multivitamine, magnesium in the good form, 400 mg daily, vit D3, fish oil, vit C, glucosamine, everything without gluten, milk, soy.
Or is this not what you mean?
Sonja
Hi Sonja,
I'm sorry to see that you are still having arthritis problems. Are you eating any foods that are members of the nightshade family (such as potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, and eggplant)? Many people who have arthritis symptoms find that avoiding nightshades is necessary to avoid joint pains.
Please be aware that most multivitamins and most fish oil supplements contain soy oil. Also, most magnesium supplements are labeled in a very misleading way. If the front label says "400 mg", the back label will almost always point out that this is 400 mg "per serving", and the "serving size" is 2 tablets (not 1). In other words, each tablet contains exactly half as much magnesium as the amount listed on the front label. Virtually everyone misunderstands this confusing labeling practice and because of it almost everyone actually takes only half as much magnesium supplement as they believe they are taking. Making this mistake myself was one of the reasons why I developed a severe magnesium deficiency last spring.
Please keep us updated on how well your arthritis treatments are working.
Tex
I'm sorry to see that you are still having arthritis problems. Are you eating any foods that are members of the nightshade family (such as potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, and eggplant)? Many people who have arthritis symptoms find that avoiding nightshades is necessary to avoid joint pains.
Please be aware that most multivitamins and most fish oil supplements contain soy oil. Also, most magnesium supplements are labeled in a very misleading way. If the front label says "400 mg", the back label will almost always point out that this is 400 mg "per serving", and the "serving size" is 2 tablets (not 1). In other words, each tablet contains exactly half as much magnesium as the amount listed on the front label. Virtually everyone misunderstands this confusing labeling practice and because of it almost everyone actually takes only half as much magnesium supplement as they believe they are taking. Making this mistake myself was one of the reasons why I developed a severe magnesium deficiency last spring.
Please keep us updated on how well your arthritis treatments are working.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Tex,
Thank you for your answer.
What concerns the nightshades: I ate quite often potatoes, but the other things rarely.
i'm so glad that I can eat patat and chips
I made a study of the multivitamins and supplements. everything I take is absolutely without soy, gluten and lactose and the magnesium is really 400 mg a day.
Tomorrow I have an (telephone) appointment with my (complementair) doctor. Like by all of us (I think) its complicated. In my situation the complication is that I had a lyme infection last year and was treated with antibiotics. I visited a professor neurology specialised in lyme in an very good academic hospital and he thought my complaints suits both lyme and sjogren. I had a liquor investigation, which was happily negative for lyme, so I don't have lyme borreliosa. He sent me to a colleque (internist) to find out: is it lyme arthritis or sjogren? But I think my complaints also can be due to MC. Thats why I decided (after talking to my 'normal' internist) that I first want to find out more about my intolerances. Thats why I had an appointment with the doctor (anthroposofic and complementair) who did the Igg bloodtest.
By the way: he also thinks about sjogren, because of my problems with dry eyes, nose bleedings and dry mouth. pfff
I'm reading at the moment about the rotation diet; its all so complicated.
The good news is: my intestines are doing rather well! And I'm still without entocort! And I'm no longer tired! Thanks to this forum!
I will keep you informed. Thanks again for evrything.
Sonja
Thank you for your answer.
What concerns the nightshades: I ate quite often potatoes, but the other things rarely.
i'm so glad that I can eat patat and chips
I made a study of the multivitamins and supplements. everything I take is absolutely without soy, gluten and lactose and the magnesium is really 400 mg a day.
Tomorrow I have an (telephone) appointment with my (complementair) doctor. Like by all of us (I think) its complicated. In my situation the complication is that I had a lyme infection last year and was treated with antibiotics. I visited a professor neurology specialised in lyme in an very good academic hospital and he thought my complaints suits both lyme and sjogren. I had a liquor investigation, which was happily negative for lyme, so I don't have lyme borreliosa. He sent me to a colleque (internist) to find out: is it lyme arthritis or sjogren? But I think my complaints also can be due to MC. Thats why I decided (after talking to my 'normal' internist) that I first want to find out more about my intolerances. Thats why I had an appointment with the doctor (anthroposofic and complementair) who did the Igg bloodtest.
By the way: he also thinks about sjogren, because of my problems with dry eyes, nose bleedings and dry mouth. pfff
I'm reading at the moment about the rotation diet; its all so complicated.
The good news is: my intestines are doing rather well! And I'm still without entocort! And I'm no longer tired! Thanks to this forum!
I will keep you informed. Thanks again for evrything.
Sonja
Sonja,
Many vitamin supplements, and some enriched foods, contain tocopherols (vitamin E). While it's possible to make tocopherol from other things, it is most commonly made from soy (because soy is a cheap source). Many of us have to avoid any products that include tocopherols on the label if we are sensitive to soy.
If I were in your situation I would avoid potatoes (and potato chips) for a few weeks to see if that helps to relieve the joint pain. It's safe to eat sweet potatoes, because they are not nightshades.
Lyme disease could certainly cause arthritis symptoms. The disease can be difficult to detect with testing and there are several different types of tests, but if your doctors tested you with the most sensitive test, and your results were negative, then you probably do not have the disease.
It can take 4 to 6 months for IgG antibodies to Lyme to build up to a high level in the blood, but after that they can remain at a high level for years. I hope that your recent IgG blood test also included a test for Lyme antibodies, in case your earlier tests (last year) missed the disease. Obviously if you have antibodies to Borrelia burgdorferi that would explain why you have arthritis symptoms.
Thanks, we appreciate you letting us know how the tests came out.
Tex
Many vitamin supplements, and some enriched foods, contain tocopherols (vitamin E). While it's possible to make tocopherol from other things, it is most commonly made from soy (because soy is a cheap source). Many of us have to avoid any products that include tocopherols on the label if we are sensitive to soy.
If I were in your situation I would avoid potatoes (and potato chips) for a few weeks to see if that helps to relieve the joint pain. It's safe to eat sweet potatoes, because they are not nightshades.
Lyme disease could certainly cause arthritis symptoms. The disease can be difficult to detect with testing and there are several different types of tests, but if your doctors tested you with the most sensitive test, and your results were negative, then you probably do not have the disease.
It can take 4 to 6 months for IgG antibodies to Lyme to build up to a high level in the blood, but after that they can remain at a high level for years. I hope that your recent IgG blood test also included a test for Lyme antibodies, in case your earlier tests (last year) missed the disease. Obviously if you have antibodies to Borrelia burgdorferi that would explain why you have arthritis symptoms.
Thanks, we appreciate you letting us know how the tests came out.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Tex,
Thank you for your answer.
I'm sorry, but I didn't explain well enough the lyme-question, because I wanted to keep ik short. I'll try again:
We have a cottage in the dunes, where many infected tics are. Each year we have tics (20 a 40 is not uncommon), but we always can remove them within 24 hours. If you do that, you are not infected. In june 2015 I discovered a tic, which surely was on my body for 3 days. The following day I was tested for borrelia, which was negative. (I was glad with the result, because about 15 years ago I was positive.) Then the test was repeated after 6 weeks and was positive, also the control test. I toke antibiotics. It's not useful to test again after that, because you can stay positive for years.
Since june my osteoarthritis complaints worsened and I also had problems with my nerves. As a coincidence I met a professor neurology, specialized in Lyme, and he advised me to investigate my liquor. I became his patient and he did the lumbalpunction. The result was negative: no lymeborreliose, but he thinks it can be lyme-artritis. He thinks my complaints can be due to sjogren or lyme, but I think they are linked with my MC, because they started earlier dan de tic was there. He sent me to a colleque internist, also specialized in lyme.
I don't want to go often to the hospital for all kinds of investigations, so I postponed it, after asking for advice at my own internist. Because I think my complaints are linked to my MC and my food, we decided I go first to a doctor, specialized in foodintolerances. He did the ImuPro blood test for 90 foods (Igg). I was positive for 10 allergens. Rather high om gluten 20 (has to be under 7,5). He thinks its high, because I didn't eat gluten for 15 months. I'm also allergic for barley without gluten and some other grains. And cerises, kiwi, yeast. And ridiculous high on sea bass (162). I ate it in a restaurant some weeks before and I had 3 days severe pain in my hand. So thats the good news: now I know that there is a connection between my food and my complaints.
I was very surprised that I was negative for milk (cows, goat and cheese) and soy, because I react on that food. Maybe because I didn't take it for a long time, but maybe also because its not IGg, but IGE. (I think it's complicated.)
This doctor gives me advices, which I follow, and he gives me natural medicines. It's nice that he takes notice of all my complaints (MC / nose, eyes / dupuytren / artritis and osteoarthritis. he thinks all my complaints are linked.
So one step further........
As soon as I have time, I'll check my food supplements!
Sonja
Thank you for your answer.
I'm sorry, but I didn't explain well enough the lyme-question, because I wanted to keep ik short. I'll try again:
We have a cottage in the dunes, where many infected tics are. Each year we have tics (20 a 40 is not uncommon), but we always can remove them within 24 hours. If you do that, you are not infected. In june 2015 I discovered a tic, which surely was on my body for 3 days. The following day I was tested for borrelia, which was negative. (I was glad with the result, because about 15 years ago I was positive.) Then the test was repeated after 6 weeks and was positive, also the control test. I toke antibiotics. It's not useful to test again after that, because you can stay positive for years.
Since june my osteoarthritis complaints worsened and I also had problems with my nerves. As a coincidence I met a professor neurology, specialized in Lyme, and he advised me to investigate my liquor. I became his patient and he did the lumbalpunction. The result was negative: no lymeborreliose, but he thinks it can be lyme-artritis. He thinks my complaints can be due to sjogren or lyme, but I think they are linked with my MC, because they started earlier dan de tic was there. He sent me to a colleque internist, also specialized in lyme.
I don't want to go often to the hospital for all kinds of investigations, so I postponed it, after asking for advice at my own internist. Because I think my complaints are linked to my MC and my food, we decided I go first to a doctor, specialized in foodintolerances. He did the ImuPro blood test for 90 foods (Igg). I was positive for 10 allergens. Rather high om gluten 20 (has to be under 7,5). He thinks its high, because I didn't eat gluten for 15 months. I'm also allergic for barley without gluten and some other grains. And cerises, kiwi, yeast. And ridiculous high on sea bass (162). I ate it in a restaurant some weeks before and I had 3 days severe pain in my hand. So thats the good news: now I know that there is a connection between my food and my complaints.
I was very surprised that I was negative for milk (cows, goat and cheese) and soy, because I react on that food. Maybe because I didn't take it for a long time, but maybe also because its not IGg, but IGE. (I think it's complicated.)
This doctor gives me advices, which I follow, and he gives me natural medicines. It's nice that he takes notice of all my complaints (MC / nose, eyes / dupuytren / artritis and osteoarthritis. he thinks all my complaints are linked.
So one step further........
As soon as I have time, I'll check my food supplements!
Sonja
Sonja,
Thank you for the explanation. The blood tests (both IgG and IgE) correlate with regular food allergies, but they do not correlate very well with the inflammation that causes MC. This is because the inflammation in our intestines is caused by IgA antibodies. That's why the blood test results for milk and soy were negative even though your MC reacts to them. You may be allergic to wheat and sea bass and other foods (as the blood test indicated), but that doesn't cause your MC to react. The inflammation that causes MC is due to IgA antibodies against those foods in our intestines.
Tex
Thank you for the explanation. The blood tests (both IgG and IgE) correlate with regular food allergies, but they do not correlate very well with the inflammation that causes MC. This is because the inflammation in our intestines is caused by IgA antibodies. That's why the blood test results for milk and soy were negative even though your MC reacts to them. You may be allergic to wheat and sea bass and other foods (as the blood test indicated), but that doesn't cause your MC to react. The inflammation that causes MC is due to IgA antibodies against those foods in our intestines.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.