GAS!!!

[gac]

I already take 500 mg magnesium daily. I am taking peptobismal for indigestion and diarrhea on top of the expensive prescription for this crazy problem. I eat no sugar except the tiny amount in corn chex cereal and almond milk which is really small. I need to eat something besides gluten free white bread and peanut butter!!! But as much as I love food and would love to eat it, everything makes me sick - brings the diarrhea back and I am back on the prescription again. I am so disheartened by this. Chocolate seems to tear up my stomach and give me huge indigestion.

For a while I could tolerate some fruit juice and some fruits and some vegetables but I gave up on that months ago. I crave meat but it too makes me sick. What am I supposed to eat? Some kind of supplement? No dairy so most of those bottled drinks would make me sick.

Help.

[Lilja]

I can't have any so called gluten free products. It doesn't cause D, but a lot of gas. You mention chocolate, and both milk chocolate and dark pure chocolate with no milk or additives, give me gas.

Make sure that you really are taking 500 mg magnesium. If you have read other posts here, especially the one called "Thiamine" you'll see that the labeling on magnesium products are very misleading.

Lilja

[Gabes-Apg]

re the magnesium, 500mg elemental magensium is just on the RDI per day. if you are deficient this is not enough (and medications deplete magnesium so that might be another reason you need more than 500mg)

What sort of chocolate are you eating?

I get that everything you eat causes issues, but thus far based on what you have shared with us, the combo of things you have been having are not the ideal - so there is constant inflammation.

as we mentioned the best way to reduce inflammation is via high doses of Vit D3
and sticking with a bland easy to digest meat and vegetables eating plan until the inflammation reduces.

Things like accupuncture, relaxation etc can help with the nausea/sickness that some of the ingredients are causing you.
life with MC is a mind over matter thing, we have to retrain our brains and embrace a different eating style, and be at peace with it.

my previous reply gave reasons why the foods you are eating are contributing to the issues, and what you need to do

my suggestion to improve things;
please consider making a soup that has the ox tail and some safe vegetables like white potatos and maybe carrot and one other 'safe vegetable'
no more than 3 vegetables. (no tomato)
stop the gluten free bread/peanut butter/strawberry jam/gluten free cookies for now
supplement with Vit D3 and magnesium

with the level of inflammation you have, and magnesium deficiency, you would need to stick with this plan for about 6-8 weeks to see improvement - that is a tough gig to embrace i know, albeit with your situation it is your best way forward.

based on 10 years of experience of over 2000 people here, this is one of the best solutions to improve things.

the only other suggestion is taking a medication like cholestryamine or entorcort. NB these meds have still have limited scope of success if there is Vit D3 deficiencies and you still eat highly inflammatory foods.
If you have multiple AI issues then LDN is the other option, this is not the easiest med to get prescription for.

[crervin]

When ever I had extreme nausea it was due to histamine issues. I would think the peanut butter would have histamines. I'm just now able to tolerate a nut butter, and that's only like at most 2 tbs a few days a week. I start itching the back of my head after an hour of eating it too. But finally no more nausea. I'm using between 500 and 700 mg of mag oil daily. I truly believe that has helped.

Gac, do you itch anywhere or have a flushed face? Take some antihistamines (if you can tolerate corn, corn is in every pill) and ditch that peanut butter for now.

[gac]

Thank you all for your responses. I have wondered if the peanut butter could be causing problems, even though it has been the one food I could eat and not have diarrhea. OK, will stop the GF bread and peanut butter, although it saddens me. I ate GF bread and eggs yesterday and that tasted so good and at least I didn't feel sick or have indigestion from that. I know I'm supposed to limit eggs per week and have avoided eggs for that reason but I wanted protein.

Will have to find some other source in my freezer. Whatever leftovers there are seem to be seasoned with something and whatever those "somethings" are upset my stomach. Ground turkey, ground chicken although supposedly better for my health do not set well with me. Prime rib went down just fine with no problems. (Can't afford to do that very often.) Maybe will try making soups with chicken thighs or with my beloved oxtails. Carrots, white potatoes, and one additional veggie in my soup. See how well I can tolerate eating just that.

My problem is I am hungry all the time. Truly hungry all the time. I always hope the bread will fill me up and add bulk. Can I have GF crackers? cereal? mashed potatoes? anything to add bulk? or I will be wanting to eat every 2 hours.

[Gabes-Apg]

i think part of the reason you are hungry all the time is that your body needs protein. There is next to no protein content in the GF bread and peanut butter you have been consuming.
the fact that having eggs with the GF bread made you feel better is maybe telling you something about the peanut butter

as I suggested having the soups with chicken or the ox tails and few safe proteins is a good way forward.

for many here, having processed items like GF crackers or cereal is not ideal, as the ingredients (the various flours) make people react.
make up some snacks that include protein. savoury / paleo muffins based on coconut flour, mince meat small, amt of vegetables.
Eating cold cooked meats as snacks.

if you want to get well, I would suggest you give away what is in your freezer and make up soups and stews based on the meats you can handle.

another thing is protein shakes, i use a rice powder based one, another member has used a hemp powder protein powder. mix with coconut water.
the other aspect - are you drinking water during the day?? part of the hungry feeling could be related to dehydration....

You havent replied to my questions about Vit D3 - are you taking any. This is essential to managing inflammation and minimising symptoms.

[Gabes-Apg]

Some science regarding low protein intake and hunger pains
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... ger-pangs/

Researchers from the University of Sydney, Australia, tested three diets on 22 male and female participants. All three diets were made up of the same meals and optional snacks, but modified to contain 10, 15 or 25 per cent protein. Each subject spent four days on each one.

When on the 10 per cent protein diet, participants reported feeling hungrier in the 2 hours following breakfast than they were on both higher-protein diets.

The menu with the least protein also caused the volunteers to snack more. From the first day to the last, participants ate a 12 per cent greater volume of food overall on this diet.

[Gabes-Apg]

if you are having 20 grams of peanut butter with your gluten free bread - you are only getting 5 grams of protein in that meal

100 grams of chicken - is about 30 grams of protein
100 grams of oxtail - is also about 30 grams of protein
2 large eggs cooked - is about 13 grams of protein

[Lilja]

if you are having 20 grams of peanut butter with your gluten free bread - you are only getting 5 grams of protein in that meal

100 grams of chicken - is about 30 grams of protein
100 grams of oxtail - is also about 30 grams of protein
2 large eggs cooked - is about 13 grams of protein

Very illustrative, Gabes!
Thank you

Lilja

[Gabes-Apg]

Listening to a podcast this morning that featured a nutrition/dietitian PHD expert - she said that it takes 12 exposures to adjust to the taste of an ingredient

ie a food that you havent liked or had much of in the past, it takes 12 small tastes to then like it...

If you want to change your eating plan to optimise your health it will take a bit of mental 'mind over matter' and tenancity to embrace foods that you have avoided in the past...

[twirlitgirl]

Listening to a podcast this morning that featured a nutrition/dietitian PHD expert - she said that it takes 12 exposures to adjust to the taste of an ingredient

ie a food that you havent liked or had much of in the past, it takes 12 small tastes to then like it...

If you want to change your eating plan to optimise your health it will take a bit of mental 'mind over matter' and tenancity to embrace foods that you have avoided in the past...

that makes so much sense as I didn't like parsnip as a child but slowly I have added it in my eating plan over the weeks and have gotten to like it alot and it doesn't seem to bother me at all, it is nightshade free so I do what my wise Aunt always told me, " when you get good news, leave it alone" i.e. don't go trying to figure out why it is working , just go with it and celebrate. as another food added in the family of foods you can tolerate Ha!
I just want to live the best life I can and I don't look at it as so many foods out of my life forever, I look at it as more foods introduced that I can combine together in different ways to make an enjoyable , actually mouth watering meal , but that is what this journey has been for me,
individual taste buds and what works for your unique body. thanks Gabes for all your suggestions and advice , always means alot.

[gac]

Sorry I have not answered. This has been a difficult couple of weeks. I am recovering from rotator cuff surgery and have fibromyalgia and the pain has been way beyond what the doctor, PT or me expected. Just now beginning to feel better. Add to that I can take so little for pain because of my intestines. And the last thing I needed was diarrhea when I had to teach myself to wipe with my left hand and that isn't easy when my left hand has never known how to do anything ever before in my life. I've really tried so hard not to upset my stomach but it finally hit about two weeks ago and now I am back on the Entrocort and drinking Peptobismol like it is my favorite cocktail. My stomach is rebelling at everything.

I have managed to slow down the gas problem by slowing down consumption of bread/peanut butter. Yesterday when I was so very sick all I ate was dry corn chex and mashed potatoes and even that made me sick. Couldn't stand the thought of any protein as I'd spent the entire night in the bathroom. Today I "christened" Kroger's bathroom and will now go back to wearing the diapers again (which I hate). I thought after 10 months this was improving but obviously my gut is very unhappy.

The oxtail/potatoes/carrots was wonderful and don't ask me why anything as fatty/greasy as an oxtail does not tear up my intestines but it doesn't. It tastes wonderful and I feel full and satisfied. I ate it for two weeks and did really well. No real serious gas problems, no serious diarrhea. But the minute I stopped it, all of this started again. I even tried to puree some vegetables with rice - won't do that again as rice is no agreeing with me. Will try some kind of protein drink that you suggest as I know I need to get protein in me. It is suggested on this site not to eat more than 3 eggs a week. Since I am craving protein and even tho' I might have a cholesterol problem, can I still eat more eggs? I'll just tell my doc to put me on cholesterol meds to resolve this. I know I need protein!!!! I feel better when I eat it.

I will look at paleo muffins - not familiar with that. I have rice flour and some other gluten free flour I can use.

I am just really struggling with this and so sincerely appreciate all the info you all provide. My doctor provided LITTLE or NOTHING. Two months after my week in the intensive care unit for this, she told me to go ahead and eat anything I wanted to except gluten and dairy. If I had done that, I'd have been back in the ICU or dead. Your website has been a lifesaver so very many times and I go there often. A million thanks are not enough

[tex]

Hi.

I'm sorry that you're having a relapse of symptoms, and I hope that you can stop it soon. When I broke my arm about 11 or 12 years ago I was very lucky — I'm right-handed and I broke my left arm. If it had been the other one I would probably still be trying to learn how to work left-handed.

It is suggested on this site not to eat more than 3 eggs a week. Since I am craving protein and even tho' I might have a cholesterol problem, can I still eat more eggs?

I'm not sure where you read that, but I can assure you that it's not a general recommendation. Maybe someone suggested that to someone who is sensitive to eggs. But for the rest of us, unless we produce antibodies to eggs, they are an excellent source of protein. I eat 12 to 14 eggs every week. And eating food that contains cholesterol does not have more than a very slight effect on the cholesterol level in the blood. A lot of the old claims that healthy food is bad for us are nothing more than rumors based on incorrect assumptions by people who do not understand how the digestive system works. Eggs are a very healthy source of protein.

Here is a link to a long (9-page) thread that contains several versions of recipes for paleo muffins:

Paleo Muffins ???

Tex

[Gabes-Apg]

Sorry you had a tough time with the surgery

I am relieved that the oxtail and few veges meal works so well -

Animal fat is essential to digestion and healthy gut. It contains amino acids which are essential to healing. keep in mind that back 50 years or so ago when animal fat was the only fat consumed there was minimal cholesterol issues. Cholesterol issues only started when humans started to consume high amounts of plant based vegetable oils via margarine, processed foods, deep fried foods etc.

make sure you take good doses of Vit D3 and magnesium, you will need it post the surgery, and to aid the healing process.
and keep up the intake of fatty meat protein... as you have seen, it is what agrees with your body...

its about progress, not perfection. you are on a good starting point, hang in there.