Interesting Link about the meat & water eating plan

Mrs. Poopy Jeans · Post by **Mrs. Poopy Jeans** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:34 pm

Hello everyone, I've had a pretty darn good week, except for a surprising episode with my eyes. Went partially blind there for about 15 minutes especially left eye. Then had a headache on my right side for an hour. Eye doctor said I had an ocular migraine. Well two of them, as I had another episode that night. Seeing my neurologist next month to make sure that's all it is, considering my head history.

I am going to research this further but I wanted to get your 2 cents about it. Claim are it is the best way to eat and those who needed it, shed tons of weight. Is it a good idea to only eat meat and drink only water with nothing plant based allowed?

http://zerocarbzen.com/

Blueberry · Post by **Blueberry** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:55 pm

I can remember a low carb doctor writing about that, extra low carb dinning of only meat in order to help a stomach problem. The idea of the article was based around some ship wrecked sailors stranded on an arctic island with only seals to catch and eat. The sailors survived for months on the diet, and were reported to have great health when rescued.

Personally for me I've come to learn that some meats are problematic for my health. I'm reasonably confident that pork will cause me bleeding issues, and regular farm raised processed eggs are a problem also. So based upon my experience I imagine it to be a case by case situation. Much of our the meats and sea foods we buy today also are raised differently from how farm animals were raised and eaten by our grandparents and earlier relatives. It is something else I have taken into consideration.

I might add, in a gross way, I remember a person wrote in on the ship wrecked article, that he ate a "carnivore diet" and then went into detail about how perfect his stools were. He didn't even need toilet paper any longer!

There is of course the ketogenic diet, which is popular and similar to what is mentioned in the linked article. It's a diet were mainly animal fats are eaten, moderate protein and little to no carbs from plants. Some greens are eaten but typically small amounts. There is a I guess it could be said a Hollywood web sight that promotes the benefits of the ketogenic diet called Charlies Foundation. There studies on the keto diet can be found, with the diet potentially helping with epilepsy, cancer, depression, weight loss I believe also, etc.

http://www.charliefoundation.org

Post by **tex** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:44 pm

Sandi.

I had major problems with migraines before I recovered. After I changed my diet they faded away as my gut healed.

Then 5 or 6 years later I had some episodes of acephalgic migraines (visual auras that are not followed by a headache). I eventually tracked the cause down to MSG in some corn chips that I was eating at the time. After I started avoiding all sources of MSG I stopped having them.

Tex

JFR · Post by **JFR** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:54 am

I have eaten a ketogenic diet for years. For me that means meat, fish, low carb veggies mostly greens, and healthy fats (coconut oil, olive oil, ghee). Along with avoiding all my food sensitivities it is what works best for me. It took about 2 years of healing before I could add in too many vegetable but now I can eat salads. Fiber no longer seems to be a big problem but it used to be. Early on in my healing process zero carb worked for me. For a while I ate only ground lamb. The list of health problems that eating this way has resolved for me is long. I strictly avoid all grains, dairy, soy (and other legumes) eggs, chicken, sugar and other sweeteners and fruit. I eat only real foods, single ingredient foods (no labels to read) and do not eat in restaurants. Along with MC here are the health problems that have gone away:

depression
asthma
dry eye
high blood pressure
obesity (115 pounds less than at my highest weight)
seasonal allergies (mostly gone)
arthritis
Interstitial cystitis
rosacea
elevated blood sugar (probably diabetic or at least prediabetic)

There's probably more that I am forgetting. For me this way of eating is magical. Not only am I not tempted to eat any other way. I consider the foods I avoid as poisons which makes it easy not to eat them.

Jean

Blueberry · Post by **Blueberry** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:37 am

If you do not want to go the extreme of the ketogenic diet, there is also a rice diet developed at Duke University that is reported to be magical in relieving many ailments, similar as you mention Jean. I suspect most of the benefit comes from avoiding wheat gluten.

"The Rice Diet Solution"

http://www.amazon.com/Rice-Solution-Kit ... =rice+diet

The New York Times bestseller. Before Atkins, before the low-carb craze, before counting calories, there was the Rice Diet Program.

Founded by a pioneering Duke University physician in 1939, the Rice Diet Program has been helping dieters lose weight quickly, successfully, and permanently. Now, this world-renowned, medicallyapproved weight-loss method can help everyone across the world--and not just those who travel to Durham, North Carolina.

The Program offers a high-complex-carb, low-fat, and low-sodium diet that sheds excess body fat at an astounding rate. On average, men lost 28 to 30 pounds per month, and women lost 19 to 20 pounds per month. The diet also cleanses the body of water bloat and toxins, and has been seen to help with such chronic health problems as heart disease, diabetes, and hypertension. Included are hundreds of delicious, easy-to-fix recipes.

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:57 pm

based on my experience and from the stories shared by many members here, no 'fixed' eating plan works for MC.
we have to tweak/adapt to suit our sensitivities, and reactions

Everyone is different, and science is proving that

In a study of almost 1000 participants, the results of which were published in November in Cell, scientists found that each person metabolises food very differently and that our gut microbiota has some say in this huge variability between individuals.

http://www.gutmicrobiotaforhealth.com/e ... ave-on-us/

Some people have had negative reactions to ketogenic diet, and this has caused some negative press.

my advice in the early stages of MC healing is listen to your body! find ingredients that are readily accessible, affordable, suit you and your hubby's cooking styles, and settle well (minimal symptoms) dont get caught up trying to align with a published eating protocol per say. Yes, take meal ideas and recipes from them.

not sure if you saw this post I wrote to Terre the other day

there are so many factors that impact inflammation reactions, and further to this, the bodies ability to heal.

nutritional deficiencies - basics like Vit D3 and magnesium
methylation cycle - this impacts a whole range of things in the body, cell health, use of B group vitamins, detoxing, inflammation reactions, adrenal health, thyroid health etc
environmental factors - lifelong impacts of diet, medications, pollution, biotoxins, and various other enviro factors,
stress - what emotional, mental, physical stress events have happened in our lives, and how we manage stress in the here and now
genetics - genetics are impacted by all the factors above - and the events of our parents before we are even conceived

the complex matrix of all these factors is why one persons journey is so different to anothers
why a med can work fantastic for one person and cause major grief for another...

right now, losing weight is not the main aim - coming up with MC management plan, healing your gut, reducing inflammation in the body, correcting key nutritional deficiencies that are individual to you is the main aim..

JFR · Post by **JFR** » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:17 am

I never consciously set out to follow a ketogenic diet. I consciously set out to improve my health and through experimentation eventually settled on a way of eating that just happens to be ketogenic. I also never intentionally set out to lose weight. I intentionally set out to improve my health. The weight came off in fits and starts over the past decade but that was never what I focused on. My focus is health and my method is research and experimentation based on what makes sense to me. Of course we have to figure out for ourselves what works best for us. For me it turns out to be a low carb paleo diet. Only after the fact did I learn that this is also can be called a ketogenic diet. Some people may view the way I eat as extreme. I view it as sensible since it keeps me healthy or at least a whole lot healthier than I used to be not so long ago.

Jean

Mrs. Poopy Jeans · Post by **Mrs. Poopy Jeans** » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:58 am

I've enjoyed reading all your insightful comments. I like what Gabes brought it all down to about weight is not the issue....though we might see pleasant weight results. The main issue is healing the gut and everyone is different.

I have had a 6 lb weight loss and I am happy to say I had my first in a year ALMOST normal poop yesterday. I know it takes time and sure enough, the good ol' D came to town this morning.

BTW, I'm actually enjoying eating the way I do and haven't strayed. I have lamb in the fridge for tonight. How do you cook YOUR lamb. I like this way of eating because it's minimal and makes usually for an easy clean up. I used to explode the kitchen with lots of dishes but now it's one pot or two and then we're through.

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:35 am

weight loss came easily for me once the gut was healed, there was less nutritional deficiencies, other AI issues were no longer in chronic stages, I was in a good place mentally and emotionally and the other systems of my body - adrenals, immune, thyroid etc were all 'happier'

took me 3-4 years...

Congrats on the almost normal poop! that is your body giving you a hug and saying "this is what I want!"

what cut of lamb do you have??
if it is a lamb leg or shoulder roast, slow roast cook for hour or two (depending on the size) and then add peeled veges (coated with a bit of safe oil and salt) into the pan
if it is chops - fry with a bit of salt
or lamb diced up makes a fantastic stew - fill pot with home made bone broth, simmer veges, add diced lamb, salt, simmer for 40 mins.