Chocolate
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Chocolate
Yes, chocolate.
When I seemed to react to the Nestle's Chocolate Syrup, I just assumed that the problem was one of the other ingredients. After all, there are plenty of possibilities, including citric acid, artificial flavor, preservatives, xanthan gum, caramel color, and several dyes. None of those are ideal ingredients for someone who has MC, especially when so many are included in a single product. So reclassifying Nestle's Chocolate Syrup as a no-no for me was a no-brainer.
Then someone recommended the Enjoy Life Double Chocolate Chip Cookies. And of course when I tried them they weren't half-bad. First thing I knew, I was eating a few every day after they initially seemed to be OK. But the problem with us sugarholics is that if a few are good, then twice as many are twice as good. And so naturally, after a week or 3 I was eating a half-dozen a day.
I began to notice mast cell symptoms such as watery eyes, occasional hives, and throat congestion. I blamed in on tree pollen and started taking an antihistamine. But that didn't solve the problem and the symptoms became increasingly worse. My upper eyelids eventually started itching and my eyes were always bloodshot-looking. And I even began to develop osteoarthritis aches and pains (back aches. stiff neck, finger joint pains, etc.). I stopped eating a banana each day, thinking that it was causing a histamine overdose problem. But that didn't help either, so I decided to stop eating the chocolate chip cookies also.
Bingo! After a couple of days my symptoms began to fade away. After a few days I resumed eating a frozen banana each day with almond or cashew butter, and the mast cell symptoms have not returned. I have a hunch that pollen levels probably were part of the problem, but without the daily dose of chocolate I seem to be able to tolerate the pollen just fine (as long as I continue to take an antihistamine). I'll probably discontinue taking an antihistamine next week to see if I it's even necessary.
The interesting thing is that the problem/reaction didn't develop overnight — it took about 3 weeks before it became significant enough that I even noticed, and then another week before it became somewhat obvious. It took about 6 weeks before it got to the point where my eyes were irritated (burning), watery, and bloodshot-looking, and another week to get to the point where my upper eyelids were itching (right on top, as if they had a rash there). 8 weeks had passed when it finally dawned on me that the problem had to be more than just pollen, and since the only thing that I was doing differently was eating the chocolate chip cookies, I stopped eating the cookies (and the bananas, since they are also a source of histamine), and after a few days my symptoms were rapidly fading away.
But I can't be sure that chocolate is the problem (yet), because those Enjoy Life cookies contain other ingredients that might be considered suspect. For example, the flour mix contains rice, buckwheat, and millet. A few years ago, random spot tests of GF flours found on grocery store shelves showed that a significant percentage of millet flour was cross-contaminated with gluten. Now I realize that the package says "Gluten-Free", but that's just the manufacturer's certification that no gluten is added during the manufacturing process. It's highly unlikely that every batch of product is actually tested to verify that every package is GF. Most such products are randomly tested, to make sure that they fall within the 20 ppm limit for GF certification. It's always possible that a few packages out of compliance might escape detection due to the fact that it's practically impossible to test every package. And some of us are sensitive to buckwheat.
But there are other suspect ingredients. For example, there's that notorious "Natural Flavors" again. And xanthan gum (though admittedly xanthan gum has never seemed to bother me previously). But the bottom line is that I can't actually indict chocolate without further testing.
If I'm going to get to the bottom of this I may have to subject myself to an extended trial with chocolate chips (alone). That doesn't really appeal to me, but I reckon it might be worthwhile, in the interest of science.
Does anyone have any thoughts or insight on this?
Tex
When I seemed to react to the Nestle's Chocolate Syrup, I just assumed that the problem was one of the other ingredients. After all, there are plenty of possibilities, including citric acid, artificial flavor, preservatives, xanthan gum, caramel color, and several dyes. None of those are ideal ingredients for someone who has MC, especially when so many are included in a single product. So reclassifying Nestle's Chocolate Syrup as a no-no for me was a no-brainer.
Then someone recommended the Enjoy Life Double Chocolate Chip Cookies. And of course when I tried them they weren't half-bad. First thing I knew, I was eating a few every day after they initially seemed to be OK. But the problem with us sugarholics is that if a few are good, then twice as many are twice as good. And so naturally, after a week or 3 I was eating a half-dozen a day.
I began to notice mast cell symptoms such as watery eyes, occasional hives, and throat congestion. I blamed in on tree pollen and started taking an antihistamine. But that didn't solve the problem and the symptoms became increasingly worse. My upper eyelids eventually started itching and my eyes were always bloodshot-looking. And I even began to develop osteoarthritis aches and pains (back aches. stiff neck, finger joint pains, etc.). I stopped eating a banana each day, thinking that it was causing a histamine overdose problem. But that didn't help either, so I decided to stop eating the chocolate chip cookies also.
Bingo! After a couple of days my symptoms began to fade away. After a few days I resumed eating a frozen banana each day with almond or cashew butter, and the mast cell symptoms have not returned. I have a hunch that pollen levels probably were part of the problem, but without the daily dose of chocolate I seem to be able to tolerate the pollen just fine (as long as I continue to take an antihistamine). I'll probably discontinue taking an antihistamine next week to see if I it's even necessary.
The interesting thing is that the problem/reaction didn't develop overnight — it took about 3 weeks before it became significant enough that I even noticed, and then another week before it became somewhat obvious. It took about 6 weeks before it got to the point where my eyes were irritated (burning), watery, and bloodshot-looking, and another week to get to the point where my upper eyelids were itching (right on top, as if they had a rash there). 8 weeks had passed when it finally dawned on me that the problem had to be more than just pollen, and since the only thing that I was doing differently was eating the chocolate chip cookies, I stopped eating the cookies (and the bananas, since they are also a source of histamine), and after a few days my symptoms were rapidly fading away.
But I can't be sure that chocolate is the problem (yet), because those Enjoy Life cookies contain other ingredients that might be considered suspect. For example, the flour mix contains rice, buckwheat, and millet. A few years ago, random spot tests of GF flours found on grocery store shelves showed that a significant percentage of millet flour was cross-contaminated with gluten. Now I realize that the package says "Gluten-Free", but that's just the manufacturer's certification that no gluten is added during the manufacturing process. It's highly unlikely that every batch of product is actually tested to verify that every package is GF. Most such products are randomly tested, to make sure that they fall within the 20 ppm limit for GF certification. It's always possible that a few packages out of compliance might escape detection due to the fact that it's practically impossible to test every package. And some of us are sensitive to buckwheat.
But there are other suspect ingredients. For example, there's that notorious "Natural Flavors" again. And xanthan gum (though admittedly xanthan gum has never seemed to bother me previously). But the bottom line is that I can't actually indict chocolate without further testing.
If I'm going to get to the bottom of this I may have to subject myself to an extended trial with chocolate chips (alone). That doesn't really appeal to me, but I reckon it might be worthwhile, in the interest of science.
Does anyone have any thoughts or insight on this?
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi, Tex. I don't have any insight into your issue, but I do know that the Enjoy Life Chocolate Chip crunchy cookies are too good. I can't buy them because I eat too many. I didn't seem to have an issue when I eat them. I have eaten the Enjoy Life chocolate chips as well. My stool is different but other than that I don't think they were an issue for me, either. I hope you can get to the bottom of your issues.
Marcia
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HI Tex,
If you do this experiment try this dark morsel pieces chocolate and let me know how it goes. They are only cocoa and cane sugar.
http://www.vitacost.com/enjoy-life-mors ... -chocolate
I don't eat them in anything, and I only eat a few once in a while. If they do contribute to certain bodily symptoms I'd be interested in how your body handles them.
On a side note, I have been able to ward off my pollen infusion from my weekend yard work. Thankfully it only took 3 days with antihistamines day and night, eating safe foods and Vicks on the nose at night to get the system to calm down (Thank God).
Here's to Science!![/img]
If you do this experiment try this dark morsel pieces chocolate and let me know how it goes. They are only cocoa and cane sugar.
http://www.vitacost.com/enjoy-life-mors ... -chocolate
I don't eat them in anything, and I only eat a few once in a while. If they do contribute to certain bodily symptoms I'd be interested in how your body handles them.
On a side note, I have been able to ward off my pollen infusion from my weekend yard work. Thankfully it only took 3 days with antihistamines day and night, eating safe foods and Vicks on the nose at night to get the system to calm down (Thank God).
Here's to Science!![/img]
To Succeed you have to Believe in something with such a passion that it becomes a Reality - Anita Roddick
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
I have noticed something odd about different brands of chocolate. Chocolate made by Scharffen Berger does not cause me problems. Other chocolates such as Ghirardelli Chocolate sometimes causes a hive or two to make an appearance. I do not know why that happens, I suspect the "may contain" warning mentions, but as a result I stick with Scharffen chocolate.
This is the best chocolate I have ever had:
https://www.tazachocolate.com
My local food coop stocks it. Luckily it is absurdly expensive so I can't afford to buy it on a regular basis. I am a sugarholic. If a bar of this is in the house I eat too much too quickly even though I swear I will only eat a tiny square per day. It seems to cause no problems for me other than an intense craving for more.
Jean
https://www.tazachocolate.com
My local food coop stocks it. Luckily it is absurdly expensive so I can't afford to buy it on a regular basis. I am a sugarholic. If a bar of this is in the house I eat too much too quickly even though I swear I will only eat a tiny square per day. It seems to cause no problems for me other than an intense craving for more.
Jean
Thanks Brandy. I'm definitely suspicious of some of the other ingredients in those cookies, so maybe I need to test their chocolate chips. But of course if the problem is in the other ingredients then any good chocolate should be suitable for the trial.
Hmmmm. I just dug through a cabinet and found a couple of Lindt 90 % bars, one 85 % bar, and a Green and Black's 85 % bar. The bad news is that they expired in June of 2014. I wonder if chocolate lasts as well as expired pharmaceuticals.
The Green and Black's bar was open, so I tried a piece. I still looks as good as new. It didn't exactly taste sweet, but I don't remember how it tasted when I first tried it several years ago.
I have a sneaking suspicion though, that since my symptoms were in the form of mast cell reactions rather than D, The chocolate is the primary problem, and this trial is not going to last very long.
Tex
Hmmmm. I just dug through a cabinet and found a couple of Lindt 90 % bars, one 85 % bar, and a Green and Black's 85 % bar. The bad news is that they expired in June of 2014. I wonder if chocolate lasts as well as expired pharmaceuticals.
The Green and Black's bar was open, so I tried a piece. I still looks as good as new. It didn't exactly taste sweet, but I don't remember how it tasted when I first tried it several years ago.
I have a sneaking suspicion though, that since my symptoms were in the form of mast cell reactions rather than D, The chocolate is the primary problem, and this trial is not going to last very long.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Well done Tex for having chocolate in your cupboard and forgetting it. I have never experienced that phenomenon
I just wondered how those that list dairy or casein as an intolerance cope with eating chocolate? Is the 90% lindts bars and the green and gold choc. dairy/casein free? Or is it something that you can cope with only after you have healed a bit?
I just wondered how those that list dairy or casein as an intolerance cope with eating chocolate? Is the 90% lindts bars and the green and gold choc. dairy/casein free? Or is it something that you can cope with only after you have healed a bit?
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Yes, that's probably not a common situation, to find a forgotten hoard of chocolate. As best I can recall, I bought the bars to test chocolate, but they didn't go over all that well. Looking back, I believe that this happened during a time just before I discovered that my diet was being cross-contaminated with traces of gluten.
Yes, those bars are dairy-free. By contrast, most of the common types of candy use milk chocolate, and milk chocolate obviously contains casein.
The phenomenon you refer to (learned tolerance or induced tolerance of a known allergen) is somewhat common, actually. Many celiacs are asymptomatic, meaning that they are sensitive to gluten and actually have intestinal damage to prove it, but they have no clinical symptoms. According to some reports, some celiacs never realize that they have the disease unless it is accidentally discovered during an exam for some other reason.
I had to avoid casein back when I was recovering, but after a couple of years of healing I discovered that I could tolerate it without any obvious symptoms. But a few years later when I did an EnteroLab test, I discovered that my immune system produces antibodies to casein. It didn't cause any D, but it seemed to cause osteoarthritis symptoms. The osteoarthritis symptoms were very slow to develop though, so it took a while to figure out what was happening.
It seems that our immune system can learn to tolerate food sensitivities (without causing digestive symptoms), but the problem is that we continue to produce antibodies and that means that the inflammation continues to increase.
I have a somewhat similar problem with soy in that it does not cause D. However, late last summer I discovered that I was sensitive to soy by ordering an EnteroLab test after eating a bunch of peanuts that caused my digestive system to just stop working (a condition known as ileus).
Anyway, because of the antibody test results, I avoid dairy and soy.
Tex
Yes, those bars are dairy-free. By contrast, most of the common types of candy use milk chocolate, and milk chocolate obviously contains casein.
The phenomenon you refer to (learned tolerance or induced tolerance of a known allergen) is somewhat common, actually. Many celiacs are asymptomatic, meaning that they are sensitive to gluten and actually have intestinal damage to prove it, but they have no clinical symptoms. According to some reports, some celiacs never realize that they have the disease unless it is accidentally discovered during an exam for some other reason.
I had to avoid casein back when I was recovering, but after a couple of years of healing I discovered that I could tolerate it without any obvious symptoms. But a few years later when I did an EnteroLab test, I discovered that my immune system produces antibodies to casein. It didn't cause any D, but it seemed to cause osteoarthritis symptoms. The osteoarthritis symptoms were very slow to develop though, so it took a while to figure out what was happening.
It seems that our immune system can learn to tolerate food sensitivities (without causing digestive symptoms), but the problem is that we continue to produce antibodies and that means that the inflammation continues to increase.
I have a somewhat similar problem with soy in that it does not cause D. However, late last summer I discovered that I was sensitive to soy by ordering an EnteroLab test after eating a bunch of peanuts that caused my digestive system to just stop working (a condition known as ileus).
Anyway, because of the antibody test results, I avoid dairy and soy.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I can't seem to get past 70% dark cocoa, it is just too bitter for me.
I am beginning to learn that when my body is fighting histamine (as is the time of season now) and I try to drink my morning coffee with my dash of nesquick choco syrup that I am probably contributing to more flare from my immune system with the result being D. I don't like coffee due to its bitterness in black form so I suspect that ritual is on the sidelines until my mucus goes away.
I bet Chocolate just does this to us, even when it is safe for us at other times of the year.
Good Luck Tex, I know you'll get your answer soon
I am beginning to learn that when my body is fighting histamine (as is the time of season now) and I try to drink my morning coffee with my dash of nesquick choco syrup that I am probably contributing to more flare from my immune system with the result being D. I don't like coffee due to its bitterness in black form so I suspect that ritual is on the sidelines until my mucus goes away.
I bet Chocolate just does this to us, even when it is safe for us at other times of the year.
Good Luck Tex, I know you'll get your answer soon
To Succeed you have to Believe in something with such a passion that it becomes a Reality - Anita Roddick
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
I can tolerate only a couple (2) of these cookies myself, but indulge in half the box (chocolate chip ones, never tried double chocolate). My gut does so much better when I don't eat them at all.
I have noticed since the spring I can't tolerate them like I was in the winter. I never thought histamines from these.
I now eat a small hand full of EL chocolate morsals, but still need to heal from the pollen/stress/EL cookies I've went through to be able to tell yet.
As usual these discussions always help me! Thanks guys!
I have noticed since the spring I can't tolerate them like I was in the winter. I never thought histamines from these.
I now eat a small hand full of EL chocolate morsals, but still need to heal from the pollen/stress/EL cookies I've went through to be able to tell yet.
As usual these discussions always help me! Thanks guys!
Martha E.
Philippians 4:13
Jul 2008 took Clindamycin for a Sinus infection that forever changed my life
Dec 2014 MC Dx
Jul 15, 2015 Elimination Diet
Aug 17, 2015 Enterolab Test
Dec 2015 Reflux
Sept 2016 IC
Philippians 4:13
Jul 2008 took Clindamycin for a Sinus infection that forever changed my life
Dec 2014 MC Dx
Jul 15, 2015 Elimination Diet
Aug 17, 2015 Enterolab Test
Dec 2015 Reflux
Sept 2016 IC