Hi everyone,
Is there anyone here who tried Pepto Bismol and improved for a short time? Tex, I think you mentioned that this was your experience. . .
Thanks,
Marsha
Pepto Bismol
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Marsha,
You must be thinking of someone else. I only took it for about a week, and all it did was turn the liquid from brown to black. LOL. At the time, I didn't even realize that there was an 8 week program, so I didn't know that it was supposed to take longer.
Wayne
You must be thinking of someone else. I only took it for about a week, and all it did was turn the liquid from brown to black. LOL. At the time, I didn't even realize that there was an 8 week program, so I didn't know that it was supposed to take longer.
Wayne
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Hi,
Thanks for answering. I've tried and retried it three times now. The first time I took the full dosage only for about 5-6 weeks before I got pretty bad salicylate overdose symptoms (sleeplessness, sweating, fever) but was "cured" for about 10 days afterwards. The second time I tried a lower dose for about 3 weeks: cured for about a week after. Recently tried it again, same results; the length of time cured is proportional to how much I take, and for how long.
I wondered for a while if h pylori was a problem for me, since bismuth is used with antibiotics for it (and suppressed h. pylori even without antibiotics). But bismuth also suppresses other anaerobic bacteria that cause some of the fermentation in the intestines.
I think some of my few remaining symptoms might be related to fermentation and bacterial overgrowth. So I've just been reading, browsing the internet, mulling things over. Trying to understand how it is that some people (like you, Alice) are cured by Pepto Bismol, and others not. Trying to sort out the overlapping issues like immune system responses to gluten, gut permeability, bacterial overgrowth, etc.
So it's kind of a random question . . I'm not sure what I'd do with the information even if everyone answered. Alice, is there anything you can think of that made your MC situation different than the typical person here on the board, that might explain why pepto worked for you?
Love, Marsha
Thanks for answering. I've tried and retried it three times now. The first time I took the full dosage only for about 5-6 weeks before I got pretty bad salicylate overdose symptoms (sleeplessness, sweating, fever) but was "cured" for about 10 days afterwards. The second time I tried a lower dose for about 3 weeks: cured for about a week after. Recently tried it again, same results; the length of time cured is proportional to how much I take, and for how long.
I wondered for a while if h pylori was a problem for me, since bismuth is used with antibiotics for it (and suppressed h. pylori even without antibiotics). But bismuth also suppresses other anaerobic bacteria that cause some of the fermentation in the intestines.
I think some of my few remaining symptoms might be related to fermentation and bacterial overgrowth. So I've just been reading, browsing the internet, mulling things over. Trying to understand how it is that some people (like you, Alice) are cured by Pepto Bismol, and others not. Trying to sort out the overlapping issues like immune system responses to gluten, gut permeability, bacterial overgrowth, etc.
So it's kind of a random question . . I'm not sure what I'd do with the information even if everyone answered. Alice, is there anything you can think of that made your MC situation different than the typical person here on the board, that might explain why pepto worked for you?
Love, Marsha
Hiya Marsha!
Well, I am delighted to hear that you are trying to sort out those overlapping issues! It would go a long way toward understanding MC. Please share your thoughts as they occur. I agree that there are some key mechanisms in play that we just don't understand.
I am one who reacted violently to Pepto Bismol every time I tried even a single dose. I suspect that with my MIs, I was also intolerant to something in the PB - maybe that neon pink coloring???
Anyway, I notice that the 2 people who had good results with PB (CAMary and Alice) are not MI. Alice is only gluten-sensitive and CAMary is only gluten/yeast sensitive. Maybe that has something to do with it?
Please carry on with your detective work!
Love,
Polly
Well, I am delighted to hear that you are trying to sort out those overlapping issues! It would go a long way toward understanding MC. Please share your thoughts as they occur. I agree that there are some key mechanisms in play that we just don't understand.
I am one who reacted violently to Pepto Bismol every time I tried even a single dose. I suspect that with my MIs, I was also intolerant to something in the PB - maybe that neon pink coloring???
Anyway, I notice that the 2 people who had good results with PB (CAMary and Alice) are not MI. Alice is only gluten-sensitive and CAMary is only gluten/yeast sensitive. Maybe that has something to do with it?
Please carry on with your detective work!
Love,
Polly
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Marsha,
Pepto Bismol, as you are aware, I'm sure, does not actually "cure" MC. It only temporarily suppresses the symptoms, to make life more pleasant, while allowing the diet sufficient time to work. You just told us that it "cured" your MC three times, so I would say that it is working just as effectively for you, as it did for Alice and CAMary. Their symptoms are preempted by their respective diets.
The difference in your case and their's, is not due to a difference in response to P B, but a difference in the effectiveness of your diet. Their respective diets are controlling their symptoms, while yours, apparently, is not. There's still a missing element in your diet. I wish I could tell you what it is, but unfortunately, I don't have a clue.
Do you have a copy of all the endoscopies that you have been through, especially the most recent ones? There might be a clue in one of them that offers some insight to what is going on. Sometimes, (as in my case), the answer is right there, as plain as the nose on your face, but I would never have known it, if I hadn't asked for a copy of the right report.
Love,
Wayne
Pepto Bismol, as you are aware, I'm sure, does not actually "cure" MC. It only temporarily suppresses the symptoms, to make life more pleasant, while allowing the diet sufficient time to work. You just told us that it "cured" your MC three times, so I would say that it is working just as effectively for you, as it did for Alice and CAMary. Their symptoms are preempted by their respective diets.
The difference in your case and their's, is not due to a difference in response to P B, but a difference in the effectiveness of your diet. Their respective diets are controlling their symptoms, while yours, apparently, is not. There's still a missing element in your diet. I wish I could tell you what it is, but unfortunately, I don't have a clue.
Do you have a copy of all the endoscopies that you have been through, especially the most recent ones? There might be a clue in one of them that offers some insight to what is going on. Sometimes, (as in my case), the answer is right there, as plain as the nose on your face, but I would never have known it, if I hadn't asked for a copy of the right report.
Love,
Wayne
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Hi there,
Thanks for your thoughts. Yup, Wayne, the "cured" word shouldn't be taken literally, although the first time it happened I sure thought I was cured. Really it just means that what ever it is in the Pepto, after a few weeks time, has does something to cause digestive normalcy. Since bismuth suppresses h pylori, and other anaerobic bacteria, I'm guessing bacterial overgrowth is contributing to my symptoms. If MC inflammation is caused by different things (gluten for some, bacterial overgrowth for others, or combinations of things including food intolerances) it makes sense that some people are helped right away by a gf diet, or things that rectify the bacterial imbalance. Others, who might have overlapping conditions, would have to experiment a lot to discover what things help their particular situation. I'm repeating conversations from the board, though, sorry.
There you have it: a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Thanks Alice and Mary for you input. And Polly, too. Polly, the pill form of Pepto give me violent D. I read that it was the form of sugar in it - mannitol or sorbitol. The combined effect of magnesium and mann/sorbitol might be bad for some of us. I tolerate the liquid pepto fine, except that that the magnesium might be a little counterproductive for MCers.
I sure appreciate this board, and all of you. It's so wonderful to have a way compare notes with people who understand the trial and error, and the doctor interactions, and the weird diet, and everything, including the hypochondria. It's not that fun to be your own
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Marsha
Thanks for your thoughts. Yup, Wayne, the "cured" word shouldn't be taken literally, although the first time it happened I sure thought I was cured. Really it just means that what ever it is in the Pepto, after a few weeks time, has does something to cause digestive normalcy. Since bismuth suppresses h pylori, and other anaerobic bacteria, I'm guessing bacterial overgrowth is contributing to my symptoms. If MC inflammation is caused by different things (gluten for some, bacterial overgrowth for others, or combinations of things including food intolerances) it makes sense that some people are helped right away by a gf diet, or things that rectify the bacterial imbalance. Others, who might have overlapping conditions, would have to experiment a lot to discover what things help their particular situation. I'm repeating conversations from the board, though, sorry.
There you have it: a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Thanks Alice and Mary for you input. And Polly, too. Polly, the pill form of Pepto give me violent D. I read that it was the form of sugar in it - mannitol or sorbitol. The combined effect of magnesium and mann/sorbitol might be bad for some of us. I tolerate the liquid pepto fine, except that that the magnesium might be a little counterproductive for MCers.
I sure appreciate this board, and all of you. It's so wonderful to have a way compare notes with people who understand the trial and error, and the doctor interactions, and the weird diet, and everything, including the hypochondria. It's not that fun to be your own
.Marsha
Marsha,
Wayne is correct in that, although the PB treatment initially stopped the D (which is what I call remission) the gf diet kept me there.
I did the PB treatment under the personal guidance of Dr. Fine, which may have contributed to my success. We discussed my case at length in phone consultation. He was wonderful. This was 4 years ago when he still thought PB was the first line of treatment. It was only after I got his tests for gluten sensitivity that I started the diet.
Is this as clear as mud?
Alice
Wayne is correct in that, although the PB treatment initially stopped the D (which is what I call remission) the gf diet kept me there.
I did the PB treatment under the personal guidance of Dr. Fine, which may have contributed to my success. We discussed my case at length in phone consultation. He was wonderful. This was 4 years ago when he still thought PB was the first line of treatment. It was only after I got his tests for gluten sensitivity that I started the diet.
Is this as clear as mud?
Alice
Pepto Treatment
I tried the pepto bismol course once but I was not gluten free at the time and it did not help. I've been off Uceris almost a month and I'm starting to flare up. Marsha I was wondering if while you were on the pepto bismol were you also gluten free at the time. I'm going to try it again while following a gluten and dairy free diet. This stinks right before the holidays! I'm hoping it will help.
This thread was written over 9 years ago. Marsha hasn't posted in years.
The Pepto-Bismol treatment was developed by Dr. Fine, the founder of EnteroLab. Yes, as part of the treatment, the regimen calls for a GF diet.
Tex
The Pepto-Bismol treatment was developed by Dr. Fine, the founder of EnteroLab. Yes, as part of the treatment, the regimen calls for a GF diet.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Best of luck with the treatment. In Dr. Fine's trials, most patients were able to reach remission within an average of about 2 weeks.
Tex
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.