Pains Under The Arch Of The Feet... Erica P-G and others

Lilja · Post by **Lilja** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:18 pm

Hi,

I was convinced that now as I'm in remission and feeling so good, supplementing with all the right supplements for us people with MC, and especially after I was aware of ReMag (thank you, Vanessa!), following the strict diet etc, that all my symptoms would improve. Well, I'm not complaining at all, but there is one thing I don't understand.

And, that is the awful pains I experience in the arch under my feet. 2 years ago, I was convinced that it was due to lack of B-vitamins and maybe magnesium, so I started taking the equivalent of Metanx (thank you Tex, who gave me the recipe!), and Magnesium Glycinate 100% Chelated, and all the other supplements, but the pains still persist. Some days are worse than others.

Today I searched the archives of this discussion board (searched the word "arch") and found that Erica complained in two different posts about these pains. Then, I decided to search the internet, and it seems that it could be connected to a thyroid issue. http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/mu ... t-pain.htm

After having had CC for 6 years, I have never had my thyroid examined, because I had no reason to suspect anything wrong, and was too busy treating and enduring my CC.

So,

- how many of you have experienced pains in the arch under their feet?
- and how many have got a diagnosis of hypothyroidism after MC?
- and if there is a connection between MC and thyroid issues, how come?

I haven't checked the poll section, has a poll been done on this?

Lilja

Vanessa · Post by **Vanessa** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:58 pm

Hey Lilja,

I am so glad that you are tolerating the Re Mag! Others can chime in but I had pain under the arch of my left foot that I attributed to a running injury. But ever since I started doing epsom salt foot soaks and baths it has gone away. It really sounds like a magnesium deficiency symptom. Even if you had been supplementing with other forms of magnesium, it might not have been enough to get the therapeutic benefit or not as well absorbed. Under both feet? I would rub mag lotion or spray your Re Mag right on your feet. You can use your Re Mag topically just like magnesium oil. I'd bet after a couple of months of saturation your feet should feel better...I hope.

If you get your thyroid checked, ask to get your anti bodie levels measured. I was unaware that arch pain is thyroid related!

Lilja · Post by **Lilja** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:18 pm

Vanessa wrote:Hey Lilja,

I am so glad that you are tolerating the Re Mag! Others can chime in but I had pain under the arch of my left foot that I attributed to a running injury. But ever since I started doing epsom salt foot soaks and baths it has gone away. It really sounds like a magnesium deficiency symptom. Even if you had been supplementing with other forms of magnesium, it might not have been enough to get the therapeutic benefit or not as well absorbed. Under both feet? I would rub mag lotion or spray your Re Mag right on your feet. You can use your Re Mag topically just like magnesium oil. I'd bet after a couple of months of saturation your feet should feel better...I hope.

If you get your thyroid checked, ask to get your anti bodie levels measured. I was unaware that arch pain is thyroid related!

Thank you, Vanessa. I will get my anti-TPO checked as well. And I will certainly increase my foot soaks and the ReMag.

In fact, there is a poll on this board regarding MC and thyroid issues. The percentage among the members of the board that had thyroid issues at the time when the poll was made was high, more than 50%.

http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7783

The interesting thing is: What came first? The hypothyroidism or the MC?

I will have to check Tex' book and see if he has any theories

Erica P-G · Post by **Erica P-G** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:50 pm

Hi Lilja,
I had pain in the calves and arch of feet...the Mag VitD combo has calmed alot of that down. I did have another episode of one foot and arch ache but think it may have had something to do with my shoe and how I stepped off of something. I don't seem to get the foot/arch cramping I once did. I do not have any thyroid issues (at least I am not aware of any).

Soaking is Epsom helped quite a bit due to the warmth and mag. Then after a few salt baths, I shifted and rubbed mag lotion on my feet before bed for a while, probably quite a bit during Winter. Now since I have had some healing time and have been taking the mag quite a while, and the change to Re-mag with a little internal and external mag seems to be a good balance at the moment.

I'm going to bet the hypothyroidism came first with its deficiencies then the MC appear. Will be interesting to know if my intuition is on or not.

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:57 pm

Llilja
this article by Carolyn Dean may help you

http://drcarolyndean.com/2014/07/your-t ... -minerals/

Iodine: T3 has 3 iodine molecules; T4 has 4. So it’s safe to say that the thyroid can’t function without iodine. T4 or (thyroxine) is 68 percent iodine by weight, and T3 (triiodothyronine) is 58 percent.
Selenium: A necessary cofactor in the production of thyroxine (T4), It also converts T4 to the more active form, T3. A total 11 selenium-dependent enzymes have been identified as necessary for thyroid function and thyroid hormone production. If you take iodine without selenium, you can cause selenium deficiency. If you take selenium without iodine, you can cause iodine deficiency.
Zinc: Required for the synthesis of thyroid hormones. Zinc deficiency can result in hypothyroidism. Thyroid hormones are essential for the absorption of zinc. The hair loss attributed to hypothyroidism may not improve with thyroid hormone replacement unless zinc supplements are added.
Molybdenum: Molybdenum-dependent enzymes function in the oxidative system of thyrocytes (thyroid epithelial cells). They also play an important role in T3 (thyroglobulin) release from the thyroid gland.
Boron: Helps the conversion of the storage form of thyroid hormone, T4, to T3, the active form.
Copper: Plays an important role in the metabolism of the amino acid tyrosine, which is a precursor to T4 (thyroxine).
Chromium: Enhances insulin activity playing a major role in the regulation of insulin release and its effects on carbohydrate, protein and lipid metabolism. Conversion of T4 to T3 is influenced by insulin, so in a roundabout way, chromium helps this conversion.
Manganese: Required to transport the hormone thyroxine into our cells.
Magnesium: Calcium and magnesium must be balanced in the body to ensure proper thyroid function. If there is too much calcium, thyroid hormones can become diminished. Magnesium is the regulator of calcium absorption and utilization.

my pondering is, with the pyrolle issues (zinc deficiency /excess toxins) now that you have started to fix the magnesium deficiency, zinc levels, iodine levels, maybe you need the other minerals like molybdenum etc

Vanessa · Post by **Vanessa** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:10 pm

Oh yes....

I forgot to mention that I'm also on the Re Myte product to balance adrenals etc. I do not have thyroid issues. These extra minerals help round out the pack. I take 1 teaspoon of this daily and have tolerated well. This might help you too Lilja, maybe order when you need more Re Mag

Thanks Gabes!

Lilja · Post by **Lilja** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:33 pm

Gabes-Apg wrote:Llilja
this article by Carolyn Dean may help you

http://drcarolyndean.com/2014/07/your-t ... -minerals/

Iodine: T3 has 3 iodine molecules; T4 has 4. So it’s safe to say that the thyroid can’t function without iodine. T4 or (thyroxine) is 68 percent iodine by weight, and T3 (triiodothyronine) is 58 percent.
Selenium: A necessary cofactor in the production of thyroxine (T4), It also converts T4 to the more active form, T3. A total 11 selenium-dependent enzymes have been identified as necessary for thyroid function and thyroid hormone production. If you take iodine without selenium, you can cause selenium deficiency. If you take selenium without iodine, you can cause iodine deficiency.
Zinc: Required for the synthesis of thyroid hormones. Zinc deficiency can result in hypothyroidism. Thyroid hormones are essential for the absorption of zinc. The hair loss attributed to hypothyroidism may not improve with thyroid hormone replacement unless zinc supplements are added.
Molybdenum: Molybdenum-dependent enzymes function in the oxidative system of thyrocytes (thyroid epithelial cells). They also play an important role in T3 (thyroglobulin) release from the thyroid gland.
Boron: Helps the conversion of the storage form of thyroid hormone, T4, to T3, the active form.
Copper: Plays an important role in the metabolism of the amino acid tyrosine, which is a precursor to T4 (thyroxine).
Chromium: Enhances insulin activity playing a major role in the regulation of insulin release and its effects on carbohydrate, protein and lipid metabolism. Conversion of T4 to T3 is influenced by insulin, so in a roundabout way, chromium helps this conversion.
Manganese: Required to transport the hormone thyroxine into our cells.
Magnesium: Calcium and magnesium must be balanced in the body to ensure proper thyroid function. If there is too much calcium, thyroid hormones can become diminished. Magnesium is the regulator of calcium absorption and utilization.

my pondering is, with the pyrolle issues (zinc deficiency /excess toxins) now that you have started to fix the magnesium deficiency, zinc levels, iodine levels, maybe you need the other minerals like molybdenum etc

That is very interesting, Gabes. I do have a pyrrole issue, but I have only concentrated on treating the zink/ B6 relation. I will look further into your input.

Thank you, Gabes

Lilja

DebE13 · Post by **DebE13** » Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:31 pm

Very interesting..... I have thyroid issues and a persistent pain in the joint in the ball of my foot under the big toe. Very annoying. I take my B vitamins and magnesium and still have it, although not all the time. Wonder if it's related? Many of my aches and pains subsided and lessened after starting LDN but this one lingers.

hollyweb · Post by **hollyweb** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:19 am

Oh, this is so interesting! I've always, since a little girl, had very flat feet, cramps in feet and calves, and required orthotics. The past 25 years or so, I get tremendous pain in the bottoms of my feet if I stand for any length of time, or if I do anything repetitive such as jogging or treadmill (maybe it's just on hard surfaces). So, I have to keep moving "non-repetitively" to avoid 2-3 days of recovery time. I, too, was totally clueless that foot issues may be related to thyroid issues. For me, Erica is right; my diagnosis of Hashimoto's came first, then the MC diagnosis. Makes one wonder how long some of us may have had these conditions!

I have a little rubber foot massager that I bought at the California State Fair 10 years ago; I keep it plugged in under my computer desk. It's called the Med-Rub Massager 2000 Plus, and it really helps!

I've always heard that once you have an auto-immune condition, it's easier to develop others. Is MC considered an auto-immune condition? Am very interested to hear how things turn out for all of you. Wishing everyone all the best!

~ Holly

Post by **tex** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:15 pm

Hi Holly,

Yes, like all IBDs, MC is considered to be an autoimmune disease.

Tex