Question for the Paleo Aficianados
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Question for the Paleo Aficianados
Hi, I haven't had a chance to read any of the Paleo books yet (I am going to order them from my library). I was wondering how much protein (in grams) you typically eat in a day? I am kind of Paleo by default given my big range of intolerances, but I worry sometimes about eating too much meat. I try to stay with 3-4 ounces per meal and lean toward poulty and fish. Tx, Celia
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Hi Celia,
Karen is our resident cave woman, and Paleo diet expert, but unfortunately, since she achieved remission, she doesn't check in near as often as in the past. Polly tends to hang out in a cave too, some of the time. Hopefully, they can give you some practical advice on the topic.
For a while I was eating very close to a paleo diet, (except that I was eating potatoes, which are not a paleo food item). Some days, though, I ate nothing but meat.
To answer your question, I don't see why there would be any upper limit to the amount of meat that you could eat, either from an MC standpoint, or a Paleo diet viewpoint. The only real risk with eating meat as a high percentage of the diet, is the possibility of developing what is known as "rabbit starvation", which comes from eating a diet that contains too much lean meat, with insufficient fat. If you eat fatty meat, there is no practical limit. Believe it or not, there are many health benefits to eating a diet of this type. If you doubt this, read this article, which describes a year long test, under medical supervision, eating nothing but red meat:
http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson2.htm
Wayne
P S I once read an article where a clinical trial was done with some people who had high cholesterol, and associated problems. They were fed a diet of fat red meat for a few weeks, and at the end of the trial, they were much healthier than when they started, (cholesterol way down, etc.). Unfortunately, I can't remember where I found the article. I believe I posted a link to the article, but it may have been on the old board. Anyone remember anything about that?
Karen is our resident cave woman, and Paleo diet expert, but unfortunately, since she achieved remission, she doesn't check in near as often as in the past. Polly tends to hang out in a cave too, some of the time. Hopefully, they can give you some practical advice on the topic.
For a while I was eating very close to a paleo diet, (except that I was eating potatoes, which are not a paleo food item). Some days, though, I ate nothing but meat.
To answer your question, I don't see why there would be any upper limit to the amount of meat that you could eat, either from an MC standpoint, or a Paleo diet viewpoint. The only real risk with eating meat as a high percentage of the diet, is the possibility of developing what is known as "rabbit starvation", which comes from eating a diet that contains too much lean meat, with insufficient fat. If you eat fatty meat, there is no practical limit. Believe it or not, there are many health benefits to eating a diet of this type. If you doubt this, read this article, which describes a year long test, under medical supervision, eating nothing but red meat:
http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson2.htm
Wayne
P S I once read an article where a clinical trial was done with some people who had high cholesterol, and associated problems. They were fed a diet of fat red meat for a few weeks, and at the end of the trial, they were much healthier than when they started, (cholesterol way down, etc.). Unfortunately, I can't remember where I found the article. I believe I posted a link to the article, but it may have been on the old board. Anyone remember anything about that?
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Celia,
I don't exactly follow the paleo diet, but by cutting out my intolerances; gluten, corn, soy, dairy and rice, I'm close.
I never limit the amount of meat that I eat. In fact, it is probably 40-50% of my diet. The way I figure it, it's hard enough to follow my diet without imposing artifical restrictions on the things I can have.
Just my two cents.
Love, Jean
I don't exactly follow the paleo diet, but by cutting out my intolerances; gluten, corn, soy, dairy and rice, I'm close.
I never limit the amount of meat that I eat. In fact, it is probably 40-50% of my diet. The way I figure it, it's hard enough to follow my diet without imposing artifical restrictions on the things I can have.
Just my two cents.
Love, Jean
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Exactly! When our Paleo ancestors killed an animal, they ate meat, until it was gone. They didn't have access to the makings of a nice salad, nor could they open a can of beans. If they found a berry patch, they ate berries, (in season, of course). I doubt that they ever spent any time worrying about balancing their diets. Mostly, they were just glad to find something to eat, on a fairly regular schedule.
Love,
Wayne
Love,
Wayne
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Paleo *lite* by default here too.
Most of my meals consist of of something hunted or caught and complimented with a side dish of a fruit and vegetable. I eat small meals all day- it takes some planning but as Karen has said " never leave home without a pork chop in your purse"- and I don't.
Celia, welcome to this group of incredible folks. They are indeed so inspiring.
Love,
Joanna
Most of my meals consist of of something hunted or caught and complimented with a side dish of a fruit and vegetable. I eat small meals all day- it takes some planning but as Karen has said " never leave home without a pork chop in your purse"- and I don't.
Celia, welcome to this group of incredible folks. They are indeed so inspiring.
Love,
Joanna
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HAHAHAHA - the pork chop in the purse does come in handy, doesn't it!?
Celia, You are asking great questions - and you've received some good answers to the questions. There are two books that you can read that compliment each other well and that point out how being on a paleo diet does not mean just ONE thing - you can personalize it.........
The two books are Ray Audette's "Neanderthin" and Loren Cordain's "The Paleo Diet". The latter is probably more well known and receives more attention in the main stream media but I feel it is a marketing issue more than a qualitative difference. Ray Audette is less scientific in his approach and more colorful. You will learn a lot from reading both books.
Wayne and Joan both understand the Paleo Diet very well. They go about it there own way and think of it as a simple thing to do - and that's what it is. There is no need for measuring portions, servings, or grams of fat etc. There is no need for recipes or fancy preparations. You just open the refrigerator and eat what you have - if it is pork , then it's pork. If it's beef, it's beef. If the apples are falling off your trees in the back yard you eat apples - you eat what you have; what's in season. If you are hungry and you have food you eat it; if you are not hungry you stop eating. Again, don't measure things.
I make sure I always have meat, vegetables, and fruit in the refrigerator - in that way I can always prepare a healthy satisfying meal. No need to open a can of something or go out and grab some fast food.
Loren Cordain suggests eating low fat meat; Ray Audette suggests getting plenty of fat. I think there is general concensus that there is no upper limit to how much meat you are allowed to eat - as Wayne has already pointed out. Unless you have a kidney problem it is not dangerous to eat a lot of protein.
I eat all kinds of fresh meat: Beef, pork, lamb, chicken, turkey, fish, seafood, bacon - anything that is available at the grocery store without having been injected, marinated etc.
Your question is about meat but it is important to understand that the paleo diet asks not to eat any dairy, grain, legumes, refined sugar, potatoes.
I think you will enjoy finding your own way of doing the Paleo Diet - reading the books is a major eye opener and a great help in how to get started.
Love,
Karen
Celia, You are asking great questions - and you've received some good answers to the questions. There are two books that you can read that compliment each other well and that point out how being on a paleo diet does not mean just ONE thing - you can personalize it.........
The two books are Ray Audette's "Neanderthin" and Loren Cordain's "The Paleo Diet". The latter is probably more well known and receives more attention in the main stream media but I feel it is a marketing issue more than a qualitative difference. Ray Audette is less scientific in his approach and more colorful. You will learn a lot from reading both books.
Wayne and Joan both understand the Paleo Diet very well. They go about it there own way and think of it as a simple thing to do - and that's what it is. There is no need for measuring portions, servings, or grams of fat etc. There is no need for recipes or fancy preparations. You just open the refrigerator and eat what you have - if it is pork , then it's pork. If it's beef, it's beef. If the apples are falling off your trees in the back yard you eat apples - you eat what you have; what's in season. If you are hungry and you have food you eat it; if you are not hungry you stop eating. Again, don't measure things.
I make sure I always have meat, vegetables, and fruit in the refrigerator - in that way I can always prepare a healthy satisfying meal. No need to open a can of something or go out and grab some fast food.
Loren Cordain suggests eating low fat meat; Ray Audette suggests getting plenty of fat. I think there is general concensus that there is no upper limit to how much meat you are allowed to eat - as Wayne has already pointed out. Unless you have a kidney problem it is not dangerous to eat a lot of protein.
I eat all kinds of fresh meat: Beef, pork, lamb, chicken, turkey, fish, seafood, bacon - anything that is available at the grocery store without having been injected, marinated etc.
Your question is about meat but it is important to understand that the paleo diet asks not to eat any dairy, grain, legumes, refined sugar, potatoes.
I think you will enjoy finding your own way of doing the Paleo Diet - reading the books is a major eye opener and a great help in how to get started.
Love,
Karen
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living w/o gluten, dairy, soy, corn, and yeast.
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Thanks for the info everyone. I'm really glad that all of you have found a good way for yourself!!! Neither of those books are in my library system, but I was able to take a peek at the Paleo Diet at my health food store. This is pretty much the way I am eating with the exception of fruit. We only eat organic, free-range, grass fed type meats.
No to be contrary here, but I am still concerned about the amount of protein I am eating. The only longitudinal research study on diet that I am aware is called the China Study sponsored by Cornell. It is a super scientific study that took place over 30 years and it concludes that on all accounts people on a vegetarian diet live longer and are healthier. There's a book written about the study called something like "The China Study" by the main researcher on the project. On the other hand, my naturopath encourages me to have protein at every meal, and I know many doctors who advocate that from a metabolic standpoint.
I do agree with you all that everyone has to find their own way when it comes to diet. Everyone is biochenmically unique! There are so many divergent opinions that it can driver you nuts trying to figuring out the best way. I'm really glad you found your way! I'm still wondering but I will defiitely be looking at these two books. Also, I have no choice for the moment since I can't eat fruit or starches witout initiating a pain cycle.
Thanks again! Celia
No to be contrary here, but I am still concerned about the amount of protein I am eating. The only longitudinal research study on diet that I am aware is called the China Study sponsored by Cornell. It is a super scientific study that took place over 30 years and it concludes that on all accounts people on a vegetarian diet live longer and are healthier. There's a book written about the study called something like "The China Study" by the main researcher on the project. On the other hand, my naturopath encourages me to have protein at every meal, and I know many doctors who advocate that from a metabolic standpoint.
I do agree with you all that everyone has to find their own way when it comes to diet. Everyone is biochenmically unique! There are so many divergent opinions that it can driver you nuts trying to figuring out the best way. I'm really glad you found your way! I'm still wondering but I will defiitely be looking at these two books. Also, I have no choice for the moment since I can't eat fruit or starches witout initiating a pain cycle.
Thanks again! Celia
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