Since the beginning of my MC journey I have refused the vaccine and for the past two winters no flu no cold and that's
unusual for me but this winter I could get both who knows.
But in my e-mail today was my reminder to say no.
We have A lot of new members so I though I would post this link.
http://drsircus.com/medicine/intelligen ... 2-10832505
Terry
Flu vaccine? Not for me.
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Terry,
Separate from any risk of an adverse reaction (which I now suspect may be due in most cases to a magnesium deficiency that causes the immune system to malfunction, allowing a major mast cell event, as I explained in another post), here's a problem with many vaccination programs that I believe everyone overlooks:
In the early days of this board, many new members would only remove gluten, or gluten and dairy from their diet to see if that would be sufficient to bring remission. And often it would. But 4—6 weeks later they would typically relapse (due to other food sensitivities). So we know from our own experiences with food sensitivities here on this board that if we initially avoid only gluten, or gluten and casein, we may go into remission, but after the antibody production begins to settle down, our immune system will slowly begin to "discover" our other food sensitivities, and we have to remove them from our diet in order to remain in remission. Why did it take so long for our immune system to discover the other food sensitivities? Apparently because it can only concentrate on a single major antigen, and as long as the antibodies are high for that antigen, most other antigens will be ignored.
As evidence of that, during the early days of my symptoms and recovery, my previously serious hay fever allergy symptoms virtually disappeared. Apparently my immune system recognized that gluten trumped pollen because of the severe damage that gluten tends to cause in the body. After my gut had time to do some significant healing (so that the food sensitivity antibodies had declined), my hay fever reappeared.
Many vaccines are given in combinations these days, as a matter of convenience. But I have a hunch that this practice may not be as effective as claimed. I'm pretty sure that all of the immunity testing trials done for FDA approval, involve single vaccines (not combinations). More than likely (as is typically the case) all that a manufacturer has to do to get a combination vaccine approved is to verify that the combination does not cause an unacceptably high rate of adverse events. IOW, if it only kills or maims a small fraction of 1 % of the people who receive the combination vaccine, it qualifies for FDA approval. But I'll bet a GF cookie that no one ever proves that the combination provides the same level of immunity for all of the recipients that individual vaccines would provide. They just assume that it will work because the individual vaccines work.
Or, I could be all wet.
Tex
Separate from any risk of an adverse reaction (which I now suspect may be due in most cases to a magnesium deficiency that causes the immune system to malfunction, allowing a major mast cell event, as I explained in another post), here's a problem with many vaccination programs that I believe everyone overlooks:
In the early days of this board, many new members would only remove gluten, or gluten and dairy from their diet to see if that would be sufficient to bring remission. And often it would. But 4—6 weeks later they would typically relapse (due to other food sensitivities). So we know from our own experiences with food sensitivities here on this board that if we initially avoid only gluten, or gluten and casein, we may go into remission, but after the antibody production begins to settle down, our immune system will slowly begin to "discover" our other food sensitivities, and we have to remove them from our diet in order to remain in remission. Why did it take so long for our immune system to discover the other food sensitivities? Apparently because it can only concentrate on a single major antigen, and as long as the antibodies are high for that antigen, most other antigens will be ignored.
As evidence of that, during the early days of my symptoms and recovery, my previously serious hay fever allergy symptoms virtually disappeared. Apparently my immune system recognized that gluten trumped pollen because of the severe damage that gluten tends to cause in the body. After my gut had time to do some significant healing (so that the food sensitivity antibodies had declined), my hay fever reappeared.
Many vaccines are given in combinations these days, as a matter of convenience. But I have a hunch that this practice may not be as effective as claimed. I'm pretty sure that all of the immunity testing trials done for FDA approval, involve single vaccines (not combinations). More than likely (as is typically the case) all that a manufacturer has to do to get a combination vaccine approved is to verify that the combination does not cause an unacceptably high rate of adverse events. IOW, if it only kills or maims a small fraction of 1 % of the people who receive the combination vaccine, it qualifies for FDA approval. But I'll bet a GF cookie that no one ever proves that the combination provides the same level of immunity for all of the recipients that individual vaccines would provide. They just assume that it will work because the individual vaccines work.
Or, I could be all wet.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Gabes-Apg
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in my opinion, it is the inactive ingredients of vaccines that is the main issue, mercury and other preservatives.
thinking back over the years, I always had more issues after having vaccines. now i know my issues with clearing toxins/heaving metals, and in line with the recent article that our inflammation reactions to foods and other triggers could be due to the body being overloaded with Toxins, and how many people within this forum report the MC starting after a vaccine,
if the body is deficient in key nutrients, then yes adding in active virus's will put pressure on the immune system that can also cause excessive inflammation. the issue is not the virus, but the health of the body we are adding the virus to.
thinking back over the years, I always had more issues after having vaccines. now i know my issues with clearing toxins/heaving metals, and in line with the recent article that our inflammation reactions to foods and other triggers could be due to the body being overloaded with Toxins, and how many people within this forum report the MC starting after a vaccine,
if the body is deficient in key nutrients, then yes adding in active virus's will put pressure on the immune system that can also cause excessive inflammation. the issue is not the virus, but the health of the body we are adding the virus to.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Gabes,
Most vaccines use killed viruses. There are a few exceptions, such as the Sabin vaccine for polio which uses live (supposedly weakened) viruses.
Tex
Most vaccines use killed viruses. There are a few exceptions, such as the Sabin vaccine for polio which uses live (supposedly weakened) viruses.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
This is another excellent thread. In doing some research, what I've learned for the 2016-7 flu vaccine, is that it's indeed a "killed" version (which yes, would still be something new added to the body); supposedly, there are egg-free versions available for people with allergies/sensitivities to eggs, and it's also been stated on multiple sites that people can request a "single-dose" version of the vaccine, which is supposedly mercury-free (ie, the mercury is used as a preservative for multiple vaccine batches and not used in single, or one-time use pre-loaded syringe versions).
No one wants to get the flu. Those of us with mc and other auto-immune disorders obviously have immune systems already struggling; getting the flu would be harder for us, yet getting vaccinated may well do more damage to us. How to know what to do?
~ Holly
No one wants to get the flu. Those of us with mc and other auto-immune disorders obviously have immune systems already struggling; getting the flu would be harder for us, yet getting vaccinated may well do more damage to us. How to know what to do?
~ Holly
2015 Hashimoto's, MTHFR
2016 LMC, Malabsorption
2017 Lymphocytic Dermatologic Vasculitis
"I strive to live in my heart, not in my head!"
2016 LMC, Malabsorption
2017 Lymphocytic Dermatologic Vasculitis
"I strive to live in my heart, not in my head!"
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Gabes-Apg
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each person has to weight up the pro's and cons based on their individual risk profile.How to know what to do?
For me, I live alone, I work in a home office (healthy home office) with one other person and if either person is unwell then I can work for home.
I avoid events with large crowds (more so at times when there is flu occurring in the population)
I have contact with children, but will not have that contact if they are unwell.
Where people are in work environments that there is higher risk of exposure or have a family situation where they are at higher risk of exposure then considering the vaccine may be necessary.
In my recent temporary role doing the Census work, I was exposed to contact with people during flu season. The first hint of symptoms I increased my Vit D ( to the 20,000iu per day type dosage) , took extra Zinc and rested. I was able to keep major symptoms away and within 4 days was symptoms free.
others in the community (my sister for one) was off work for over a week and had symptoms for three weeks.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Yes, (but on a reduced scale), and that's the problem.Gabes wrote:but wouldnt the immune system still react to a 'new' arrival into the body regardless of if it is alive or dead?
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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jessica329
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I think it's an individual choice. I've always been the type of person to catch anything going around, and was continuously sick my whole childhood. I've gotten the flu vaccine every year since 2004. Last year, I never got around to it and ended up with the flu. It did a number on me. I have a child with special needs and can't afford to be down and out for so long.
Before getting my shot, I call and ask if it's mercury free. I then read over the manufacture's list of ingredients.
Before getting my shot, I call and ask if it's mercury free. I then read over the manufacture's list of ingredients.
Jessica
Lymphocytic colitis August 2012
Lymphocytic colitis August 2012
Yes it is an individual choice.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu ... 6-2017.htm
http://www.clintoncountypa.com/Pandemic ... stypes.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu ... 6-2017.htm
http://www.clintoncountypa.com/Pandemic ... stypes.pdf
What about the shingles vaccine? I'm at the age when they suggest it. The research I've done states that it doesn't cover all the strains (which is true of most/all vaccines). I've been told that it lessens the severity if you do get shingles. I've heard about those suffering with shingles, that they wished they had gotten the vaccine.
Your thoughts?
Terre
Your thoughts?
Terre
In my country, it is not common to take vaccines after you have taken the mandatory/obligatory vaccines during childhood. Very, very few do take vaccines after childhood. But, no one is advertising or recommending/urging us to take vaccines. We simply don't speak of it, and it is not mentioned in the media either. Maybe we don't have an aggressive pharmaceutical industry, or maybe we are just ignorant.
Lilja
Lilja
Collagenous Colitis diagnosis in 2010
Psoriasis in 1973, symptom free in 2014
GF, CF and SF free since April, 2013
Psoriasis in 1973, symptom free in 2014
GF, CF and SF free since April, 2013
terre
I did get the shingles vaccine A few years back and never checked into it but now I am more cautious .The flu vaccine covers 3 or 4 strains.
I did get the flu vaccine for quite A few years and still got the flu so that strain was not in the vaccine
If everyone believed their GI about food has nothing to do with MC where would we be now?
Lilja
That's interesting does your government have more control over the pharmaceutical industry than the US
Terry
I did get the shingles vaccine A few years back and never checked into it but now I am more cautious .The flu vaccine covers 3 or 4 strains.
I did get the flu vaccine for quite A few years and still got the flu so that strain was not in the vaccine
If everyone believed their GI about food has nothing to do with MC where would we be now?
Lilja
That's interesting does your government have more control over the pharmaceutical industry than the US
Terry