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Thanks Martha!
I notice the lumpy feeling more in the afternoon, evening....not saying that it's not there in the morning but once I really start feeling it I kind of get obsessed about it and dwell on it....bothers me more some days than others also. I did see that Dr. Dean had some thyroid supplements, but I want to have my endocrinologist do more thyroid test before I start taking anything like that.
I've heard a lot about Apple cider vinegar… What exactly are the benefits of drinking that?

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Mixed with water and heated up, it helps with digestion. If you have reflux without heartburn, you could not have enough stomach acid to digest food. A lack of sufficient acid causes reflux too.

You could try just a half a teaspoon Apple cider vinegar in a cup of warm water, to see if it helps. I needed a lot more acid, so I used the betaine pills. There is a protocol to try. I believe you take one in the middle of the meal, if it doesn't cause heartburn, the next time you eat, take 2 and increase until it causes heartburn, back down if it does....hope that makes sense.

It really sounds like reflux to me. That's when mine was bad, in the afternoon. It felt like I couldn't swallow. Very irritating. It would make me panic because I thought it was an allergy. Try chewing gum too. So hope this helps!
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Martha,
I'm a little confused...lol...you want to give yourself heartburn? Is that how you know you've taken to much?

Gum is not good for me, I have tmj.....👎 .....and trust me I miss it !

Thanks so much for your tips though!

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Lou Ann,

FWIW, back when I was reacting, some days when my symptoms were at their worst, I had TMJ so bad that I could barely slip a teaspoon between my teeth to eat soup. I'm serious — it was bad. But the TMJ faded away as my gut healed, and it has never returned.

Regarding finding the right dose for Betaine HCL, 1 or 2 of the words Martha chose to describe the process may have been unfortunate choices. The way that I would describe the process would be to take a pill before a meal. In about 10 minutes you should feel a warm sensation in your stomach as it promotes the production of hydrochloric acid (gastric acid). No warm sensation means that not much has happened. Next time try 2 tablets, and look for a warm sensation in your stomach. Increase the dose with each subsequent test meal until you reach the point at which you feel a burning sensation (rather than just a warm sensation). The burning sensation means that the dose was excessive (it resulted in the production of too much gastric acid), and the previous dose was probably your optimum dose.

Betaine HCL is usually not needed for small meals or snacks, but it can help with main (large) meals, especially meals that contain a lot of meat, in cases where stomach acid is insufficient for good digestion.

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Oh Tex....I can only dream my tmj would go away! At least I know there is hope!

About the Bentaine....how long would I have to take that before I would notice if it's working? And would you have to keep taking it after that? Also I would like your opinion on taking Beano before you eat...do you think it's even worth it?

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Lou Ann,

I just thought of something. Are you by any chance using a bisphosphonate? Bishposphonates can cause various adverse side effects and one of the more common problems they cause is esophageal irritation. They could probably cause an altered Z line and the feeling of a lump in the throat.

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Tex,
The only script meds I take are 10mg of Lipitor and 12.5 mg of lopressor 3x day for my pvc's.

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Once you get close to a suitable dose of the Betaine, you should notice improved digestion immediately (for that meal). The duration of use probably depends on how one's parietal cells respond, but it seems that most people who use it find that they are eventually able to stop using it (after a few weeks to a few months or so). Some only use it until they get their MC symptoms under control and after that they no longer need it.

The article at the link below reviews how to determine the proper dose (and how to determine whether you even need it) and how to tell when it's time to stop using it.

Betaine Hydrochloride(HCL) With Pepsin

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We have a few members who have claimed successful use of beano, and as I recall there have also been some dissenting opinions over the years. I never tried it. Once I got my diet straightened out and my gut began to heal, getting rid of gas was no longer a problem.

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Thanks Tex....I briefly skimmed over the information on Bentaine HCL.....I will have to think about that one after I reread it a couple times to make sure I'm understanding it and then decide.
I appreciate all your answers.

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Lou Ann wrote:The only script meds I take are 10mg of Lipitor and 12.5 mg of lopressor 3x day for my pvc's.
I've had abnormal heart monitor results only twice in my life. The first time was in 2010, during emergency surgery to stop massive internal bleeding. My heart began to show indications of a heart attack so they had to finish sooner than they had planned. Later, on a followup with my PCP, we decided that this probably happened not because of a heart issue, but because my heart was running out of blood simply because my total blood volume became very low during surgery before they got the bleeding stopped.

But the second time was much more interesting. In April, 2015, I went to the ER with an acute magnesium deficiency and they couldn't figure out what was wrong with me. Of course at the time, I didn't know what was wrong, either. On that visit, an ECG showed a new problem — a right bundle branch block. A couple of days later, I logged in to see my test data and discovered the low magnesium test result that the ER docs had ignored or overlooked. I almost tripled my magnesium supplemental dose and was soon feeling much better.

In August, 2015 I had a reaction to peanuts (my gut just stopped working) so I went to the ER again. Fortunately my gut started working again while we were waiting for the test results. But the interesting thing was that an ECG showed that the right bundle branch block was gone. IOW, it's pretty clear that it was caused by the magnesium deficiency, and it was resolved by resolving my chronic magnesium deficiency.

As you are probably aware, a bundle branch block is an obstruction of electrical signals in the heart. So I have personally verified the importance of magnesium for proper heart function.

You're very welcome. Those 2 medications aren't likely to have caused any of the symptoms we've been discussing. The only problem I had with metoprolol was that it caused my heart rate to become too slow at times, so I had to stop taking it. I was also taking lisinopril, but I've recently stopped taking it also because after correcting my magnesium deficiency my blood pressure has been significantly reduced. My systolic pressure now typically runs in the 110–115 mmHg range, at least 20–30 points lower than it was when my magnesium was deficient.

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I see my cardiologist on Wednesday....this is a subject I am certainly going to bring up. She usually takes me pretty seriously and listens well. If I could get a proper magnesium test and see what's going on for sure that would be a plus Because I surely would like to get off the lopressor.

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While you were posting, I edited my last post to add some information about those BP meds.

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Yes, if you could get her to order an RGB magnesium test that might be helpful.

I had to stop taking simvastatin after 8–9 months because the joints in my fingers began to lock up while I was sleeping and I would have to take the other hand to gently force them to fold down. It didn't happen every night, but probably about every other night. After I stopped taking it, it took several weeks to resolve the problem, but fortunately they're OK now, with no apparent permanent damage.

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Thank you...I will feel better going in with a name of a test instead of rambling!

I'm glad your hands got better, I bet that was scary.
I never got side effects from it , but I wish I would have said no to the meds at such a young age.....they stuck me on at age 40, so that's 10 years....👎 AND it makes me wonder because my cardiologist cut me from 20 to 10 and all my numbers stayed the same.....hmmmm
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