Hi all,
In June I had a Reclast infusion for my osteoporosis and in September the explosive watery D started after weeks of intestinal turmoil. I had been in remission before that, gf, df, ef, and cf. The Pepto Bismol treatment that I used the last time wasn't working so I am on Entocort, over 1 month now still 9 mg. a day. I have my good days and bad days still. I feel like I'm on a merry go round and I want to get off, this last flare has been so depressing. I worked out with a trainer for a year with weights to boost my bone mass, had the reclast infusion and now what good, if any, did the working out do me, the entocort is not good for people with osteoporosis. I am depressed, have barely gone to the gym since, mostly because I either didn't feel up to it or thought what's the point.
To top it all off, I use a keratin conditioner for my hair to keep up the keratin treatment I had done. I was in the shower the other day and the ingredients were staring me in the face, there is wheat protein and soy protein in it!!!! I have 2 different brands of keratin conditioner, both have the same ingredients in them. I started laughing then crying, what else do I have to give up?? Do these ingredients get into our bodies somehow?
I have to take the full dose of Entocort until I see the doctor in December, the way it's going I don't see myself starting a taper anytime soon. I have been very stressed out and I take valium. I'm thinking of asking for something else. Also, my local pharmacy found the eggless flu shot for me, I'm afraid to get it. Has anyone on Entocort taken the flu shot?
Thanks for listening,
Susanne
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Hi Susanne,
I'm sorry about the setback you have been experiencing. According to some research articles, the bisphosphonates are known to trigger MC. They don't trigger MC for everyone who uses them, obviously, but they are apparently a risk for many of us. Normally though, if an adverse reaction to an infusion is going to develop, the symptoms should develop relatively quickly. In your case, since it took a few weeks for symptoms to develop, the infusion may not have triggered your MC flare.
However, as you are now aware, the bisphosphonates are very, very counterproductive for bone health, as noted in my last post on the page at this link:
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=22654
IMO we will get maximum benefits for bone health by making sure that our body has plenty of magnesium and vitamin D. Those two essentials, together with weight-bearing exercise, and totally avoiding gluten, are almost always the optimal recipe for good bone health (and the prevention of osteoporosis).
Regarding your question about whether wheat and/or soy ingredients in hair conditioner can be a risk for MC patients, if you ask any mainstream "expert", she or he will tell you that they absolutely cannot be a risk. But I disagree. Here's a quote from pages 182–184 of my book:
31. Karande, P., Jain, A., Kaitlin Ergun, K., Kispersky, V., & Mitragotri, S. (2005). Design principles of chemical penetration enhancers for transdermal drug delivery. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 102(13), 4688–4693. Retrieved from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC555729/
I added the red emphasis about the chemical penetration enhancers (it's not in red in the book). Hair conditioners contain CPEs, just like skin conditioners. So if the hair conditioner can penetrate the keratin in hair, it can surely penetrate the keratin in skin (IMO).
I don't get flu shots, but depending on how significantly your immune system is suppressed by the budesonide, vaccines may not be very effective for you. Your antibody response to the vaccine will be reduced, but the tough question is, "How much will your response be reduced"?
It may or may not be enough to be significant.
Personally, I consider the flu vaccines to be only marginally effective at best, in the first place (and the older we get, the less effective they are), so in a way, it's kind of a moot question. The vaccine probably won't adversely affect you, but it may not be very effective, either. Of course none of this is chiseled in stone, because we are all different. As long as you are taking budesonide, your mast cell activity will be suppressed, so the risk of an adverse immunological reaction to the vaccine is very low. But that's also why your immune system response may not be sufficient to develop a robust immunity to the flu strains in the vaccine.
I agree that the stress you mentioned may well be a significant factor in your ongoing MC symptoms. Stress can make MC symptoms self-perpetuating. I hope that you can find a way to minimize the effects of stress, and break the cycle.
Tex
I'm sorry about the setback you have been experiencing. According to some research articles, the bisphosphonates are known to trigger MC. They don't trigger MC for everyone who uses them, obviously, but they are apparently a risk for many of us. Normally though, if an adverse reaction to an infusion is going to develop, the symptoms should develop relatively quickly. In your case, since it took a few weeks for symptoms to develop, the infusion may not have triggered your MC flare.
However, as you are now aware, the bisphosphonates are very, very counterproductive for bone health, as noted in my last post on the page at this link:
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=22654
IMO we will get maximum benefits for bone health by making sure that our body has plenty of magnesium and vitamin D. Those two essentials, together with weight-bearing exercise, and totally avoiding gluten, are almost always the optimal recipe for good bone health (and the prevention of osteoporosis).
Regarding your question about whether wheat and/or soy ingredients in hair conditioner can be a risk for MC patients, if you ask any mainstream "expert", she or he will tell you that they absolutely cannot be a risk. But I disagree. Here's a quote from pages 182–184 of my book:
Here is reference 31 from that quote:I have a theory to explain how the experts may be confused on this issue
The epithelia of the intestines contains vertically-elongated cells known as enterocytes, between which lie the tight junctions (the zonula occludens). After the digestive process breaks down molecules of food into peptides and individual amino acids, the tight junctions regulate the passage of these nutrients into the bloodstream. The outer layer of the skin is an epithelia, very similar to the epithelial lining of the intestines, except that it does not contain a mucosal layer (because there is no reason for it to be able to produce mucus). The skin is set up somewhat differently, in that instead of having a single layer of enterocyte cells, that surround the tight junctions, the skin is composed of multiple layers of keratinised squamous cells, but the tight cell junctions still play a vital role in the barrier function of the skin just as they do in the epithelia of the intestines.
Since the intact gluten molecule is too large to pass through the tight junctions of the intestines, it certainly would not be unreasonable to assume that it is also too large to pass through the tight junctions of the skin. The experts cite this as the reason why gluten in skin care products cannot cause problems. In my opinion, this is where the experts miss the boat, because unfortunately, this observation is totally irrelevant to the issue at hand.
The point is, none of us react to the gluten molecule when it’s inside their intestines, either. Actually, we react to certain peptides that are cleaved from the gluten molecule when it is broken down by the digestive system. Specifically, when the amino acid chain that comprises the gluten molecule is broken down by the digestive system, certain segments of the chain cannot be digested into individual amino acids, and some of these short to medium length chains (known as peptides) are responsible for causing the reactions associated with gluten sensitivity.
Though I don’t have the luxury of a well-equipped research laboratory to verify my theory, it seems rather logical that if these peptides can pass through the tight junctions of the lining of the intestines, then there is a very good chance that they might also be capable of passing through the tight junctions of the skin, as well. After all, this isn’t rocket science. And if any of the peptides should be successful in passing through those tight junctions into the skin, then there is a very good chance that they might also be capable of triggering a reaction of some type, because if the immune system recognizes them as foreign invaders when they are absorbed in the gut, then it will very likely view them as foreign invaders if they penetrate the skin, as well. After all, the same immune system that is so dedicated to protecting the tight junctions in our intestines is also in charge of monitoring the tight junctions in our skin.
Of course, skeptics will immediately raise a question regarding how those peptides might be present in a skin care product. I think the answer is rather obvious. Have you ever read the complete ingredient list on any of those products? They contain many, many ingredients, and some of them are pretty potent chemicals, with the potential to generate, or enhance, various reactions with other chemicals. It is quite likely, in my opinion, that one or more of those chemicals used in certain products, or the processing steps that are used in manufacturing the products, may be capable of partially breaking down the gluten molecule, to produce some of the same peptides that our digestive system produces when we attempt to digest gluten.
Furthermore, most skin care products are formulated with a chemical ingredient known as a chemical penetration enhancer (CPE) that’s specifically included in order to enhance the absorptivity of the skin. In fact, that's often a selling point and what it means is that the CPE is there to artificially force the tight junctions in the skin to open, thus allowing any gluten-derived peptides that might be present to pass through the tight junctions, so that they will have easy access to epithelial mast cells.31 Obviously, this could create the potential for a mast cell reaction and possibly other adverse immune system events if those products contain antigenic peptides.
Certainly, as the experts point out, just having gluten in the product would not necessarily cause a problem. But if the right combination of chemicals, or processing, is used so that the gluten molecule is somehow broken down into peptides, then clearly, an immune system reaction could occur, because the peptides would almost surely be able to pass through the tight junctions, triggering a reaction of some type. The reaction might be restricted to the skin, but depending on the chemistry involved, it might also cause systemic effects.
Probably not all of us would be affected, and not all skin care products that contain gluten would necessarily cause a reaction. To be on the safe side though, if you choose to use skin care products that contain gluten, and you are sensitive to gluten, keep the risks in mind and carefully test any skin care products that you might want to use, before wholeheartedly accepting them for regular use.
31. Karande, P., Jain, A., Kaitlin Ergun, K., Kispersky, V., & Mitragotri, S. (2005). Design principles of chemical penetration enhancers for transdermal drug delivery. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 102(13), 4688–4693. Retrieved from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC555729/
I added the red emphasis about the chemical penetration enhancers (it's not in red in the book). Hair conditioners contain CPEs, just like skin conditioners. So if the hair conditioner can penetrate the keratin in hair, it can surely penetrate the keratin in skin (IMO).
I don't get flu shots, but depending on how significantly your immune system is suppressed by the budesonide, vaccines may not be very effective for you. Your antibody response to the vaccine will be reduced, but the tough question is, "How much will your response be reduced"?
It may or may not be enough to be significant.Personally, I consider the flu vaccines to be only marginally effective at best, in the first place (and the older we get, the less effective they are), so in a way, it's kind of a moot question. The vaccine probably won't adversely affect you, but it may not be very effective, either. Of course none of this is chiseled in stone, because we are all different. As long as you are taking budesonide, your mast cell activity will be suppressed, so the risk of an adverse immunological reaction to the vaccine is very low. But that's also why your immune system response may not be sufficient to develop a robust immunity to the flu strains in the vaccine.
I agree that the stress you mentioned may well be a significant factor in your ongoing MC symptoms. Stress can make MC symptoms self-perpetuating. I hope that you can find a way to minimize the effects of stress, and break the cycle.
Tex
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Susanne
the hard part of life with MC is that there are pro's and con's to most of the treatment protocols. we have to remind ourselves that we cant do everything perfectly, each of us have to the best we can, and not get too overwhelmed by things.
re the conditioner - for some they can continue using those small amount of ingredients, for others they cant - each person is different.
for me I can not use hair products, skin products etc that have soy in them.
flu vaccine - i agree with Tex, for the small possible benefit it may provide I dont think it is worth the inactive ingredients (mercury and other preservatives).
my thoughts on vaccines is that people whom their methylation cycle is struggling and have unhealthy cells that struggle with toxins etc react badly to vaccines. healthy people have minimal reaction.
it is tough that we have to be so picky about ingredients and every product, and deal with multiple health issues/symptoms, and life now appears to be completely different to what it was 2 years ago, or 5 years ago. Dont be too hard on yourself, that is where the mental and emotional aspects of life with health issues like MC are important. to help us minimise the stress and be ok with what is.
this post in the guidelines to recovery has some books and audio resources that various members found useful
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=22350
and this book was recently recommended
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... ht=chronic
hope this helps....
the hard part of life with MC is that there are pro's and con's to most of the treatment protocols. we have to remind ourselves that we cant do everything perfectly, each of us have to the best we can, and not get too overwhelmed by things.
re the conditioner - for some they can continue using those small amount of ingredients, for others they cant - each person is different.
for me I can not use hair products, skin products etc that have soy in them.
flu vaccine - i agree with Tex, for the small possible benefit it may provide I dont think it is worth the inactive ingredients (mercury and other preservatives).
my thoughts on vaccines is that people whom their methylation cycle is struggling and have unhealthy cells that struggle with toxins etc react badly to vaccines. healthy people have minimal reaction.
it is tough that we have to be so picky about ingredients and every product, and deal with multiple health issues/symptoms, and life now appears to be completely different to what it was 2 years ago, or 5 years ago. Dont be too hard on yourself, that is where the mental and emotional aspects of life with health issues like MC are important. to help us minimise the stress and be ok with what is.
this post in the guidelines to recovery has some books and audio resources that various members found useful
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=22350
and this book was recently recommended
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... ht=chronic
hope this helps....
Gabes Ryan
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Susanne
I should add that when I got the flu this past Australian winter, as soon I had symptoms I took mega doses of Vit D3 and increased my zinc intake. Along with rest, I resolved the symptoms within 6 days.
I saw others including family members (some who had flu vaccine) struggle for months. (none of them have ongoing conditions like MC etc)
In the past few years here in Australia, the vaccine provided did not provide protection for all variants of the flu that were in circulation.
I should add that when I got the flu this past Australian winter, as soon I had symptoms I took mega doses of Vit D3 and increased my zinc intake. Along with rest, I resolved the symptoms within 6 days.
I saw others including family members (some who had flu vaccine) struggle for months. (none of them have ongoing conditions like MC etc)
In the past few years here in Australia, the vaccine provided did not provide protection for all variants of the flu that were in circulation.
Gabes Ryan
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"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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Thank you
Hi Tex and Gabes,
Thank you for your replies and suggestions. I never thought of the products that I use everyday. I get a keratin treatment once a year to combat hair frizzies and I color my hair for the grays. I use Clinique skin products because they are hypoallergenic. I have never had a visible reaction to any of the products that I use and never thought that it would be absorbed internally.
Tex, I found your microscopic colitis book and I have your book on Vitamin D on my Kindle. I just downloaded the book that Carol M recommended onto my Kindle. I take 5,000 IU of D3 and use magnesium lotion on my feet. I have magnesium spray but found it irritating and drying out of the skin. I probably need to work on the magnesium. I will visit the links that you both provided and hopefully find something that will work for me.
I took Fosamax for over 8 years and I had 3 Reclast infusions, I really feel doomed!! I use to "eat" Advil but I haven't had any since the initial MC diagnoses in 2011. I worked in a very stressful job right before I moved to NC and never had a major flare there. We have been here in NC for 1 1/2 years and this is my 3rd major flare. I won't go into all the details of what I find stressful here but I have to find a better way to deal with it. The gym I joined has yoga classes, maybe I should start taking yoga, to relax, that's a start.
On another note, LOL, I will never admit to who I voted for, for President, I don't like either of them. Hopefully we will get better healthcare, NC is down to 1 insurer and my semi affordable policy has a high deductible, it stinks. I was one of the ones that visited Canada's immigration page before it crashed!!!! LOL
Thanks so much for the information that you provided.
Susanne
Thank you for your replies and suggestions. I never thought of the products that I use everyday. I get a keratin treatment once a year to combat hair frizzies and I color my hair for the grays. I use Clinique skin products because they are hypoallergenic. I have never had a visible reaction to any of the products that I use and never thought that it would be absorbed internally.
Tex, I found your microscopic colitis book and I have your book on Vitamin D on my Kindle. I just downloaded the book that Carol M recommended onto my Kindle. I take 5,000 IU of D3 and use magnesium lotion on my feet. I have magnesium spray but found it irritating and drying out of the skin. I probably need to work on the magnesium. I will visit the links that you both provided and hopefully find something that will work for me.
I took Fosamax for over 8 years and I had 3 Reclast infusions, I really feel doomed!! I use to "eat" Advil but I haven't had any since the initial MC diagnoses in 2011. I worked in a very stressful job right before I moved to NC and never had a major flare there. We have been here in NC for 1 1/2 years and this is my 3rd major flare. I won't go into all the details of what I find stressful here but I have to find a better way to deal with it. The gym I joined has yoga classes, maybe I should start taking yoga, to relax, that's a start.
On another note, LOL, I will never admit to who I voted for, for President, I don't like either of them. Hopefully we will get better healthcare, NC is down to 1 insurer and my semi affordable policy has a high deductible, it stinks. I was one of the ones that visited Canada's immigration page before it crashed!!!! LOL
Thanks so much for the information that you provided.
Susanne
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for me, I used to react to getting my hair dyed etc (it can increase histamine levels) and due to my combo of health issues I have had to reduce the toxin load in my external environment, and given the amount of flares you have had since moving I am wondering if there are multiple external triggers making things harder /increasing inflammation.
things like pollution, mold, pollen, increased EMF, can all contribute to an increase of inflammation, along with any emotional, physical and mental stresses.
one thing I have learnt during my wellness journey, we can avoid stress, but we can change how we react and live with it. Ie things like yoga, mindfullness.
sometimes life can be 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it. that is where the books, audiobooks and other resources like podcasts are great, they can help you adapt thoughts, and emotions to have less stress and more calm.
from memory, clinique lipsticks do have gluten (or they used to 7 years ago when I was first diagnosed)
things like pollution, mold, pollen, increased EMF, can all contribute to an increase of inflammation, along with any emotional, physical and mental stresses.
one thing I have learnt during my wellness journey, we can avoid stress, but we can change how we react and live with it. Ie things like yoga, mindfullness.
sometimes life can be 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it. that is where the books, audiobooks and other resources like podcasts are great, they can help you adapt thoughts, and emotions to have less stress and more calm.
from memory, clinique lipsticks do have gluten (or they used to 7 years ago when I was first diagnosed)
Gabes Ryan
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Hi Gabes! I have to research all of the products that I use. I don't wear lipstick, foundation or blush except if it is a special occasion. I do wear eyeliner and mascara, Clinque and Lancôme. I use so many different products on my skin, never had a reaction, so it didn't even cross my mind that gluten might be in it. I know that I am allergic to mold, dust mites and some other outside allergies, it was 40 years ago that I was tested (blood test), I just don't remember. That was when I was told I was allergic to egg whites.
This is me in a nutshell, I'm the biggest worrywart on the face of the planet. I always worry about my daughter, who has a lot of issues that become my issues and now she is 700 miles away in NYC. If I'm not there is listen to her, she has nobody. Our move to North Carolina was and still is not a popular decision with me. I really don't like it here. My husband loves it. I came from the suburbs of NJ, 25 minutes outside of NYC, to a rural area in NC. Even though it's rural the traffic is terrible and I'm ready to give up my driver's license. I couldn't find employment close to where I live and I was not commuting far. The few interviews I had, my age was factor because I was more than qualified. I'll be 62 in a few weeks and will start receiving my social security. I just never feel relaxed, I'm always on edge. I started reading the book Carol M recommended, hopefully that will help me and my gym offers yoga several times a week.
My husband asked me to make my famous crumb cakes to take to a friends tomorrow. It is not gluten free. I better get a mask and some gloves to mix up the ingredients!!!! I haven't tried to make it with the new gf flours that I have found.
Thanks for your advice and for listening, it is greatly appreciated.
Susanne
This is me in a nutshell, I'm the biggest worrywart on the face of the planet. I always worry about my daughter, who has a lot of issues that become my issues and now she is 700 miles away in NYC. If I'm not there is listen to her, she has nobody. Our move to North Carolina was and still is not a popular decision with me. I really don't like it here. My husband loves it. I came from the suburbs of NJ, 25 minutes outside of NYC, to a rural area in NC. Even though it's rural the traffic is terrible and I'm ready to give up my driver's license. I couldn't find employment close to where I live and I was not commuting far. The few interviews I had, my age was factor because I was more than qualified. I'll be 62 in a few weeks and will start receiving my social security. I just never feel relaxed, I'm always on edge. I started reading the book Carol M recommended, hopefully that will help me and my gym offers yoga several times a week.
My husband asked me to make my famous crumb cakes to take to a friends tomorrow. It is not gluten free. I better get a mask and some gloves to mix up the ingredients!!!! I haven't tried to make it with the new gf flours that I have found.
Thanks for your advice and for listening, it is greatly appreciated.
Susanne
FWIW, those are some of my symptoms when I was magnesium deficient. Now, I don't even worry about the things that I probably should be worrying about.Susanne wrote:This is me in a nutshell, I'm the biggest worrywart on the face of the planet. . . . I just never feel relaxed, I'm always on edge.
Tex
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magnesium
Hi Tex,
I use magnesium lotion on my feet. I also have the spray but it was irritating. I'm going to try to use it again. I get 50 mg in my multi-vitamin. Do I have any other choices?
A lot of the foods that are high in magnesium I can't eat, they are high fodmaps. Are green beans legumes? I have been eating well cooked green beans a lot and I recently read that they were, so I am questioning that in my diet. I don't think they are causing me any trouble.
Thanks,
Susanne
I use magnesium lotion on my feet. I also have the spray but it was irritating. I'm going to try to use it again. I get 50 mg in my multi-vitamin. Do I have any other choices?
A lot of the foods that are high in magnesium I can't eat, they are high fodmaps. Are green beans legumes? I have been eating well cooked green beans a lot and I recently read that they were, so I am questioning that in my diet. I don't think they are causing me any trouble.
Thanks,
Susanne
Hi Susanne,
I would try to up my oral mag with either Dr.s Best chelated mag glycinate or ReMag ( Dr. Deans' product that doesn't rely on gut for absorption). Stress is really good at taking all of your mag. So are most medications that have fluoride molecules. Most of us need 500-600mg a day to keep symptoms at bay and turn issues around. Unfortunately we can't rely on food anymore because the soil is so deficient.
Start slowly as with any supplement to see how you fare....
Epsom salts baths with 2 cups, 1 box baking soda, and 1 sliced lemon squeezed and floating in the bath is stress relieving detoxing ritual of mine
I would try to up my oral mag with either Dr.s Best chelated mag glycinate or ReMag ( Dr. Deans' product that doesn't rely on gut for absorption). Stress is really good at taking all of your mag. So are most medications that have fluoride molecules. Most of us need 500-600mg a day to keep symptoms at bay and turn issues around. Unfortunately we can't rely on food anymore because the soil is so deficient.
Start slowly as with any supplement to see how you fare....
Epsom salts baths with 2 cups, 1 box baking soda, and 1 sliced lemon squeezed and floating in the bath is stress relieving detoxing ritual of mine
Vanessa
Susanne,
Yes, green beans are part of the legume family, but for some reason virtually all of us can eat them without any problems.
Look at your multivitamin label to see which form of magnesium is used. I'll bet a GF cookie it's magnesium oxide, because that's the cheapest form available, so therefore it's the most popular form (even hospitals use it
). Unfortunately, we are only able to absorb approximately 2 % of the magnesium in magnesium oxide. That's why it makes such a good laxative, because it stays in the gut instead of being absorbed.
The bottom line is that you can safely ignore the magnesium in most multivitamins, because it's useless. And even if it happens to be an exception to the rule, and your multivitamin contains a highly-absorbable form, 50 mg is nothing. Virtually every one of us needs 300–400 mg of magnesium per day. And as Vanessa pointed out, if we are having D, or if we have malabsorption problems, we need significantly more, because we are less able to absorb magnesium at normal rates.
It's a chronic condition and it's self-perpetuating, because as our magnesium reserves decline, so does our ability to transport magnesium into the cells where it is needed. Magnesium deficiency has been shown to cause the condition known as prediabetes, and if the deficiency is not corrected in a timely manner, it can progress to type 2 diabetes. This happens because of the fact that magnesium deficiency promotes insulin resistance in the cells and reduced insulin production by the pancreas, and that combination interferes with the utilization of magnesium, and all other nutrients. As the condition progresses, nutrients tend to increasingly go right through us because of our compromised ability to transport them into storage in the cells.
Tex
Yes, green beans are part of the legume family, but for some reason virtually all of us can eat them without any problems.
Look at your multivitamin label to see which form of magnesium is used. I'll bet a GF cookie it's magnesium oxide, because that's the cheapest form available, so therefore it's the most popular form (even hospitals use it
). Unfortunately, we are only able to absorb approximately 2 % of the magnesium in magnesium oxide. That's why it makes such a good laxative, because it stays in the gut instead of being absorbed.The bottom line is that you can safely ignore the magnesium in most multivitamins, because it's useless. And even if it happens to be an exception to the rule, and your multivitamin contains a highly-absorbable form, 50 mg is nothing. Virtually every one of us needs 300–400 mg of magnesium per day. And as Vanessa pointed out, if we are having D, or if we have malabsorption problems, we need significantly more, because we are less able to absorb magnesium at normal rates.
It's a chronic condition and it's self-perpetuating, because as our magnesium reserves decline, so does our ability to transport magnesium into the cells where it is needed. Magnesium deficiency has been shown to cause the condition known as prediabetes, and if the deficiency is not corrected in a timely manner, it can progress to type 2 diabetes. This happens because of the fact that magnesium deficiency promotes insulin resistance in the cells and reduced insulin production by the pancreas, and that combination interferes with the utilization of magnesium, and all other nutrients. As the condition progresses, nutrients tend to increasingly go right through us because of our compromised ability to transport them into storage in the cells.
Tex
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I agree with both Vanessa's and Tex's comments
a) we need good forms of magnesium to optimise absorption
b) we need at least 400mg ELEMENTAL magnesium and based on the contributions of people here, most need about 500mg ELEMENTAL magnesium per day
(and those who are consuming coffee, certain medications, and have ongoing stress may need more than 500mg ELEMENTAL magnesium per say)
you can dilute the oil/spray with demineralised water to reduce irritation (keeping in mind that this will dilute absorption)
a) we need good forms of magnesium to optimise absorption
b) we need at least 400mg ELEMENTAL magnesium and based on the contributions of people here, most need about 500mg ELEMENTAL magnesium per day
(and those who are consuming coffee, certain medications, and have ongoing stress may need more than 500mg ELEMENTAL magnesium per say)
you can dilute the oil/spray with demineralised water to reduce irritation (keeping in mind that this will dilute absorption)
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Magnesium
Hi all,
Thanks for your responses. I am using the magnesium spray on my thighs and magnesium lotion on my feet. It's going ok. I think I'm going to order ReMag but was wondering about Slow Mag (magnesium chloride). Anyone familiar with that product?
I went through all of the products that I use and I have to replace every one of them, now I have to find suitable replacements. I found Hugo Natural Shampoo, Conditioner and body lotion, they say are gluten and soy free. Makeup is another story, the search continues.
I want to wish all the Potty People an early Happy Thanksgiving!! I'm leaving to spend Thanksgiving with my family in NJ. We are driving up, my Imodium and Pepto Bismol are packed (just in case), as well as my Entocort EC. The valium will be close by me, I hate road trips. Hopefully this will be a better trip than the last one!!! I just hope I pick my foods wisely so I don't get glutened!!
Thanks,
Susanne
Thanks for your responses. I am using the magnesium spray on my thighs and magnesium lotion on my feet. It's going ok. I think I'm going to order ReMag but was wondering about Slow Mag (magnesium chloride). Anyone familiar with that product?
I went through all of the products that I use and I have to replace every one of them, now I have to find suitable replacements. I found Hugo Natural Shampoo, Conditioner and body lotion, they say are gluten and soy free. Makeup is another story, the search continues.
I want to wish all the Potty People an early Happy Thanksgiving!! I'm leaving to spend Thanksgiving with my family in NJ. We are driving up, my Imodium and Pepto Bismol are packed (just in case), as well as my Entocort EC. The valium will be close by me, I hate road trips. Hopefully this will be a better trip than the last one!!! I just hope I pick my foods wisely so I don't get glutened!!
Thanks,
Susanne