Lots of information here, some of it very technical, hard to wrap my head around it.
History: Gastric bypass in 2004 at weight of 514, lost 312. Traded food addiction for alcohol. Stopped drinking April 2015 and saw doc because of D. She treated me for a stomach ulcer (i forget the meds, sorry). August 2015 started Weight Watchers. May 2016 I took it upon myself (physician heal thyself) to stop meds (surely im healed now), and at the same time, began intermittent fasting (total weight loss since aug 2015 to date 125 lbs). This is approx the same time constant D began (still continues). I spent the entire summer adjusting diet, etc...no avail, Immodium in Sept 2016, made it worse! Finally to docs, colonoscopy and well, here I am.
My diet is fairly simple really. Monday - Friday coffee with sweet n low and sugar free coffee mate, water. When I get home a string cheese or almonds as a snack. We are carnivores, so meals consist mostly of meat. sometimes a potato.
Because of gastric bypass, my tummy does not like pork (cept sausage, ham and bacon), chicken (cept thighs feel ok, livers), pasta in most forms, potatoes (but i just like them) and eggs if scrambled (weird i know).
I do eat more normally on weekends, but still concentrate heavily on meat, mostly beef.
Where do I start to change?
Supplements I currently take: 1 a day, 1500mg VitC, Chondroitin 3600mg, Glucosomine 3500 mg, MSM 6000 mg, Fish Oil 4000mg, Vit D3 600 IU, Calcium Carbonate 1000mg, Magnesium Oxide 400 mg, Zinc Sulfate 15 mg
Curious. Over the months there have been several periods of a few days where my teeth were ultra sensative, related?
Before I had colonoscopy I had purchased bitters and HCL, then thought I should wait for (also had an endoscopy) results to make sure I didnt have a tummy problem, unsure now if i should attempt those (one or the other) now or not.
Thanks you guys, I still cant believe how lucky I am to have found this group! *smiles from Indiana*
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Gabes-Apg
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my suggestions:
with the supplements, stop everything but the Vit D3 for now.
swap magnesium over to Glyncinate for oral intake and maybe add in the topical magnesium to optimise absorption
consider having Vit D level checked before changing dosage of Vit D supplementation. (some people here take 2000-5000 iu per day)
Carbs - remove pasta, consider trying sweet potato, (as some people can react to white potato)
avoid the gluten free pasta's for now, and stick with a few well cooked safe vegetables
Meats - go for the ones that less people react to - replace chicken with turkey. maybe lamb or venison instead of beef.
and include home made bone broth into the eating plan - via soups and stews
we have a suggested eating plan here
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=22328
Dental issues are common for MC'ers. Especially for those consuming gluten.
with the supplements, stop everything but the Vit D3 for now.
swap magnesium over to Glyncinate for oral intake and maybe add in the topical magnesium to optimise absorption
consider having Vit D level checked before changing dosage of Vit D supplementation. (some people here take 2000-5000 iu per day)
Carbs - remove pasta, consider trying sweet potato, (as some people can react to white potato)
avoid the gluten free pasta's for now, and stick with a few well cooked safe vegetables
Meats - go for the ones that less people react to - replace chicken with turkey. maybe lamb or venison instead of beef.
and include home made bone broth into the eating plan - via soups and stews
we have a suggested eating plan here
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=22328
Dental issues are common for MC'ers. Especially for those consuming gluten.
Gabes Ryan
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Gabes-Apg
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forgot to mention
with the coffee - swap across to using stevia (plant based rather than chemical based sugar) and skip the coffee mate.
snack wise - avoid dairy and whole nuts ( too much fibre) at this early stages of healing
with the coffee - swap across to using stevia (plant based rather than chemical based sugar) and skip the coffee mate.
snack wise - avoid dairy and whole nuts ( too much fibre) at this early stages of healing
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Hi Lauria,
To add to what Gabes posted, I'd like to add the following observations:
1. Virtually all of us here react (with D) to saccharin and aspartame.
2. Magnesium oxide is virtually worthless as a magnesium supplement because humans can only absorb about 2 % of the magnesium in it. It makes a good laxative though, because when it mixes with water in the stomach it forms milk of magnesia.
3. 2,000 mg of fish oil is generally well-tolerated, but twice that amount can cause D for some people. I take 1,200 mg daily.
Are you taking the calcium carbonate as an antacid or as a calcium supplement? That's a lot of calcium, and almost everyone has plenty of calcium in their diet. To absorb calcium into the bloodstream we need adequate amounts of vitamin D (600 IU is an almost insignificant mount — the immune systems of IBD patients use a lot of vitamin D to fight the inflammation). To get calcium from the bloodstream into the bones where it's needed, requires adequate amounts of magnesium.
If we are vitamin D and/or magnesium deficient, we can take all the calcium in the world and we will still develop osteoporosis, because the calcium will be wasted. As long as we have plenty vitamin D and magnesium in our system, our food contains all the calcium we need to grow and maintain healthy bones.
FWIW, I have taken glucosamine and chondroitin (and flax seed oil) for the last 16 years or so, and I credit it for my lack of joint problems despite working for many years in a job that required heavy lifting and other work known to wear out hip and knee joints.
I consider bacon to be a great source for safe fat. And I have my sausage custom made with only pork, salt, and pepper. If you're concerned about nitrates, uncured bacon is available in some supermarkets.
Tex
To add to what Gabes posted, I'd like to add the following observations:
1. Virtually all of us here react (with D) to saccharin and aspartame.
2. Magnesium oxide is virtually worthless as a magnesium supplement because humans can only absorb about 2 % of the magnesium in it. It makes a good laxative though, because when it mixes with water in the stomach it forms milk of magnesia.
3. 2,000 mg of fish oil is generally well-tolerated, but twice that amount can cause D for some people. I take 1,200 mg daily.
Are you taking the calcium carbonate as an antacid or as a calcium supplement? That's a lot of calcium, and almost everyone has plenty of calcium in their diet. To absorb calcium into the bloodstream we need adequate amounts of vitamin D (600 IU is an almost insignificant mount — the immune systems of IBD patients use a lot of vitamin D to fight the inflammation). To get calcium from the bloodstream into the bones where it's needed, requires adequate amounts of magnesium.
If we are vitamin D and/or magnesium deficient, we can take all the calcium in the world and we will still develop osteoporosis, because the calcium will be wasted. As long as we have plenty vitamin D and magnesium in our system, our food contains all the calcium we need to grow and maintain healthy bones.
FWIW, I have taken glucosamine and chondroitin (and flax seed oil) for the last 16 years or so, and I credit it for my lack of joint problems despite working for many years in a job that required heavy lifting and other work known to wear out hip and knee joints.
I consider bacon to be a great source for safe fat. And I have my sausage custom made with only pork, salt, and pepper. If you're concerned about nitrates, uncured bacon is available in some supermarkets.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
The calcium magnesium and zinc is an all-in-one that I started last June due to leg cramps, didn't help much if at all, so now that I type that out I see the insanity.
Recommendations on vit d? I will go back to see recent blood work to see what vitamins were tested
We purchase pork and beef from a local farmer and have it butchered, so I'm thinking our bacon and sausage from that source would be fine?
Recommendations on vit d? I will go back to see recent blood work to see what vitamins were tested
We purchase pork and beef from a local farmer and have it butchered, so I'm thinking our bacon and sausage from that source would be fine?
Lauria F
Hi Lori,
Welcome!
Consider the following:
Eliminate sweet n low. Replace with STevia. The one I tolerate is called "Sweetleaf". Some of the stevias have a lot of ingredients/fillers. Avoid them.
Eliminate coffeemate. Switch to almond milk or coconut milk.
Eliminate string cheese and almonds. If you need a snack try almond butter on spoon and lick it off.
(you might tolerate string cheese and almonds down the road but eliminate for now.
PROTEIN IS GOOD FOR US!
Brandy
Welcome!
Consider the following:
Eliminate sweet n low. Replace with STevia. The one I tolerate is called "Sweetleaf". Some of the stevias have a lot of ingredients/fillers. Avoid them.
Eliminate coffeemate. Switch to almond milk or coconut milk.
Eliminate string cheese and almonds. If you need a snack try almond butter on spoon and lick it off.
(you might tolerate string cheese and almonds down the road but eliminate for now.
PROTEIN IS GOOD FOR US!
Brandy
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UkuleleLady
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I agree with ditching all supplements. Keep the VitD if you can but less is more IME
Eliminate all dairy. Expand your meat to turkey, pork, lamb. Especially turkey and lamb because if you didn't eat those often you probably don't react to them. I pracitcally lived on turkey when recovering because I couldn't eat chicken. And I used to eat a ton of chicken.
Eat meat 3x a day.
Eliminate all dairy. Expand your meat to turkey, pork, lamb. Especially turkey and lamb because if you didn't eat those often you probably don't react to them. I pracitcally lived on turkey when recovering because I couldn't eat chicken. And I used to eat a ton of chicken.
Eat meat 3x a day.
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Well, I wouldn't call it insanity, but the reason why that didn't work is because too much calcium in the diet (or in supplements) uses up too much vitamin D and magnesium. IOW, the vitamin D and magnesium are wasted getting rid of the excess calcium (because too much calcium in the blood raises the risk of heart attack, so it has to be regulated). Because regulating the calcium level in the blood is a high priority item, it has top priority on access to magnesium. So the calcium used up (wasted) your magnesium, preventing the magnesium from resolving other issues (such as preventing leg cramps)Lauria wrote:The calcium magnesium and zinc is an all-in-one that I started last June due to leg cramps, didn't help much if at all, so now that I type that out I see the insanity
Yes, your pork and beef should be safe.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
So my beef and pork shouldn't be something I need to concern myself with eliminating from my diet right now? Can I ask why they are safe? Can I call the processor/butcher who packaged it for me to obtain bones from them that would also be safe for bone broth?tex wrote:
Yes, your pork and beef should be safe.
Tex
I have eliminated artificial sweeteners from diet, ordered enterolab tests and working on magnesium d3 supplements....good start
Lauria F
Lori said,
Our GI tracts have evolved to digest protein over the many hundreds of thousands of years. Some of us do better with some proteins over others but you will have to determine that yourself. Processed foods---things with long ingredient lists of chemicals are problematic for us early on as we have not evolved to digest processed foods.
Yes to get bones from butcher.
Proteins are generally a safe category of foods for us due to evolution. Mankind has been eating protein for hundreds of thousands of years. By contrast mankind has been eating processed foods for only about 60 years. (Since the 1950's.)Can I ask why they are safe? Can I call the processor/butcher who packaged it for me to obtain bones from them that would also be safe for bone broth?
Our GI tracts have evolved to digest protein over the many hundreds of thousands of years. Some of us do better with some proteins over others but you will have to determine that yourself. Processed foods---things with long ingredient lists of chemicals are problematic for us early on as we have not evolved to digest processed foods.
Yes to get bones from butcher.
I agree with what Brandy posted, because we did indeed evolve eating protein. Protein is the reason why our brain grew so much larger than the other competing species and allowed us to outcompete them. But some clarification is in order. When I said that your beef and pork were safe,I meant that they should be safe from cross-contamination from gluten, casein, soy, etc. (because of your source/processor). I didn't mean that you could absolutely tolerate them from an autoimmune risk viewpoint. Some of us here react to beef or pork because our immune system produces antibodies to one or both. I reacted to beef while I was recovering, but pork was OK. Now, I can also tolerate beef.Lauria wrote:So my beef and pork shouldn't be something I need to concern myself with eliminating from my diet right now? Can I ask why they are safe?
But if your immune system happens to produce antibodies to beef or pork, then no, your beef or pork is not "safe" for you. If your immune system doesn't have a problem with them though, then the processor you are using is probably safe, and you shouldn't have to be concerned about cross-contamination.
I hope I haven't just confused the issue.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.