What type of treatment can we use for rosacea and perioral dermatitis? I used to use tetracycline, but that is what triggered my colitis. What are our options? Does anyone have these conditions. My dermatologist recommended for now is Acnevir, but there is lactose and ...parabens in it so I am hesitant to use that. He wanted to know what is type of antibiotic I can use, he asked if penicillin and that family was ok? I would greatly appreciate any advise.
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Rosacea/perioral dermatitis treatment?
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Rosacea/perioral dermatitis treatment?
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Gabes-Apg
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skin issues like that are quite often related to nutrient deficiencies
are you supplementing with Vit D3 and magnesium ?
I have skin issues and the natural solutions i have found that work really well are;
- using coconut oil on the skin, it zinc, potassium etc that help the skin heal
- i have a dermatitis that impacts my scalp, I make a tea from camomile flowers and swab the inflammed areas with that along with using coconut oil.
nutrient wise, dermatitis issues can be related to deficiencies in B2, B3, B6 and zinc. Supplementing with the active form of B6 - P5P might be a good option
hope this helps
are you supplementing with Vit D3 and magnesium ?
I have skin issues and the natural solutions i have found that work really well are;
- using coconut oil on the skin, it zinc, potassium etc that help the skin heal
- i have a dermatitis that impacts my scalp, I make a tea from camomile flowers and swab the inflammed areas with that along with using coconut oil.
nutrient wise, dermatitis issues can be related to deficiencies in B2, B3, B6 and zinc. Supplementing with the active form of B6 - P5P might be a good option
hope this helps
Gabes Ryan
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Hi Barb,
There is no "safe" antibiotic. Cipro and the other fluroquinolones will not provoke an MC flare, but the problem is that they have some serious black box warnings, including tendonitis, risk of torn ligaments, peripheral neuropathy, five-fold increase in the risk of a detached retina, and tinnitus. And as far as I'm aware, this class of antibiotics is not commonly used for treating skin issues.
Many members have been able to use azithromycin (Z-Pak) without provoking an MC flare, but again, I have no idea whether it could be used to treat rosacea and perioral dermatitis.
Other than these, virtually all oral antibiotics carry a risk of provoking an MC flare. Topically-applied antibiotics might not cause any MC problems.
In general, the penicillin family of antibiotics is notorious for triggering MC flares, unfortunately.
Hopefully someone who has had some success treating those conditions may have some good suggestions.
Have you tried an antihistamine? There are some indications that rosacea (similar to other skin issues) is caused by histamine issues such as mast cell activation disorder (MCAD). It can also be caused by gluten or dairy in the diet. Is there a chance that traces of gluten might be somehow getting into your diet. If there is any wheat flour in your kitchen I can virtually guarantee that your diet is cross-contaminated with gluten. Been there, done that. Flour goes everywhere when a bag is opened, and no matter how carefully it might be handled, preventing cross-contamination is an exercise in futility. The only practical solution is to not allow any wheat flour in the house.
Tex
There is no "safe" antibiotic. Cipro and the other fluroquinolones will not provoke an MC flare, but the problem is that they have some serious black box warnings, including tendonitis, risk of torn ligaments, peripheral neuropathy, five-fold increase in the risk of a detached retina, and tinnitus. And as far as I'm aware, this class of antibiotics is not commonly used for treating skin issues.
Many members have been able to use azithromycin (Z-Pak) without provoking an MC flare, but again, I have no idea whether it could be used to treat rosacea and perioral dermatitis.
Other than these, virtually all oral antibiotics carry a risk of provoking an MC flare. Topically-applied antibiotics might not cause any MC problems.
In general, the penicillin family of antibiotics is notorious for triggering MC flares, unfortunately.
Hopefully someone who has had some success treating those conditions may have some good suggestions.
Have you tried an antihistamine? There are some indications that rosacea (similar to other skin issues) is caused by histamine issues such as mast cell activation disorder (MCAD). It can also be caused by gluten or dairy in the diet. Is there a chance that traces of gluten might be somehow getting into your diet. If there is any wheat flour in your kitchen I can virtually guarantee that your diet is cross-contaminated with gluten. Been there, done that. Flour goes everywhere when a bag is opened, and no matter how carefully it might be handled, preventing cross-contamination is an exercise in futility. The only practical solution is to not allow any wheat flour in the house.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Thank you for your reply's.
Yes my Vit.-D and Mag. is good, I haven't had my B's checked in a quite awhile. I'm sure I'm getting cross-contamination, my husband and I share a toaster and a shared toaster oven at work. I didn't think I was that sensitive, I can eat eggs and very little diary with no effects; so I guess that's the culprit. They must not effect my digestive track, but they might be effecting my skin. I don't have time to bake :( and the only flour I have in the house is GF. I haven't tried antihistamine. I'm going for allergy testing next week.
My skin did cleared up after I quit gluten and dairy, but it has been acting up in the past 4 months.
I'll try the coconut oil, how much zinc and potassium? I'm getting 99mg of potassium within my calcium and magnesium per day.
What do you do if you had an infection, or some illness in your body that required an oral antibiotic?
Yes my Vit.-D and Mag. is good, I haven't had my B's checked in a quite awhile. I'm sure I'm getting cross-contamination, my husband and I share a toaster and a shared toaster oven at work. I didn't think I was that sensitive, I can eat eggs and very little diary with no effects; so I guess that's the culprit. They must not effect my digestive track, but they might be effecting my skin. I don't have time to bake :( and the only flour I have in the house is GF. I haven't tried antihistamine. I'm going for allergy testing next week.
My skin did cleared up after I quit gluten and dairy, but it has been acting up in the past 4 months.
I'll try the coconut oil, how much zinc and potassium? I'm getting 99mg of potassium within my calcium and magnesium per day.
What do you do if you had an infection, or some illness in your body that required an oral antibiotic?
DX with MS, Hashimothyroiditis, Hypothyroid, Raynauds, Lymphocytic Colitis
Barb,
If you don't bake, that makes avoiding gluten contamination of your food much easier. Most of us who eat toast get our own dedicated toaster, because toasters are a very, very common source of gluten cross-contamination.
With toaster ovens, you can place a sheet of foil or parchment paper under your food to prevent it from being contaminated.
And yes, you are correct — some of us get joint, or skin, or neurological problems from cross-contamination even though we may not notice any gastrointestinal symptoms.
Tex
If you don't bake, that makes avoiding gluten contamination of your food much easier. Most of us who eat toast get our own dedicated toaster, because toasters are a very, very common source of gluten cross-contamination.
With toaster ovens, you can place a sheet of foil or parchment paper under your food to prevent it from being contaminated.
And yes, you are correct — some of us get joint, or skin, or neurological problems from cross-contamination even though we may not notice any gastrointestinal symptoms.
If the need for an antibiotic is serious enough, sometimes we just have to do what we have to do, and suffer the consequences. There's little point in dying or having a leg amputated because of an infection that got out of hand. The last antibiotic I used was Cipro, about a year and a half ago.Barbe wrote:What do you do if you had an infection, or some illness in your body that required an oral antibiotic?
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Gabes-Apg
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my thoughts are the little bit of dairy and gluten contamination is a key trigger to the skin issue.Yes my Vit.-D and Mag. is good, I haven't had my B's checked in a quite awhile. I'm sure I'm getting cross-contamination, my husband and I share a toaster and a shared toaster oven at work. I didn't think I was that sensitive, I can eat eggs and very little diary with no effects; so I guess that's the culprit. They must not effect my digestive track, but they might be effecting my skin. I don't have time to bake :( and the only flour I have in the house is GF. I haven't tried antihistamine. I'm going for allergy testing next week.
what type of allergy testing are you doing? the results of blood based or skin prick testing for allergies dont always correlate with items that will trigger MC inflammation.
this could mean that something else in your eating plan is now a trigger - like the eggs or soy?My skin did cleared up after I quit gluten and dairy, but it has been acting up in the past 4 months.
how much magnesium are you taking, if you are taking calcium, then you will need additional magnesium for the body to get its daily needs, ie about 600 mg Elemental magnesium per dayI'll try the coconut oil, how much zinc and potassium? I'm getting 99mg of potassium within my calcium and magnesium per day.
Potassium wise, the daily requirement is 2-5 grams - so your 99mg is below daily requirements.
1 banana has about 300mg of potassium
in line with the points about histamine and allergies etc. Active B6, called P5P helps to balance histamine levels in the body. (i resolved lifelong allergy /asthma issues when I fixed my B6 deficiency)
so far as the bodies need for antiobiotics, if you have the right nutrients, and the immune system is functioning well, your body can fight infection.
the overuse of antiobiotics is one of the common factors to health issues like MC.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Barb-
I developed a crazy rash around my mouth this year when things started going crazy and I could not get it to settle down. Went to the doctor where we tried a few things and eventually ended up at dermatologist. Had the antiobiotic discussion and I basically said I couldn't do an oral. So we settled on 2 topicals that seem to have worked. Clindamycin Phosphate and Benzoyl Peroxide gel 1x/day and Elidel cream 2x/day. Did this for like a month then went down to just the Elidel cream 1x/day for a month. Now just use that if something seems to be getting wierd and they also had me buy a lip balm called Cortibalm which has 1% hydrocortisone in it...had to go find that at a pharmacy and it's like $3.99 a tube. But this whole thing seems to have worked for me, along with brushing my teeth with baking soda only. Tried to go back to my Sensodyne toothpaste but started to get wierd again.
Hope this helps...
HockeyMom
I developed a crazy rash around my mouth this year when things started going crazy and I could not get it to settle down. Went to the doctor where we tried a few things and eventually ended up at dermatologist. Had the antiobiotic discussion and I basically said I couldn't do an oral. So we settled on 2 topicals that seem to have worked. Clindamycin Phosphate and Benzoyl Peroxide gel 1x/day and Elidel cream 2x/day. Did this for like a month then went down to just the Elidel cream 1x/day for a month. Now just use that if something seems to be getting wierd and they also had me buy a lip balm called Cortibalm which has 1% hydrocortisone in it...had to go find that at a pharmacy and it's like $3.99 a tube. But this whole thing seems to have worked for me, along with brushing my teeth with baking soda only. Tried to go back to my Sensodyne toothpaste but started to get wierd again.
Hope this helps...
HockeyMom
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Barb-
Oops, almost forgot to tell you that they had me putting basically a baby butt cream over the top of this at night before bed. That has zinc oxide in it to help get things healing up. I had already tried that on my own..just that but it didn't help.
Oops, almost forgot to tell you that they had me putting basically a baby butt cream over the top of this at night before bed. That has zinc oxide in it to help get things healing up. I had already tried that on my own..just that but it didn't help.
"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are"-Teddy Roosevelt
Lo an behold....I got glutened!
I ended up with a bumpy rash just below the right side of my lips on my chin area around the beginning of the Holiday season.....and it is just now starting to dissipate very SLOWLY...it will create a small water bump that breaks every now an then and heals and it flakes (it's driving me crazy but it is getting smaller every week so I know my body is doing something on its own to remedy it, its just taking forever it seems like).
I've been taking my B's and VitD3 and Mag, 200mg Potassium pretty religiously and my Allegra 180mg daily can't even seem to get away from it in the middle of Winter!
My household will never be 100% free of gluten due to the husband not having an issue with it....so I'm destined to have skin irritations and what not's the rest of my life most likely.
Sigh...
Erica
I ended up with a bumpy rash just below the right side of my lips on my chin area around the beginning of the Holiday season.....and it is just now starting to dissipate very SLOWLY...it will create a small water bump that breaks every now an then and heals and it flakes (it's driving me crazy but it is getting smaller every week so I know my body is doing something on its own to remedy it, its just taking forever it seems like).
I've been taking my B's and VitD3 and Mag, 200mg Potassium pretty religiously and my Allegra 180mg daily can't even seem to get away from it in the middle of Winter!
My household will never be 100% free of gluten due to the husband not having an issue with it....so I'm destined to have skin irritations and what not's the rest of my life most likely.
Sigh...
Erica
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Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
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Came to the site today searching the archives for antibiotic info and saw this post. My Rosacea wasn't responding to any medications or treatments and was getting worse. I began trying holistic treatments and found that washing my face with dandruff shampoo (Selsun blue with aloe) worked. It took a while and is drying but my Rosacea and dermatitis on my forehead cleared up. I found the suggestion on a natural remedies website.
Good luck.
Sheila W
Good luck.
Sheila W
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A person who never made a mistake never tried something new. Einstein
A person who never made a mistake never tried something new. Einstein
My doctor at the Ultrawellness Center in Lenox, Massachusetts who has helped me more than any other told me that rosacea is generally a bacteria problem. Since getting rid of the parasite he found I still have or had too many bad bacteria and not enough good bacteria. He has me taking Biocidin by Bio-Botanical Research Inc. http://biocidin.com/ I take the liquid drops. He is working me up to 10 drops 3xday. I also take a probiotic which before eradicating the parasite I never could tolerate. My point is that my rosacea went away when I got up to 5 drops a day back in December. Gone! I am sold on functional medicine! I no longer take any medication for my MC. I still eat GF, DF, EF and am slowly adding back in vegetables.
Pat wrote:I don't know why my pic under my name says I am from Canada or how that changed. I still live in Texas! I am an American!
I was wondering if you had moved. I'm not sure why that happens, but apparently it's a software glitch.Thanks for the update. It's good to see that you're doing so well.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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something that helped when I had perioral dermatitis was to brush my teeth before washing my face at night, not after, to remove any sls or residues from toothpaste that might aggravate dry skin.
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