Below are my Enterolab results, the A1 and C1 panels. Here are my questions:
1. I know that I have to avoid all gluten, dairy, eggs and soy. Rice, almonds and oats? How much should I limit those? So many things that are gluten free have rice and or almonds.
2. What about legumes? They have fiber so I am not eating them but what about peanut butter at some point?
3. Enterolab sent me an email saying that since they still have my stool sample, they will offer me a discounted price to do a test of my intestinal fat malabsorption to determine if small intestinal malabsorption may be present at this time. Do I really need that? I hate to spend any more money unless you strongly advise it.
Comprehensive Gluten/Antigenic Food Sensitivity Stool Panel
Fecal Anti-gliadin IgA 40 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-casein (cow’s milk) IgA 12 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA 13 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-soy IgA 12 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Mean Value 11 Antigenic Foods 8 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
While all of the foods tested can be immune-stimulating, the hierarchy of reactions detected were as follows:
Food to which there was moderate immunological reactivity (2+): Food to which there was significant and/or the most immunological reactivity (3+):
Food to which there was no significant immunological reactivity:
Corn
Beef
Chicken
Pork
Tuna
Walnut
Cashew
White potato
Food to which there was some immunological reactivity (1+)
Oat
Rice
Almond
Within each class of foods to which you displayed multiple reactions, the hierarchy of those reactions detected were as follows:
Grains:
Grain toward which you displayed the most immunologic reactivity: Oat (+1)
Grain toward which you displayed intermediate immunologic reactivity: Rice (+1)
Nuts:
Nut toward which you displayed the most immunologic reactivity: Almond (+1)
Thanks,
Skp
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Gabes-Apg
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my suggestion would be to limit intake of Rice, almonds and oat to no more than 3-5 small serves of each per week - there are other options available for baking like coconut flour, corn flour etc for baking so you can minimise use of rice and almond flour.1. I know that I have to avoid all gluten, dairy, eggs and soy. Rice, almonds and oats? How much should I limit those? So many things that are gluten free have rice and or almonds.
given that your gluten result is much higher than the results for dairy, soy etc - and your mean value was below 10 - I would be super pro-active about avoiding cross contamination for gluten - ie are you sharing kitchen with others that will be eating gluten?2. What about legumes? They have fiber so I am not eating them but what about peanut butter at some point?
Given the reaction to Soy, I would avoid legumes. things like peanuts/peanut butter can be very individual
most of all - in the early stages of healing avoid items that may be high risk and down the track with healing etc test it then.
I would avoid commercial gluten free baking products - not just because of the rice issue but also because USA based gluten free products can have small amounts of gluten in them and over the course of a week this may be too much for your system.
I would also suggest that you get new cooking equipment (cooking spoons, chopping boards, baking pans etc) and make them exclusively GLUTEN FREE use only.
Also double check bathroom products for ingredients like wheat germ (a lot of natural/organic products will have wheat based ingredients in them)
This also applies if you want to minimise contact with Soy - most products that have 'Vit E' have soy.
check out the Dee's kitchen area of the site - lots of good recipes there that you can adjust/tweak to suit your results.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Skp,
Regarding rice, almonds, and oats: Your overall score on that series of tests was only 8. That means that your reactions to all of those foods was below the level of detection. IMO rice and almonds should be safe for you. Theoretically, oats should also be safe, but I hesitate to endorse the use of oats for anyone who is sensitive to gluten because oats contain a protein that's very similar to wheat gluten (avenin), and most of us here are sensitive to avenin, despite claims to the contrary by so-called celiac experts.
The "experts" claim that pure oats are safe, even for celiacs. About (guessing) 8 or 9 years ago, I did an oat challenge. I had not eaten any oats for many years, so my immune system was not programed to react to oats. I ate oat cereal certified as gluten-free for breakfast only twice a week, so theoretically, according to the rotation diet claims, I should have been able to tolerate oats indefinitely without any problem, even if I was only slightly sensitive to it. But even eating it only twice a week, my antibody level slowly built up until after 6 weeks I began to react. And then it took another 6 weeks for the D to stop after I stopped eating oats. Now it's true that not everyone here is sensitive to oats, but very, very few of us here can actually tolerate oats.
I hope that this is helpful.
Tex
Regarding rice, almonds, and oats: Your overall score on that series of tests was only 8. That means that your reactions to all of those foods was below the level of detection. IMO rice and almonds should be safe for you. Theoretically, oats should also be safe, but I hesitate to endorse the use of oats for anyone who is sensitive to gluten because oats contain a protein that's very similar to wheat gluten (avenin), and most of us here are sensitive to avenin, despite claims to the contrary by so-called celiac experts.
The "experts" claim that pure oats are safe, even for celiacs. About (guessing) 8 or 9 years ago, I did an oat challenge. I had not eaten any oats for many years, so my immune system was not programed to react to oats. I ate oat cereal certified as gluten-free for breakfast only twice a week, so theoretically, according to the rotation diet claims, I should have been able to tolerate oats indefinitely without any problem, even if I was only slightly sensitive to it. But even eating it only twice a week, my antibody level slowly built up until after 6 weeks I began to react. And then it took another 6 weeks for the D to stop after I stopped eating oats. Now it's true that not everyone here is sensitive to oats, but very, very few of us here can actually tolerate oats.
I hope that this is helpful.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Gabes-Apg
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given your result for soy, i would encourage you to avoid legumes.
re peanut butter - it depends, it can be fairly individual and it depends on the ingredients of the peanut butter
doing a search on the word peanut I found previous discussions that may be of interest to you
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... ght=peanut
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... ght=peanut
This one has mention of a good cashew product (as cashew is on your safe list)
re peanut butter - it depends, it can be fairly individual and it depends on the ingredients of the peanut butter
doing a search on the word peanut I found previous discussions that may be of interest to you
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... ght=peanut
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... ght=peanut
This one has mention of a good cashew product (as cashew is on your safe list)
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Thank, Gabes. That helps and I'll check out those site. I looked at cashew butter yesterday, at Whole Foods. Wow! Almost $20 for a jar! Obviously, that won't be in my shopping cart. I have been reading, on the forum, different reactions that people have had with legumes who do have an intolerance to soy.
Skp
Skp
Skp,
Soybeans are a legume. That's why the vast majority of us who are sensitive to soy are also sensitive to all legumes. Peanuts are a legume.
About 7 or 8 years ago, I tested negative to soy. But apparently I developed a sensitivity somewhere along the way, because about a year-and-a-half ago I had an unusual reaction to peanuts in which my digestive system just shut down and stopped working. Not knowing what to do, I went to the ER. Unfortunately the docs there didn't know what to do either, but they were able to confirm that my guts had stopped working (the medical term for it is ileus). As far as I'm aware, they have no way to force one's digestive system to resume working again, after it shuts down.
Luckily my digestive system began working again after a few more hours, so I went home. Suspecting that it had something to do with the peanuts, I ordered an Enterolab soy test and sure enough, I am now sensitive to soy. The bottom line is that a few members here who are sensitive to soy seem to be able to tolerate certain types of dried beans, but most of us (who are soy-sensitive) fare much better if we avoid all legumes. As Gabes points out, it's often an individual issue, but statistically, if we're sensitive to soy then the odds are very high that we're also sensitive to either all or many legumes.
Tex
Soybeans are a legume. That's why the vast majority of us who are sensitive to soy are also sensitive to all legumes. Peanuts are a legume.
About 7 or 8 years ago, I tested negative to soy. But apparently I developed a sensitivity somewhere along the way, because about a year-and-a-half ago I had an unusual reaction to peanuts in which my digestive system just shut down and stopped working. Not knowing what to do, I went to the ER. Unfortunately the docs there didn't know what to do either, but they were able to confirm that my guts had stopped working (the medical term for it is ileus). As far as I'm aware, they have no way to force one's digestive system to resume working again, after it shuts down.
Luckily my digestive system began working again after a few more hours, so I went home. Suspecting that it had something to do with the peanuts, I ordered an Enterolab soy test and sure enough, I am now sensitive to soy. The bottom line is that a few members here who are sensitive to soy seem to be able to tolerate certain types of dried beans, but most of us (who are soy-sensitive) fare much better if we avoid all legumes. As Gabes points out, it's often an individual issue, but statistically, if we're sensitive to soy then the odds are very high that we're also sensitive to either all or many legumes.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Gabes-Apg
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I have never done enterolab but I react worse to soy than gluten.
I can not use any soy based moisteriser, make up etc and have to watch for soy contamination (ie vegetable oil) which is way harder than avoiding gluten.
long story short - everyone is different.
their triggers can be different, reactions to triggers can be different, healing time is different,
and quality of product is different - you get what you pay for. Cashew butter may appear expensive but for the small amount you would have each day, and if you tolerate it well is that such a big expense?
better to spend a bit extra and get a product that has good ingredients and has been manufactured in a good facility with no risk of contamination.
cheaper products are higher risk for contamination.
I can not use any soy based moisteriser, make up etc and have to watch for soy contamination (ie vegetable oil) which is way harder than avoiding gluten.
long story short - everyone is different.
their triggers can be different, reactions to triggers can be different, healing time is different,
and quality of product is different - you get what you pay for. Cashew butter may appear expensive but for the small amount you would have each day, and if you tolerate it well is that such a big expense?
better to spend a bit extra and get a product that has good ingredients and has been manufactured in a good facility with no risk of contamination.
cheaper products are higher risk for contamination.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Skp,
Whole Paycheck is not the place to buy cashew butter. This is the only brand of Cashew butter that I have found that is not made in a facility that also processes soy, peanuts, wheat, or whatever. It's good stuff.
Try these links:
(3 Pack) Kevala Organic Cashew Butter 12 oz
Kevala Cashew Butter, 3 Count
You can also buy only one, but it will cost more per jar:
Kevala cashew Butter
Locally, try Walmart.
Tex
Whole Paycheck is not the place to buy cashew butter. This is the only brand of Cashew butter that I have found that is not made in a facility that also processes soy, peanuts, wheat, or whatever. It's good stuff.
Try these links:
(3 Pack) Kevala Organic Cashew Butter 12 oz
Kevala Cashew Butter, 3 Count
You can also buy only one, but it will cost more per jar:
Kevala cashew Butter
Locally, try Walmart.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Skp, you can also make your own but I would recommend a heavy duty blender (like a Vitamix) or food processor.
http://amyshealthybaking.com/blog/2015/ ... ew-butter/
http://amyshealthybaking.com/blog/2015/ ... ew-butter/