Hi all.
I've been taking Doctor's Best and Metagenics Magnesium Glycinate tablets (800mg total) spread out through the day after meals to help with heartburn and insulin resistance.
It may be my imagination, but I think it is giving me heartburn after meals.
Is it possible to get about 800mg just in transdermal spray oils alone (ie: Life Flo, Ancient Minerals, Astura brand spray oils)?
(I've tried ReMag and I think it gives me heartburn too -- again, hard to isolate exactly what the culprit is, but my food is very clean. I'm still recovering from a PPI -- 9 months off after using one plus an H2 for about 18 months).
PS - as an aside question, does anyone get chest aches/pain on their left and/or right upper chest? I get that even upon awakening (no food for many hours) and suspect it's anxiety related. My heart checked out fine.
Thank you! :)
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Suzy,
That's a lot of magnesioum (possibly more than can be absorbed by any single administration method), but yes, you could probably absorb that much transdermally if you worked out a treatment plan and went about it methodically. I didn't have chest pain, but anxiety is definitely associated with magnesium deficiency.
Tex
That's a lot of magnesioum (possibly more than can be absorbed by any single administration method), but yes, you could probably absorb that much transdermally if you worked out a treatment plan and went about it methodically. I didn't have chest pain, but anxiety is definitely associated with magnesium deficiency.
Tex
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Yes, very viable to get the 800mg elemental magnesium via transdermal application
I put the magnesium oil (spray) into small spray bottles and had them in various locations
- in the loo, i would spray the tops of my legs every time I went
- by the bed, spray neck, shoulders, belly - when I went to bed, if I woke through the night and when i wake up
- by the computer spray neck, belly, legs when at computer
doing foot soaks /or baths in epsom salts every night - at least 1 cup of epsom salts will give you 200mg elemental magnesium
following this type of routine where you are applying the magnesium every hour or couple of hours during the day etc will provide good quality magnesium levels.
I put the magnesium oil (spray) into small spray bottles and had them in various locations
- in the loo, i would spray the tops of my legs every time I went
- by the bed, spray neck, shoulders, belly - when I went to bed, if I woke through the night and when i wake up
- by the computer spray neck, belly, legs when at computer
doing foot soaks /or baths in epsom salts every night - at least 1 cup of epsom salts will give you 200mg elemental magnesium
following this type of routine where you are applying the magnesium every hour or couple of hours during the day etc will provide good quality magnesium levels.
Gabes Ryan
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re: upper chest pain
Since you mention chronic GERD issues I’m wondering if you’ve had an EGD or 24-hr ph impedance study?
In 11/14 I had an acute esophageal “episode,” involving apple cider vinegar, and other ill-advised (because of dysmotility) irritants. After about a week when the intensity had diminished, I noticed that I still had persistent chest pains on the upper right side. An EGD/biopsy revealed little, so I was advised to have manometry testing, which indicated “ineffective swallowing.” This test was immediately followed by a 24 hour ph study, involving an overnight tube down the throat and a monitor/recorder which you have to wear continuously—so no bathing—and signal every time you have a “reflux event.” The tests are pretty awful, seem barbaric and primitive, and in my case revealed little that was new. Although reflux was determined to be symptomatic, it was not acidic, so DX=hypersensitive esophagus. Of course the only “solution” offered was to restart daily PPI’s. I did this for a month and since there was little, if any improvement, I again weaned myself off. After over two years there has really been no change—actually the chest pain has gotten worse since the CC began in 11/15.
But the EGD would show if there were ulcers, visible inflammation, etc. I think the only biopsy they did was for EE, and I wonder now whether there may have been other findings if they had been looking—analogous to having MC overlooked during a colonoscopy. Esophageal mast cells perhaps? At any rate none of my doctors seem in the least bit concerned, however it seems illogical to think there’s no connection between what’s happening in the upper and lower segments of my digestive tract.
So although none of these tests helped me much, they might help to identify or rule out other digestive issues for you, especially if there are any additional biopsies available(?) that can be requested by your doctor.
Since you mention chronic GERD issues I’m wondering if you’ve had an EGD or 24-hr ph impedance study?
In 11/14 I had an acute esophageal “episode,” involving apple cider vinegar, and other ill-advised (because of dysmotility) irritants. After about a week when the intensity had diminished, I noticed that I still had persistent chest pains on the upper right side. An EGD/biopsy revealed little, so I was advised to have manometry testing, which indicated “ineffective swallowing.” This test was immediately followed by a 24 hour ph study, involving an overnight tube down the throat and a monitor/recorder which you have to wear continuously—so no bathing—and signal every time you have a “reflux event.” The tests are pretty awful, seem barbaric and primitive, and in my case revealed little that was new. Although reflux was determined to be symptomatic, it was not acidic, so DX=hypersensitive esophagus. Of course the only “solution” offered was to restart daily PPI’s. I did this for a month and since there was little, if any improvement, I again weaned myself off. After over two years there has really been no change—actually the chest pain has gotten worse since the CC began in 11/15.
But the EGD would show if there were ulcers, visible inflammation, etc. I think the only biopsy they did was for EE, and I wonder now whether there may have been other findings if they had been looking—analogous to having MC overlooked during a colonoscopy. Esophageal mast cells perhaps? At any rate none of my doctors seem in the least bit concerned, however it seems illogical to think there’s no connection between what’s happening in the upper and lower segments of my digestive tract.
So although none of these tests helped me much, they might help to identify or rule out other digestive issues for you, especially if there are any additional biopsies available(?) that can be requested by your doctor.
TeriM
“Sometimes the light’s all shining on me,
other times I can barely see.” Robert Hunter
“Sometimes the light’s all shining on me,
other times I can barely see.” Robert Hunter
Thank you all. Teri - I did have an endoscopy back in fall of 2014 also, which showed only mild chronic gastritis, which is when they put me on a PPI and H2. Then in fall of 2015, while on the acid blockers, I had the same ph impedence and manometry test you had (horrible procedure which I'll never repeat), which showed:
- borderline normal/abnormal total number of reflux events, ie: I "might" have GERD (normal reflux episodes is less than 48 episodes, and I had exactly 48)
- it also showed a negative reflux symptom index (I felt symptoms in my chest, throat, stomach and tongue, but they did not correlate in an adequately high percentage with my actual reflux episodes -- hence my pain sensors seem to be super sensitive to nothing in particular)
- Interestingly though it showed I had a hypercontractile (jackhammer) esophagus that could represent "incompletely expressed achalasia, although patient doesn't meet criteria for having esophageal spasm" (I believe this may have been because I was super stressed when having this horrible test -- it felt like I couldn't breath)
- I also showed a tight LES under resting and integrated LES relaxation pressure
I have no trouble swallowing at all. And the pain in my chest (mostly left side) is mostly constant, so it's not like a passing esophageal spasm.
I've considered getting another endoscopy but hesitate to do so because 1. it's invasive and may cause more irritation and 2. I will never take another PPI or H2 (my body can't tolerate them and actually deteriorates on them), so what's the point.
At this point I'm thinking of just riding it out and giving it more time to get better, as it has been -- very slowly-- since I got off the PPI in June and the H2 in November.
I'm wondering if I have a hypersensitive esophagus too? I'm pretty sure that's it. My anxious brain has been trained to feel pain in that area. Are you on any meds for your GERD or chest pain?
Thanks so much.
PS -- What do you mean by the CC?
- borderline normal/abnormal total number of reflux events, ie: I "might" have GERD (normal reflux episodes is less than 48 episodes, and I had exactly 48)
- it also showed a negative reflux symptom index (I felt symptoms in my chest, throat, stomach and tongue, but they did not correlate in an adequately high percentage with my actual reflux episodes -- hence my pain sensors seem to be super sensitive to nothing in particular)
- Interestingly though it showed I had a hypercontractile (jackhammer) esophagus that could represent "incompletely expressed achalasia, although patient doesn't meet criteria for having esophageal spasm" (I believe this may have been because I was super stressed when having this horrible test -- it felt like I couldn't breath)
- I also showed a tight LES under resting and integrated LES relaxation pressure
I have no trouble swallowing at all. And the pain in my chest (mostly left side) is mostly constant, so it's not like a passing esophageal spasm.
I've considered getting another endoscopy but hesitate to do so because 1. it's invasive and may cause more irritation and 2. I will never take another PPI or H2 (my body can't tolerate them and actually deteriorates on them), so what's the point.
At this point I'm thinking of just riding it out and giving it more time to get better, as it has been -- very slowly-- since I got off the PPI in June and the H2 in November.
I'm wondering if I have a hypersensitive esophagus too? I'm pretty sure that's it. My anxious brain has been trained to feel pain in that area. Are you on any meds for your GERD or chest pain?
Thanks so much.
PS -- What do you mean by the CC?
Suzy,
CC=collagenous colitis. I’d never have those barbaric tests again either!
I try to avoid taking PPI’s—generic Protonix is what works for me— and do so only when I’m desperate. Some months, 1 or 2 and some months none. I’m now trying to substitute Zantac if needed, but am not sure yet if it really does the trick. Its odd that the PPI’s work so well, since apparently I don’t even have acidity issues. Guess it has to due with hypersensitivity.
I imagine your chest pain is more concerning to you since its on the left. Is it possible that your esophagus is hypersensitive and veers toward the left, so that the pain is focalized on that side only. My pain has been focalized in one particular spot on the right since it first began, and it seems to me that unless they biopsy that exact spot, they’ll never find anything.
If there are other aberrations analogous to those in the colon, that can be identified only if you look for them, perhaps another EGD would be helpful. But hope your pain continues to diminish though, so that additional testing won’t be necessary.
Wish I had more to offer.
CC=collagenous colitis. I’d never have those barbaric tests again either!
I try to avoid taking PPI’s—generic Protonix is what works for me— and do so only when I’m desperate. Some months, 1 or 2 and some months none. I’m now trying to substitute Zantac if needed, but am not sure yet if it really does the trick. Its odd that the PPI’s work so well, since apparently I don’t even have acidity issues. Guess it has to due with hypersensitivity.
I imagine your chest pain is more concerning to you since its on the left. Is it possible that your esophagus is hypersensitive and veers toward the left, so that the pain is focalized on that side only. My pain has been focalized in one particular spot on the right since it first began, and it seems to me that unless they biopsy that exact spot, they’ll never find anything.
If there are other aberrations analogous to those in the colon, that can be identified only if you look for them, perhaps another EGD would be helpful. But hope your pain continues to diminish though, so that additional testing won’t be necessary.
Wish I had more to offer.
TeriM
“Sometimes the light’s all shining on me,
other times I can barely see.” Robert Hunter
“Sometimes the light’s all shining on me,
other times I can barely see.” Robert Hunter
Thanks Teri. I know my heart is fine. I think it is hypersensitivity, but the pain sometimes is on the right -not left - which tells me it's also probably anxiety related (mind body syndrome or TMS, aka Dr John Sarno).
I'm just going to ignore it knowing it will improve in time, as my body slowly recovers from the damage done by the acid blockers. Boy do I regret ever taking those. My body did not like them one bit.
Is your right chest pain an ache? Or stabbing? Mine is more like an ache with sometimes an irritated feel.
Here's to good health for us all!
I'm just going to ignore it knowing it will improve in time, as my body slowly recovers from the damage done by the acid blockers. Boy do I regret ever taking those. My body did not like them one bit.
Is your right chest pain an ache? Or stabbing? Mine is more like an ache with sometimes an irritated feel.
Here's to good health for us all!
Suzy, glad there are no heart issues involved, and hope your pain continues to diminish. PPI’s can really wreak havoc, so it probably takes quite some time to heal. No doubt stress/anxiety can make things worse and prolong the healing process. So ignoring it might help it calm down.
For me its usually a stabbing, burning, pain almost always accompanied by gas. It intensifies as the gas moves upward and passes over the “spot,” diminishes as the gas is expelled, and then reverberates a bit—kind of like a sudden, painful hiccup. Often it occurs repetitively, and occasionally it just feels achy, without any gas. When it first began, it felt more like an actual burn. I too try to ignore it.
For me its usually a stabbing, burning, pain almost always accompanied by gas. It intensifies as the gas moves upward and passes over the “spot,” diminishes as the gas is expelled, and then reverberates a bit—kind of like a sudden, painful hiccup. Often it occurs repetitively, and occasionally it just feels achy, without any gas. When it first began, it felt more like an actual burn. I too try to ignore it.
TeriM
“Sometimes the light’s all shining on me,
other times I can barely see.” Robert Hunter
“Sometimes the light’s all shining on me,
other times I can barely see.” Robert Hunter