Attn: Tex - Gabe cholesterol results

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:45 pm

hi there Tex
no hurry on reply if you are not feeling 100%
based on discussion from a couple of weeks ago I was interested in your thoughts on my low cholesterol results.

All are Fasting Test Results

December 2015
Chol: 4.0
Triglycerides: 0.9
HDL Chol: 1.4
LDL Chol: 2.2

July 2016
Chol: 3.7
Triglycerides: 1.0
HDL Chol: 1.2
LDL Chol: 2.0
(all of these are mmol/L hopefully Aussie measurements are the same as USA)

of note
in Dec 2015 Vit B12 was 465 then in July 2016 Vit B12 was 378
(pmol/L) (australia only do further test for active B12 if you are below 340)

Post by **tex** » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:51 pm

Hi Gabes,

Well, they're low all right.

For anyone wondering what these results are in U.S. units, here are the results in ng/L (for lipids) and ng/dL (for B-12)

December 2015
Chol: 155
Triglycerides: 80
HDL Chol: 54
LDL Chol: 85

July 2016
Chol: 143
Triglycerides: 89
HDL Chol: 46
LDL Chol: 77

in Dec 2015 Vit B12 was 630 then in July 2016 Vit B12 was 512

I'm not sure what to make of them. Your HDL is normal, but LDL is low. Presumably that's healthy, if the medical view is correct. Personally I like to see higher total cholesterol numbers, but most docs love results such as those. IMO triglycerides are much more important than any of the other numbers, and that result is good, though it's heading in the wrong direction.

The B-12 numbers are OK, but I'm surprised that they're not much higher if you're taking methylcobalamin, but for all I know the test you had might measure the inactive form of B-12, rather than the active form.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Tex

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:02 pm

I havent had retesting done as I cant afford visit to functional doctor.

the combo of these results with parasites and low zinc has quite a few practitioners puzzled.
we will see what the next lot of test results reveal and see.

starfire · Post by **starfire** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:53 am

Wow, Gabe,
I'm very envious of your Triglycerides number. Mine was 176 a few weeks ago. It is always high.

Lou Ann · Post by **Lou Ann** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:52 pm

Gabes,
I also am envious of a couple of those numbers!!
If I might ask, are those numbers with no statins / mess involved?

Lou Ann

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:36 pm

never taken statins
the only meds i am currently taking are antidepressant/anti anxiety meds

i think it was the combo of high dose coconut, magnesium and diatomacous earth that I was taking to help clear toxic copper and cadmium.
with the LDL going so low I have stopped the coconut and diatomacous earth to see if it improves, and increased my intake of things like avocado, bacon etc.

Post by **tex** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:37 am

Gabes,

I think you've drawn the correct conclusions.

Diatomaceous earth has been shown to reduce blood cholesterol levels:

Abstract
In this study a potential influence of diatomaceus earth to lower blood cholesterol was investigated. During 12 weeks we monitored serum lipid concentrations in 19 healthy individuals with a history of moderate hypercholesterinemia (9 females, 10 males, aged 35 - 67 years). Individuals administered orally 250 mg diatomaceous earth three-times daily during an 8 weeks observation period. Serum concentrations of cholesterol, high-density lipoprotein cholesterol, low-density lipoprotein cholesterol and triglycerides levels were measured before study entry, every second week during the period of diatomaceous earth intake and 4 weeks after stop of intake. . . . Diatomaceous earth, a bioproduct, is capable of reducing blood cholesterol and positively influencing lipid metabolism in humans. Placebo-controlled studies will be necessary to confirm our findings.

Diatomaceous earth lowers blood cholesterol concentrations.

By contrast, there are a number of studies that show that coconut oil tends to raise cholesterol blood levels in lab rats and other animals, but there seem to be few studies based on humans. However, compared with soy oil for example, coconut oil has been shown to lower the LDL/HDL ratio.

Abstract
The effects of dietary supplementation with coconut oil on the biochemical and anthropometric profiles of women . . . It appears that dietetic supplementation with coconut oil does not cause dyslipidemia and seems to promote a reduction in abdominal obesity.

Effects of dietary coconut oil on the biochemical and anthropometric profiles of women presenting abdominal obesity.

And magnesium does indeed lower blood cholesterol levels.

Abstract
Cardiovascular disorders are the primary causes of morbidity and mortality in patients with diabetes mellitus (DM). Agents that improve lipid profile and reduce oxidative stress have been shown to reduce the ensuing risk factors. In the present study, we investigated whether increased magnesium intake could improve hyperglycaemia, dyslipidaemia, and reduce oxidative stress in alloxan-induced diabetic rats. . . . In conclusion, these results suggest that diet rich in magnesium could exert cardioprotective effect through reduced plasma total cholesterol, triglyceride, oxidative stress and ameliorated HDL-cholesterol/total cholesterol ratio as well as increased plasma ascorbic acid and magnesium in diabetic rats.

Effect of increased magnesium intake on plasma cholesterol, triglyceride and oxidative stress in alloxan-diabetic rats.

Tex

starfire · Post by **starfire** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:56 pm

If a person wanted to try Diatomaceous Earth to lower cholesterol, how can you judge how much to use.

I purchased some (food grade) to try giving to my cat to kill worms. I don't know for sure that he has them but he hunts on his own and has caught several mice already this year and probably more stuff that I don't know about. He has had worms more than once (hookworms & once a tapeworm). I can't get a fecal sample from him because he refuses to "go" anywhere except outside for the last couple of years. I am just guessing about how much to give him but would like to be a bit more sure about how much I take. Sounds heartless now that I have said it. I'm amazed that he is eating it mixed in his food but I don't put much in. Don't want to overdose him.

I knew this "earth" had been discussed before so I did a search. If nobody can give me an idea about dosage I'll probably try about 1/4 tsp but have no idea how often. I'm only giving it to my cat once a day.

Opinions and advice appreciated

Shirley

Post by **tex** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:14 pm

Shirley,

In the study I quoted, it appears that the subjects took 250 mg of diatomaceous earth three-times daily during an 8 week observation period.

The results hit the low point at 6 weeks. 250 mg is 0.00881849 ounces. You may have to use a pharmaceutical or chemist's scale (or balance) to measure such small amounts. DE is extremely light. It weighs practically nothing. The most practical way to measure it out would be by volume, but if you don't want to buy a balance, you would need to get a pharmacist to weight out the right amount and then see what it will fill (like 1/2 teaspoon, or a large capsule, etc.

Tex

starfire · Post by **starfire** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:30 am

Thank you Tex. I appreciate your help very much.

Shirley

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:49 pm

Shirley
apologies for the delay in replying

1/4 of teaspoon is a good starting dose. I started on 1/4 teaspoon and worked up gradually to 1 teaspoon

ensure you have the Diatomaceous earth either 1 hour before meals/supplements/medications or 2 hours after.

It can be constipating so for me, being prone to C, I increased water intake and had coconut oil capsules with the DE (coconut will also help to reduce cholesterol and clear toxins)

hope it goes well for you

starfire · Post by **starfire** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:23 pm

Thank you Gabe. I appreciate it. Not quite sure when I'll start it but I do plan to. Nice surprise that it can be constipating. LOL A little I could stand.

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:48 pm

I should have mentioned, I worked up to 1 teaspoon, twice a day and did this for three weeks. had a break for two weeks, and then 1 teaspoon twice daily, for three weeks.

starfire · Post by **starfire** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:07 am

So it's not something you have to use indefinitely?

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:59 pm

So it's not something you have to use indefinitely?

Definately not shirley...

after a 2-4 'rounds' of 3 week of intake, break another 3 week intake etc you should stop for a couple of months.

as DE soaks up metals, biotoxins, parasites, etc etc the process puts extra work onto your kidney and liver.

thats why i like it, it is treating the root cause of issues.
there are quite a few studies that show that having high cholesterol levels are found in people with parasite /excess metals / biotoxins infections. clear the parasites/biotoxins/metals and you lower the cholesterol

this article by Dr Mercola about the the detox system, is a bit sciency but it lists the multiple aspects in this subject area;
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... oxins.aspx

An undesirable course of events in an exposure to biotoxins is agglomeration in a hypercoagulation state. The distorted membrane with its weakened structure and almost absolute reduced fluidity is powerless to resist coagulation. A highly fluid membrane would kick off an accumulation of oxidized cholesterol; it would not permit it to attach. This is not the case when the membrane is compromised, as in much of the patient population affected with neurotoxic illness.