Rutin for a flare?

[wmonique2]

Hey friends,

What do you take for a flare? (like nausea etc...) My flares last several weeks. Other than soft foods, do you have a way to hurry the process?

A Crohnie friend mentioned Rutin to me (a bioflavonoid) he took when he flared and he said that it nipped it in the bud.

Anyone ever tried it? I am thinking about buying some just to have it on hand.

Chime in! Thanks.

(Hey Tex. A hug. Hope you are getting better, my friend)


Monique

[Gabes-Apg]

hi there Monique
rutin has key ingredient of quecertin in it. quecertin is often used to dampen histamine issues.

when I tried quercertin it didn't work for me. (noting I only tried it as straight quercertin not rutin form)

as I have mentioned frequently here and on the PP LDN FB group - I have fixed life long histamine issues via resolving magnesium and B6 deficiencies (taking the active form of B6 being P5P)
for the first 45 years of my life I could not walk into a house with a cat, since fixing the magnesium B6 issues, I can pat them, etc. in fact as I type this I am house sitting for a friend and looking after their cat, she is sitting beside me as I type this. so I can 'live' in a house with a cat no symptoms whatsoever.

similarly for the first 45 years of my life I could not be in close proximity to horses or horse equipment like saddles, etc. (asthma attacks, watery eyes, sneezing for hours afterwards) now I can pat horses and live on a farm with horses.

my thoughts are based on my experience and that of people Like Erica and others that have seen great benefit from magnesium and P5P, things like quercertin / rutin help to dampen histamine issues but magnesium and P5P fix the root cause of the issue.

a link to Erica's post about success with magnesium P5P -page two of this post
http://perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic ... 6&start=15

[Erica P-G]

PS....

I'm still doing great histamine wise by the way! Altering the B6 from 50-100 every so often based on different feeling days is working for me

[tex]

Hi Monique,

Thanks for the hug. Progress is slow now, but I'm doing pretty well. I'm able to do virtually anything I was doing before.

Hugs,

Tex

[WhirledPeas]

Re: B6 aka P5P

I found this board talking about The possibility of having constipation if you don't have a 2 to 1 ratio of magnesium two P5P/B6. It's a website related to children and autism but thought it was an interesting comment.

https://community.babycenter.com/post/a ... iquid_form

I bought the life flo pure magnesium oil by optimal health from whole foods which some of you use and squirted a few sprays on my forearms and two on tummy. So far in the last two hours no significant tingling or itching. How many sprays per day should I be doing and how often? I thought about putting it on the bottoms of my feet at bedtime with socks on. Is that a good idea?

Having a less difficult day and grateful for it, but still very weak overall. Less miserable is good! ;) also had a good chat for the first time since this happened with a guy friend who has UC, so he understands. He and his wife are going to start making bone broth and offered to make a bland version for me. Not sure when this will happen though. :)

Wen

[Gabes-Apg]

Wen
glad you had a less difficult day

check the label of your magnesium product and it should tell you how much elemental magnesium you are getting per x amount of ml etc. or that x sprays = y ml.
the minimum amount the body needs is about 350-400mg ELEMENTAL magnesium per day
to correct deficiency most people need about 600mg -700mg elemental magnesium per day for 6-12 weeks.

do as many sprays as it takes to get at least 600mg.
for me that product that I used (different to yours) that meant at least 4-5 times a day I would spray top of legs, tummy, shoulders, and neck.

[Erica P-G]

Hi Wen

Lifeflo 66.6 mg for every 4 sprays.

I have used 16 sprays in my palms and rubbed on certain areas of the body. That gave me 246mg.

You do your 4 sprays how you see fit

[WhirledPeas]

Thanks Gabes n Erica, I finally found it at the bottom of the bottle. Is there such a thing as a magnesium blood test to see if you're deficient? Before this flyer my GYN gave me a blood script to check various things and I'm wondering if she can add that on? Expensive?

Is it possible to have too much magnesium externally? Curious.

My other unpleasant symptoms have subsided this evening but now I have burning in my belly. I get gastritis sometimes. I'm going to avoid black tea and applesauce tomorrow. It could be stress or it could be not eating any starch since I cut out rice for two days to decrease the burping.

[Erica P-G]

Hi Wen
Well in the big scheme of things you can safely have up to 600mg a day of magnesium. Be sure you have good VitD levels 50-80 and if you feel like doing an RBC mag serum test it would need to show near 6 if I'm not mistaken from paying attention to others that have done the test. For the most part I haven't worried about a Mag test as long as my D levels are good

[Gabes-Apg]

to fix my magnesium deficiency I was doing at about 500mg - 600mg topically along with up to 400mg orally for a few months!

there are no health risks to excess topical magnesium.
if the body is getting too much via ORAL intake - it will cause diarrhea

[WhirledPeas]

Thank you Erica and Gabes for 411.
In March I participated in a medical study and it showed my vitamin D level as 50 which I shared with Tex on another public post a week ago. Every year my GYN orders bloodwork per my request and this year she has written a script for CBC, comprehensive metabolic profile 20, B12, folate. I showed her the heart study blood results and she ordered some of these things because of my increased LFTs and high homocysteine. I saw her two weeks before my foyer when I was healthy. I volunteered for the heart study because of my high cholesterol due to my MC diet (lack of enough fiber).

The vitamin D blood work was done in March when I was healthy. Do you think that I should have my vitamin D retested? Not sure if it can be affected by a month-long not sure if it can be affected by a month-long flare now my very limited diet of turkey, carrots, unsweetened applesauce and sometimes rice. This weekend I will be trying will steamed yellow squash. I might try that first before red potatoes.

I probably won't do the blood work for another month when I'm a bit stronger. I'm not sure if Vit D is part of any of those panels I mentioned.

[Gabes-Apg]

Monique - forgot to mention, in the past things like acupuncture helped nausea, and more recently supplements like molybdenum have helped. as I take high dose zinc for other health issues, if I am low in other nutrients like B6 and magnesium, then the high dose zinc can make me nauseous. Also making sure I have high protein meals multiple times in the day has helped to resolve this issue.

[WhirledPeas]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1855626/

If I read this correctly, there appears to be difficulty in assessing magnesium deficiency with an easy test. This is a new subject for me so perhaps someone else has some information on this. There seems to be rbc magnesium serum test and a magnesium tolerance test. These are two separate tests, correct?

If you have low magnesium, are there other things that are off as far as other bloodwork markers? I think I read something about calcium and potassium. Both of mine were in range in March when I was healthy. Pre-May 1st flare.

Interesting stuff.

Wen

[Gabes-Apg]

that is correct Wen.
current testing for magnesium is not a reliable indicator.

we have lots of posts and discussions about magnesium in this sticky at the top of the main message board.
http://perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20099

[WhirledPeas]

Thanks... :)