Hi all,
I would like to get advise about testing some food or not.
Last year I followed the paleo auto imuum protocol. What nightshades concerns I discovered that I can tolerate potatoes, but I react bad on tomatoos (burning eyes and osteoarthritisproblems) and egg plants and spices like chili, red peppers etc. I also can't tolerate paprikapowder.
I didn't test fresh paprika yet, because I'm afraid it will cause a bad reaction (especially for my osteoarthritis) and will takes two or more weeks to recover. On the other hand it should be nice to add a new food to my diet
Does anyone know something about the similarities and differences in nightshades? How big is the chance I react bad to fresh paprika?
I have something similar with beans. I can't tolerate soja, chick beans, broad beans and lentils, but it appears that I have no problems with dope weights. I didn't try other beans, like red kidney and am afraid to try them.
I should appreciate it to hear what your experiences are with these kind of food and what you would do if you should be me. For me it is very important to stop the process of osteoarthritis. Thank you very much.
Sonja
testing paprika and beans?
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Hello Sonja,
This is just a guess, because I don't know whether you have problems with histamines or not, but the main difference between fresh herbs and dried spices with regard to reactivity is the histamine level. Compared with fresh herbs, dried spices usually have a very high histamine level because the drying process naturally increases the histamine level by several orders of magnitude. Histamine symptoms, as you know, include things such as burning eyes, running nose, itching, etc.
Actually, many fresh herbs are usually high-histamine. It's the histamines that cause your eyes to water and your nose to run after you eat chili peppers, for example. But the difference is that after herbs and spices are dried, they can have an extremely high histamine level.
Maybe someone else can offer some insight about the beans. I don't eat beans, so I know very little about them. I know that most dried beans contain a lot of lectins, and lectins promote leaky gut, so be sure to soak them in water for a few hours before cooking, to help reduce the lectin content.
Tex
This is just a guess, because I don't know whether you have problems with histamines or not, but the main difference between fresh herbs and dried spices with regard to reactivity is the histamine level. Compared with fresh herbs, dried spices usually have a very high histamine level because the drying process naturally increases the histamine level by several orders of magnitude. Histamine symptoms, as you know, include things such as burning eyes, running nose, itching, etc.
Actually, many fresh herbs are usually high-histamine. It's the histamines that cause your eyes to water and your nose to run after you eat chili peppers, for example. But the difference is that after herbs and spices are dried, they can have an extremely high histamine level.
Maybe someone else can offer some insight about the beans. I don't eat beans, so I know very little about them. I know that most dried beans contain a lot of lectins, and lectins promote leaky gut, so be sure to soak them in water for a few hours before cooking, to help reduce the lectin content.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Sonja
my initial thought is, you are concerned about inflammation and your osteoarthritis why would you risk expanding your eating plan?
I have never tolerated any type of bean - I think this is because soy is a big trigger for me and I react to anything that is in the legume /bean family.
Agree with Tex's comment about lectins (europea and Erica just posted about a book that talks about lectins and the impact on leaky gut)
so far as fresh herbs, I can cook with small amount of rosemary etc, but do not eat the cooked herb. again linked to your concerns about arthritis I would be very cautious about any ingredient that will increase inflammation/histamine.
my initial thought is, you are concerned about inflammation and your osteoarthritis why would you risk expanding your eating plan?
I have never tolerated any type of bean - I think this is because soy is a big trigger for me and I react to anything that is in the legume /bean family.
Agree with Tex's comment about lectins (europea and Erica just posted about a book that talks about lectins and the impact on leaky gut)
so far as fresh herbs, I can cook with small amount of rosemary etc, but do not eat the cooked herb. again linked to your concerns about arthritis I would be very cautious about any ingredient that will increase inflammation/histamine.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Hello Tex,
Thank you for your answer. I didn't know that about the high level of histamines in dried spices.
I think indeed I may have a histamine problem but I find it so difficult to really find out. Some weeks ago I had an extreme stressful experience and one day later I got serious problems (intestines and osteoarthritis) that lasted for about ten days, while I was sure I sticked to my diet.
I think this was the histamine 'bucket' problem, but it is not easy to get it clear. Since then I also had a problem that lasted two weeks with nausea during a few hours in the morning. I wonder now of this nausea maybe has something to do with histamines?
Does anyone have similar experiences?
Sonja
Thank you for your answer. I didn't know that about the high level of histamines in dried spices.
I think indeed I may have a histamine problem but I find it so difficult to really find out. Some weeks ago I had an extreme stressful experience and one day later I got serious problems (intestines and osteoarthritis) that lasted for about ten days, while I was sure I sticked to my diet.
I think this was the histamine 'bucket' problem, but it is not easy to get it clear. Since then I also had a problem that lasted two weeks with nausea during a few hours in the morning. I wonder now of this nausea maybe has something to do with histamines?
Does anyone have similar experiences?
Sonja
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Excess histamine depletes Magnesium and B6 , stress also depletes key nutrients- and this could be part of the reason for your nausea
many here take P5P which is the active form of B6 (better utilised by the body)
please read ERica's post and her success with Magnesium and B6 and resolving chronic allergy issues
http://perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic ... 6&start=15
( I too have resolved life long allergy/histamine issues by fixing magnesium and B6 deficiency)
many here take P5P which is the active form of B6 (better utilised by the body)
please read ERica's post and her success with Magnesium and B6 and resolving chronic allergy issues
http://perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic ... 6&start=15
( I too have resolved life long allergy/histamine issues by fixing magnesium and B6 deficiency)
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Hello Gabes,
Tank you for your answer. You are right on target: why should I take the risk?
Better not because the inflammation is a big problem for me.
I don't really miss the paprika and the beans (and soja is a big trigger for me too).
My husband wants me to try the paprika and the beans because he would like to add them to our meals.
The solution is clear of course. Thank you Tex and Gabes; sometimes I need some support.
Sonja
Tank you for your answer. You are right on target: why should I take the risk?
Better not because the inflammation is a big problem for me.
I don't really miss the paprika and the beans (and soja is a big trigger for me too).
My husband wants me to try the paprika and the beans because he would like to add them to our meals.
The solution is clear of course. Thank you Tex and Gabes; sometimes I need some support. Sonja
That's good on the vitamin D (though it would be better if it were about 150 nmol/l), but your B-12 level is kind of low. It should be about twice that amount for good health. It's safe to take vitamin B-12, even when you don't need it. Be sure to take the methylcobalamine form of B-12, not cyanocobalamine.
Because of the "bucket" effect, a little paprika may be OK, but a large amount may be a problem.
Tex
Because of the "bucket" effect, a little paprika may be OK, but a large amount may be a problem.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Tex and Gabes,
I think you both are right.
I took a look at my earlier levels of Vt B12 and they were always between 350 en 400 (now 245). They were all from more than two years ago, when I changed my diet dramatically; especially skipping the yoghurt and cheese can be a factor and maybe also the histamine.
Besides my magnesium (400 mg) and vit D I take a mega multi (Vitaminshop) which has B6 7 mg in the p5p form (500%). The B12 is 29 mcg, but has the wrong form (cyanocobalamin). It is strange because on the list both forms are mentioned, but they scratched out the word methylcobalamine!!!
I have read Erica's post and I think indeed it is a good plan to take extra B12 in the good form. Do you think I also need extra B6?
And about the paprika and beans: I don't try them, because I am good in remission, but my balance is still fragile.
(For example: yesterday I ate some olives from which I don't know if they have additives with the consequence: more osteoarthritis pain, bad sleeping, sweating during the night, weight gain more than 1 kilo, loose stools and at this moment a nose bleeding. My typical reaction if I eat something wrong, which is due to inflammation I guess.)
Thank you very much for your advise and support.
Sonja
I think you both are right.
I took a look at my earlier levels of Vt B12 and they were always between 350 en 400 (now 245). They were all from more than two years ago, when I changed my diet dramatically; especially skipping the yoghurt and cheese can be a factor and maybe also the histamine.
Besides my magnesium (400 mg) and vit D I take a mega multi (Vitaminshop) which has B6 7 mg in the p5p form (500%). The B12 is 29 mcg, but has the wrong form (cyanocobalamin). It is strange because on the list both forms are mentioned, but they scratched out the word methylcobalamine!!!
I have read Erica's post and I think indeed it is a good plan to take extra B12 in the good form. Do you think I also need extra B6?
And about the paprika and beans: I don't try them, because I am good in remission, but my balance is still fragile.
(For example: yesterday I ate some olives from which I don't know if they have additives with the consequence: more osteoarthritis pain, bad sleeping, sweating during the night, weight gain more than 1 kilo, loose stools and at this moment a nose bleeding. My typical reaction if I eat something wrong, which is due to inflammation I guess.)
Thank you very much for your advise and support.
Sonja
B-12 is found mostly in meat and animal products. Vegans are almost always deficient because we can't get B-12 from plants. 29 mcg of B-12 is almost nothing. Multivitamins contain so little of everything that they are useless if you have a deficiency. You need to take at least 2 mg of B-12 and about 35 mg of B-6 to get better health. That's mg, not mcg.
Tex
Tex
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But agree with TEx, your current intake of B12 is low.
are you able to order from iHerb and get it delivered to Netherlands?
the Thorne Methyl Guard product is very good and the Thorne P5P product is also very good. These are the products I use.
https://au.iherb.com/pr/Thorne-Research ... Caps/18717
https://au.iherb.com/pr/Thorne-Research ... Caps/37456
my suggestion is - take ONE Of the methyl Guard product per day and then ONE of the Thorne P5P per day
this would be a good starting point for your situation.
when the histamine issues resolve you can have the P5P product every second day. (keep up the Methyl Guard product)
hope this makes sense.
are you able to order from iHerb and get it delivered to Netherlands?
the Thorne Methyl Guard product is very good and the Thorne P5P product is also very good. These are the products I use.
https://au.iherb.com/pr/Thorne-Research ... Caps/18717
https://au.iherb.com/pr/Thorne-Research ... Caps/37456
my suggestion is - take ONE Of the methyl Guard product per day and then ONE of the Thorne P5P per day
this would be a good starting point for your situation.
when the histamine issues resolve you can have the P5P product every second day. (keep up the Methyl Guard product)
hope this makes sense.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Hi Sonja,
Keep in mind that you may be taking in enough B-12 but that you may not be absorbing it, which is common as we age and also of course with gut issues. My B-12 slowly dropped over several years, to a low of 285. This is technically normal but I believed it was too low. (In Japan, anything below 500 is considered low). I am now supplementing with sublingual B-12 (methylcobalamine), which is working very well.
Polly
Keep in mind that you may be taking in enough B-12 but that you may not be absorbing it, which is common as we age and also of course with gut issues. My B-12 slowly dropped over several years, to a low of 285. This is technically normal but I believed it was too low. (In Japan, anything below 500 is considered low). I am now supplementing with sublingual B-12 (methylcobalamine), which is working very well.
Polly
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