I don't think I loved cheese less than anyone else. But I've made that call, too. I don't think it's an especially healthy food, in general, and I know it's not healthy for me!
(That's not an indicator of what you should do, by any means.)
I'm also "post-soy" - and am currently avoiding eggs, but considering (hoping for) a reunion. My soy result was not officially high at Enterolab, but I had been SF/GF/DF for about three months at the time of my test. My dairy result was still high, gluten even higher, ATT elevated. But my fecal fat score was normal - it's hard to put all the pieces together, right? We know we want the D to end, and we also have greater ambitions for our health than just ending the D, like feeling great, etc...
Good luck and good health,
S
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Thanks for the insight, Sara. I am surprised your fecal fat score was normal. I guess I had wrongly assumed most, if not all of us, had absorption issues while flaring. I think I believe at a gut level that if we eat totally non-inflammatory foods our health will be better. I may still
do the MRT testing to identify those foods but on some level I think I'm afraid to find out. First, I need to decide what to do about dairy, soy and eggs.
do the MRT testing to identify those foods but on some level I think I'm afraid to find out. First, I need to decide what to do about dairy, soy and eggs.
Most of us do have a malabsorption problem while we're reacting, even though most of us don't show a lot of small intestinal damage on the fecal fat test. Absorption takes time. The nutrients have to broken down into individual amino acids, and then they have to be absorbed through microscopically-sized openings in the tight junctions between the enterocytes that make up the surface of the lining in the small intestine. That can't happen when we eat something and then dump it in the toilet a few hours later. That's not enough time for the food to be completely digested, (most of it never gets to the amino acid stage), and even if it did, it doesn't linger in the small intestine long enough for any significant amount to be absorbed, before it passes into the colon. Nothing is absorbed in the colon except water and electrolytes, and when we have secretory D, (which is the high-volume D usually associated with MC), that doesn't even happen. Instead, with secretory D, water and electrolytes are infused into the colon, (not taken out of it).
Of course, if we have a high score on the fecal fat test, then we have a malabsorption problem even when we don't have D.
Tex
Of course, if we have a high score on the fecal fat test, then we have a malabsorption problem even when we don't have D.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Okay, I am confused. A puzzle for you.
I just did the Enterolab testing for the 3rd time. My previous results are above in this thread. I have continued eating dairy and eggs, not purposely seeking out soy, and avoiding gluten and pretty much staying in remission (a couple of flares over 7 years). About a month ago I think I was glutened (a lot) at a restaurant. Pretty sure they gave me a regular bun and not a gluten free one. I've had some knee pain periodically for about 6 months and it got very acute a couple of weeks ago. I sent in the Enterolab test and have now resorted to a meat, vegetable and fruit diet to see if that helps. Check out these results! I'd never done the complete panel before and the only food that showed up was a 1 and it was oats, which I seldom eat. I have no idea what to make of this but as we heal can we actually turn things around? I'm feeling pretty good these days, except for the knee.
Comprehensive Gluten/Antigenic Food Sensitivity Stool Panel
Fecal Anti-gliadin IgA 30 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-casein (cow’s milk) IgA 7 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA 6 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-soy IgA 7 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Mean Value 11 Antigenic Foods 8 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
While all of the foods tested can be immune-stimulating, the hierarchy of reactions detected were as follows:
Food to which there was no significant immunological reactivity:
Food to which there was some immunological reactivity (1+): oats
Food to which there was moderate immunological reactivity (2+): none
Food to which there was significant and/or the most immunological reactivity (3+):none
Food to which there was no significant immunological reactivity
Corn
Rice
Beef
Chicken
Pork
Tuna
Almond
Walnut
Cashew
White potato
Comprehensive Gluten/Antigenic Food Sensitivity Stool Panel
Fecal Anti-gliadin IgA 30 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-casein (cow’s milk) IgA 7 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA 6 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-soy IgA 7 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Mean Value 11 Antigenic Foods 8 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
While all of the foods tested can be immune-stimulating, the hierarchy of reactions detected were as follows:
Food to which there was no significant immunological reactivity:
Food to which there was some immunological reactivity (1+): oats
Food to which there was moderate immunological reactivity (2+): none
Food to which there was significant and/or the most immunological reactivity (3+):none
Food to which there was no significant immunological reactivity
Corn
Rice
Beef
Chicken
Pork
Tuna
Almond
Walnut
Cashew
White potato
The avenin in oats is similar to the gluten in wheat, so no surprise that it showed up as a problem, but strange that it ranked so low. With an overall score of 8, oats is theoretically a non-issue for you.
I'm beginning to wonder if for some individuals, after they resolve their leaky gut, sensitivities to other foods (or some or the other foods) other than gluten, might disappear.
But here's another angle. You never completely stopped eating some of those foods so you built up a tolerance for them (sort of like a self-administered immunotheraphy program). I experienced that myself, with casein a number of years ago. But the difference is, I still produced antibodies to casein, and sure enough, they cause osteoarthritis symptoms, so I had to stop eating casein again. Your casein antibodies, by comparison, disappeared.
Whatever the case, never look a gift horse in the mouth.
Do you mind if I add your new results to the list. They're very interesting, to say the least.
Tex
I'm beginning to wonder if for some individuals, after they resolve their leaky gut, sensitivities to other foods (or some or the other foods) other than gluten, might disappear.
But here's another angle. You never completely stopped eating some of those foods so you built up a tolerance for them (sort of like a self-administered immunotheraphy program). I experienced that myself, with casein a number of years ago. But the difference is, I still produced antibodies to casein, and sure enough, they cause osteoarthritis symptoms, so I had to stop eating casein again. Your casein antibodies, by comparison, disappeared.
Whatever the case, never look a gift horse in the mouth.
Do you mind if I add your new results to the list. They're very interesting, to say the least.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Deb,
I recently was glutened/sugared and had acute right knee issues. I was ready to call the knee surgeon LOL.
Pain was acute. I implemented the following:
Tylenol first couple of nights
Frozen bag of peas every 2-3 hours on knee for about 2 weeks
Mornings:
1 tsp fish oil
1 UC-11 (chicken cartilage)
Daily:
2 rinsed off anchovies (more fish oil)
3-4 cherries for dessert after every meal
1 glass of 1" tart cherry (this is expensive) mixed with san Pellegrino water (gout remedy)
Sporadic:
Ginger tea w/ ginger shavings
chicken curry (turmeric/curcumin)
glucosamine/chondrointon
The only thing I was doing prior to the incident was eating cherries. Everything else was implemented post incident due to the severity of the pain. After about 2-1/2 -3 weeks of this regimen--no pain. I think the ice helped the most.
I'm also doing foot and leg physical therapy exercises that will by default strengthen the knee with my trainer at the gym.
Hope you feel better soon!
I recently was glutened/sugared and had acute right knee issues. I was ready to call the knee surgeon LOL.
Pain was acute. I implemented the following:
Tylenol first couple of nights
Frozen bag of peas every 2-3 hours on knee for about 2 weeks
Mornings:
1 tsp fish oil
1 UC-11 (chicken cartilage)
Daily:
2 rinsed off anchovies (more fish oil)
3-4 cherries for dessert after every meal
1 glass of 1" tart cherry (this is expensive) mixed with san Pellegrino water (gout remedy)
Sporadic:
Ginger tea w/ ginger shavings
chicken curry (turmeric/curcumin)
glucosamine/chondrointon
The only thing I was doing prior to the incident was eating cherries. Everything else was implemented post incident due to the severity of the pain. After about 2-1/2 -3 weeks of this regimen--no pain. I think the ice helped the most.
I'm also doing foot and leg physical therapy exercises that will by default strengthen the knee with my trainer at the gym.
Hope you feel better soon!
Deb, I also did two cups of bone broth a day with 2 Tablespoons of Great Lakes green can collagen added to it.
Note to MCers--approach my above strategies with caution.
example--I can tolerate ginger tea after a meal but not in lieu of a meal.
I react severely (WD) to curcumin/turmeric supplements but can tolerate the herb in food.
I'm ok with 2-3 cherries after a meal but not more.
I'm ok with 4-5 blueberries after a meal (also anti inflammatory) but not 1/4-1/2 cup of blueberries.
Anchovies have histamine--this would be a problem for a lot of mcers.
Note to MCers--approach my above strategies with caution.
example--I can tolerate ginger tea after a meal but not in lieu of a meal.
I react severely (WD) to curcumin/turmeric supplements but can tolerate the herb in food.
I'm ok with 2-3 cherries after a meal but not more.
I'm ok with 4-5 blueberries after a meal (also anti inflammatory) but not 1/4-1/2 cup of blueberries.
Anchovies have histamine--this would be a problem for a lot of mcers.
I was curious why you were eating cherries and tart cherry (because I think cherries and blueberries, or at least the skin, would tear me up) so thank you for the explanation. I gather cherries and blueberries are anti-inflammatories?brandy wrote:Deb, I also did two cups of bone broth a day with 2 Tablespoons of Great Lakes green can collagen added to it.
Note to MCers--approach my above strategies with caution.
example--I can tolerate ginger tea after a meal but not in lieu of a meal.
I react severely (WD) to curcumin/turmeric supplements but can tolerate the herb in food.
I'm ok with 2-3 cherries after a meal but not more.
I'm ok with 4-5 blueberries after a meal (also anti inflammatory) but not 1/4-1/2 cup of blueberries.
Anchovies have histamine--this would be a problem for a lot of mcers.
Sue
Sue
Diagnosed November 2004, Used Asacol and Lialda, sometimes worked, sometimes made it worse. Entocort always works but hate it. Remission only lasts 3-6 months and then back on Entocort. Enterolab test July 2017, now gluten free. Time will tell!
Diagnosed November 2004, Used Asacol and Lialda, sometimes worked, sometimes made it worse. Entocort always works but hate it. Remission only lasts 3-6 months and then back on Entocort. Enterolab test July 2017, now gluten free. Time will tell!