Hi Team.
I became lactose intolerant a long, long time ago (right after I quit smoking, which I suspect had something to do with it) but when I wanted to have an occasional dairy treat, I would take a Lactaid tablet and be OK. I did the Enterolab testing a few weeks ago and my casein score was a 10 which I take to mean that if I do have an inflammatory reaction to casein, it's a mild one.
If I continue to occasionally have a dairy product and continue taking Lactaid with it, am I hindering or delaying my gut healing, or does lactose intolerance not cause the inflammatory effect that casein (and gluten) does?
I'm trying very hard to let my gut heal (gluten free for a few weeks now) and if the occasional lactose product will delay or hinder that, then I will refrain.
Lactose? Casein? Closely related in their inflammatory traits or different ball game? Thanks in advance.
Sue
P.S. Thought I posted this question several hours ago but apparently it didn't take so I'm trying again. If for some reason it shows up twice, my apologies.
Lactose Intolerance versus Casein Sensitivity?
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Lactose Intolerance versus Casein Sensitivity?
Sue
Diagnosed November 2004, Used Asacol and Lialda, sometimes worked, sometimes made it worse. Entocort always works but hate it. Remission only lasts 3-6 months and then back on Entocort. Enterolab test July 2017, now gluten free. Time will tell!
Diagnosed November 2004, Used Asacol and Lialda, sometimes worked, sometimes made it worse. Entocort always works but hate it. Remission only lasts 3-6 months and then back on Entocort. Enterolab test July 2017, now gluten free. Time will tell!
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Gabes-Apg
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A good article that explains about Caesin
Lactaid WILL NOT help the body digest/process casein
like Gluten, Casein is inflammatory to everybody, not just those with IBD's
http://www.amymyersmd.com/2013/04/the-dangers-of-dairy/
Lactaid WILL NOT help the body digest/process casein
like Gluten, Casein is inflammatory to everybody, not just those with IBD's
http://www.amymyersmd.com/2013/04/the-dangers-of-dairy/
Gabes Ryan
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Thanks for the article. So apparently lactose is the SUGAR in dairy while casein is one of the proteins in dairy. I guess if I could find a dairy product that had lactose but not casein I'd be OK, but I doubt such a thing exists.
I guess the answer is, yes, I could keep eating lactose (with a lactaid tablet) as long as I kept avoiding casein, but since I guess both ingredients are in dairy products, I should continue to stay off dairy. Did I interpret that correctly?
Sue
I guess the answer is, yes, I could keep eating lactose (with a lactaid tablet) as long as I kept avoiding casein, but since I guess both ingredients are in dairy products, I should continue to stay off dairy. Did I interpret that correctly?
Sue
Sue
Diagnosed November 2004, Used Asacol and Lialda, sometimes worked, sometimes made it worse. Entocort always works but hate it. Remission only lasts 3-6 months and then back on Entocort. Enterolab test July 2017, now gluten free. Time will tell!
Diagnosed November 2004, Used Asacol and Lialda, sometimes worked, sometimes made it worse. Entocort always works but hate it. Remission only lasts 3-6 months and then back on Entocort. Enterolab test July 2017, now gluten free. Time will tell!
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Gabes-Apg
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if you want to minimise inflammation and optimise healing yes.Did I interpret that correctly?
once there is has been some good healing, I know a few people here can have the occasional (ie no more than once or twice a month type thing) small serve of dairy.
I am yet to see a dairy product that is casein free.
there are soy and coconut based 'replacements' for cheese that do not have casein.
Gabes Ryan
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Thanks, Gabe.
I'll hang onto the thought that perhaps in 6 months or so I can go back to having my "once a month" ice cream treat. And thanks for the reminder that there are replacement ice creams and cheeses without casein. I'm trying to stay away from the "fake" stuff but if I ever get an urge I can't beat, it's nice to know there are safer ways to give into them.
Sue
I'll hang onto the thought that perhaps in 6 months or so I can go back to having my "once a month" ice cream treat. And thanks for the reminder that there are replacement ice creams and cheeses without casein. I'm trying to stay away from the "fake" stuff but if I ever get an urge I can't beat, it's nice to know there are safer ways to give into them.
Sue
Sue
Diagnosed November 2004, Used Asacol and Lialda, sometimes worked, sometimes made it worse. Entocort always works but hate it. Remission only lasts 3-6 months and then back on Entocort. Enterolab test July 2017, now gluten free. Time will tell!
Diagnosed November 2004, Used Asacol and Lialda, sometimes worked, sometimes made it worse. Entocort always works but hate it. Remission only lasts 3-6 months and then back on Entocort. Enterolab test July 2017, now gluten free. Time will tell!
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part of the success of a the MC Management plan is 'listen to your body'
if you have had a good week poop wise/symptom wise, good sleep, minimal stress, then having these occasional inflammatory ingredients generally is ok.
if you have them in a week that there has been increased stress, slight fluctuations in the poop etc then these types of 'treats' are more likely to cause you issues.
if you have had a good week poop wise/symptom wise, good sleep, minimal stress, then having these occasional inflammatory ingredients generally is ok.
if you have them in a week that there has been increased stress, slight fluctuations in the poop etc then these types of 'treats' are more likely to cause you issues.
Gabes Ryan
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"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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An example of this the 'listen to your body' approach
Yesterday (Sunday here in Aus) I was out and about with a Classic Car club for the day I left home at 6.45am
I had been eating my safest meals for the few days before hand, had my gabe safe protein rich breakfast before I left home, along with Vit D3, active B's etc
The group had organised to have Lunch at a restaurant and I had pre checked the menu for safe options, but I also packed some 'gabe safe' provisions for my lunch.
the plan was, if I had no symptoms or issues during the day, then I would buy lunch at the restaurant. If I wasn't feeling the best then I had my safe items with me.
I felt ok so purchased lunch at the restaurant. mid afternoon I had slight tummy gurgle that lasted 3 minutes
When I got home (which was about 12 hours later!!) I had some extra Vit D3 and magnesium, big drink of water and early night to bed.
this morning I am a bit tired (moreso from big day out, excitement of driving a different car, that mid afternoon caused a bit of stress when it broke down!)
but no other symptoms. for the next few days I will stick to the bland safe meals, take a little extra Vit D3 and magnesium (as I am also still recovering from the flu)
Yesterday (Sunday here in Aus) I was out and about with a Classic Car club for the day I left home at 6.45am
I had been eating my safest meals for the few days before hand, had my gabe safe protein rich breakfast before I left home, along with Vit D3, active B's etc
The group had organised to have Lunch at a restaurant and I had pre checked the menu for safe options, but I also packed some 'gabe safe' provisions for my lunch.
the plan was, if I had no symptoms or issues during the day, then I would buy lunch at the restaurant. If I wasn't feeling the best then I had my safe items with me.
I felt ok so purchased lunch at the restaurant. mid afternoon I had slight tummy gurgle that lasted 3 minutes
When I got home (which was about 12 hours later!!) I had some extra Vit D3 and magnesium, big drink of water and early night to bed.
this morning I am a bit tired (moreso from big day out, excitement of driving a different car, that mid afternoon caused a bit of stress when it broke down!)
but no other symptoms. for the next few days I will stick to the bland safe meals, take a little extra Vit D3 and magnesium (as I am also still recovering from the flu)
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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Sue,
Other members who have tried it claim that some brands of coconut ice cream are superb.
I used to eat ice cream virtually every day for desert, but I haven't had any in many years. I still miss it, but not enough to make the mistake of trying it again. In my case, it doesn't cause any digestive issues, but I get osteoarthritis symptoms if I eat it.
Tex
Other members who have tried it claim that some brands of coconut ice cream are superb.
I used to eat ice cream virtually every day for desert, but I haven't had any in many years. I still miss it, but not enough to make the mistake of trying it again. In my case, it doesn't cause any digestive issues, but I get osteoarthritis symptoms if I eat it.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Thanks, Tex. I'll have some coconut ice cream on hand "for emergencies" but since they are more than likely LOADED with sugars, I will try to avoid them. I guess there's no time like the present to start cutting back on sweets and trying to slowly wean myself off of those, too. No promises and not putting too much pressure on myself (can only do so much at once) but I'm going to try.
Sue
Sue
Sue
Diagnosed November 2004, Used Asacol and Lialda, sometimes worked, sometimes made it worse. Entocort always works but hate it. Remission only lasts 3-6 months and then back on Entocort. Enterolab test July 2017, now gluten free. Time will tell!
Diagnosed November 2004, Used Asacol and Lialda, sometimes worked, sometimes made it worse. Entocort always works but hate it. Remission only lasts 3-6 months and then back on Entocort. Enterolab test July 2017, now gluten free. Time will tell!
Good for you. I used to be a sugarholic or whatever you want to call someone who is hooked on sweets. Now I eat no sweets at all, and I have no regrets.
Tex
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
tex wrote:Good for you. I used to be a sugarholic or whatever you want to call someone who is hooked on sweets. Now I eat no sweets at all, and I have no regrets.
Tex
Sue
Diagnosed November 2004, Used Asacol and Lialda, sometimes worked, sometimes made it worse. Entocort always works but hate it. Remission only lasts 3-6 months and then back on Entocort. Enterolab test July 2017, now gluten free. Time will tell!
Diagnosed November 2004, Used Asacol and Lialda, sometimes worked, sometimes made it worse. Entocort always works but hate it. Remission only lasts 3-6 months and then back on Entocort. Enterolab test July 2017, now gluten free. Time will tell!
Almost makes me want to take up smoking again... it seems I'm slowly but surely taking away everything in my life that I used to use as a "reward". Somehow, I don't think finishing a big task and rewarding myself with a slice of turkey is going to cut it.tex wrote:Good for you. I used to be a sugarholic or whatever you want to call someone who is hooked on sweets. Now I eat no sweets at all, and I have no regrets.
Tex
Sue
Sue
Diagnosed November 2004, Used Asacol and Lialda, sometimes worked, sometimes made it worse. Entocort always works but hate it. Remission only lasts 3-6 months and then back on Entocort. Enterolab test July 2017, now gluten free. Time will tell!
Diagnosed November 2004, Used Asacol and Lialda, sometimes worked, sometimes made it worse. Entocort always works but hate it. Remission only lasts 3-6 months and then back on Entocort. Enterolab test July 2017, now gluten free. Time will tell!
But those are my staple foods lately. What do I get as a TREAT?!? Oh - I know ... lobster!!!tex wrote:I agree. That calls for a T-bone or ribeye grilled to perfection, along with a baked tater.
Tex
Sue
Sue
Diagnosed November 2004, Used Asacol and Lialda, sometimes worked, sometimes made it worse. Entocort always works but hate it. Remission only lasts 3-6 months and then back on Entocort. Enterolab test July 2017, now gluten free. Time will tell!
Diagnosed November 2004, Used Asacol and Lialda, sometimes worked, sometimes made it worse. Entocort always works but hate it. Remission only lasts 3-6 months and then back on Entocort. Enterolab test July 2017, now gluten free. Time will tell!
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Sue
I am a former sugar holic - big emotional eater (started from young age thanks to my mum dunking my dummy/pacifier in honey to settle me!!)
it took me 2 years as part of my MC management plan to kick that 40 year habit.
rewards for me are ingredients that are still safe, but are a bit more expensive that I cant afford week to week, things like duck, wild caught salmon, eating out with friends, other game meats etc.
with time we can retrain our brains, tastebuds etc. that is where the mental and emotional aspects of the healing journey come in. The eating plan and the supps are key, but it is our mental and emotional wellbeing that is key to wellness..
I am a former sugar holic - big emotional eater (started from young age thanks to my mum dunking my dummy/pacifier in honey to settle me!!)
it took me 2 years as part of my MC management plan to kick that 40 year habit.
rewards for me are ingredients that are still safe, but are a bit more expensive that I cant afford week to week, things like duck, wild caught salmon, eating out with friends, other game meats etc.
with time we can retrain our brains, tastebuds etc. that is where the mental and emotional aspects of the healing journey come in. The eating plan and the supps are key, but it is our mental and emotional wellbeing that is key to wellness..
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama