Hi All!
As you can see from my recent posts, I am increasingly concerned about how our food supply is poisoning us. I have seen studies where Roundup (glyphosate) has caused tumors in mice, as well as diarrhea, an increase in "bad" gut bacteria, and an increase in bile acid production (I myself need to take daily bile acid binders, and 60% of MCers are believed to have bile acid issues). Also, it may be that our gluten sensitivity is due to the fact that wheat (and now other crops like oats) are saturated in Roundup to make them dry faster (which increases the gluten fraction in the case of wheat) and the fact that glyphosate itself is implicated in causing leaky gut.
But don't listen to me. There is an incredible 9-episode series of talks by the experts currently airing. If you go to
www.march-against-monsanto.com
you will see the series listed at the top of the home page - it is called "GMOs Revealed". I urge everyone to check out as many of the talks as they can. If time is limited, I would recommend watching the talks by Dr. Zach Bush in episodes 1 and 2, as well as the talk by Mike Adams in episode 5. This info is chilling, to say the least.
Polly
We Are Being Poisoned!
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We Are Being Poisoned!
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Deb,
It is indeed very scary. I'll be interested to hear what you think if you get a chance to listen to some of the talks.
I am not one who buys into conspiracy theories, but I have become increasingly convinced that we are participating in a huge experiment by the chemical companies (without our consent but with the consent of our gov't) that is ruining our health and could, in fact, be the end of humanity. It is actually chemical warfare on a huge scale. And the only motive is pure greed. You will not believe the tactics the chem. companies resort to to silence any scientists who disagree with them. It's pure Nazi Germany stuff. Mike Adams, who is an independent scientist who tests foods off the shelves for glyphosate and has the website naturalnews.com (where he posts the studies about the serious and increasing harm caused by these chemicals) has had his website hacked into and taken down. He carries a loaded gun. It's incredible.
Polly
It is indeed very scary. I'll be interested to hear what you think if you get a chance to listen to some of the talks.
I am not one who buys into conspiracy theories, but I have become increasingly convinced that we are participating in a huge experiment by the chemical companies (without our consent but with the consent of our gov't) that is ruining our health and could, in fact, be the end of humanity. It is actually chemical warfare on a huge scale. And the only motive is pure greed. You will not believe the tactics the chem. companies resort to to silence any scientists who disagree with them. It's pure Nazi Germany stuff. Mike Adams, who is an independent scientist who tests foods off the shelves for glyphosate and has the website naturalnews.com (where he posts the studies about the serious and increasing harm caused by these chemicals) has had his website hacked into and taken down. He carries a loaded gun. It's incredible.
Polly
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Polly good post and great topic overall. You are very correct regarding the tactics used by many of the large chemical and food industries. They will stop at just about nothing in the pursuit profits.
Like you this year we are getting all of our meats and vegetables from a local community farm. The owner does not use any pesticides, antibiotics, GMO seeds or artificial fertilizers, he just uses the farming practices that worked for thousands of years before big agriculture etc..
Along the lines of the nefarious techniques that are used in the pursuit of profits, Benjamin Franklin had a pretty good quote regarding this:
"He that is of the opinion money will do everything may well be suspected of doing everything for money."
Although a bit off topic, but funny, Will Rogers had a slightly different quote:
"A fool and his money are soon elected"
Like you this year we are getting all of our meats and vegetables from a local community farm. The owner does not use any pesticides, antibiotics, GMO seeds or artificial fertilizers, he just uses the farming practices that worked for thousands of years before big agriculture etc..
Along the lines of the nefarious techniques that are used in the pursuit of profits, Benjamin Franklin had a pretty good quote regarding this:
"He that is of the opinion money will do everything may well be suspected of doing everything for money."
Although a bit off topic, but funny, Will Rogers had a slightly different quote:
"A fool and his money are soon elected"
Joe
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Hi Joe,
Good to "see" you again. I hope you're doing well these days.
To anyone interested in the concept of "corporate greed",
Having served on a couple of boards in my life, I am definitely not a fan of corporate bureaucracy, but in defense of the boards that control most public corporations, I feel obligated to point out that their relentless push to maximize profits comes not so much from themselves, but from the stockholders, who demand maximum profits. Private companies are a different matter, because they're the captain of their own ship.
Tex
Good to "see" you again. I hope you're doing well these days.
To anyone interested in the concept of "corporate greed",
Having served on a couple of boards in my life, I am definitely not a fan of corporate bureaucracy, but in defense of the boards that control most public corporations, I feel obligated to point out that their relentless push to maximize profits comes not so much from themselves, but from the stockholders, who demand maximum profits. Private companies are a different matter, because they're the captain of their own ship.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Hello Deb, Jean & Tex. I am doing pretty well, it was a very tough few years medically, but things have settled down.
Jean I remember taking those pictures, that was a great visit, thank you for having me & Nestle over. If I remember correctly that picture was taken at the park just across from where you lived at that time. That was a very nice area.
Tex good points, and very very true. It seems that at least in cases like Monsanto that it becomes a self serving entity fueled by the desire for profits. With a large organization like that most who work there feel they are pursuing the right goals with the companies products. They have large marketing, promotional, legal and sales forces that all work towards a common goal of more products and profits.
That by itself is not bad, its how a company succeeds and survives. Its when those resources turn to silencing detractors and protecting their profits even at the expense of the publics health, that when the problems as we are talking about begin.
Here are some links to good write-ups on this topic of how Monsanto has handled various parts of this affair.
You be the judge:
"Monsanto attempts takedown of agency linking its weedkiller to cancer"
http://www.politico.eu/article/monsanto ... ancer/amp/
"Monsanto Caught Ghost-Writing Pieces Published In Forbes"
https://foodbabe.com/2017/08/03/monsant ... ed-forbes/
"Monsanto Emails Raise Issue of Influencing Research on Roundup Weed Killer"
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/busi ... mails.html
Jean I remember taking those pictures, that was a great visit, thank you for having me & Nestle over. If I remember correctly that picture was taken at the park just across from where you lived at that time. That was a very nice area.
Tex good points, and very very true. It seems that at least in cases like Monsanto that it becomes a self serving entity fueled by the desire for profits. With a large organization like that most who work there feel they are pursuing the right goals with the companies products. They have large marketing, promotional, legal and sales forces that all work towards a common goal of more products and profits.
That by itself is not bad, its how a company succeeds and survives. Its when those resources turn to silencing detractors and protecting their profits even at the expense of the publics health, that when the problems as we are talking about begin.
Here are some links to good write-ups on this topic of how Monsanto has handled various parts of this affair.
You be the judge:
"Monsanto attempts takedown of agency linking its weedkiller to cancer"
http://www.politico.eu/article/monsanto ... ancer/amp/
"Monsanto Caught Ghost-Writing Pieces Published In Forbes"
https://foodbabe.com/2017/08/03/monsant ... ed-forbes/
"Monsanto Emails Raise Issue of Influencing Research on Roundup Weed Killer"
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/01/busi ... mails.html
Joe
Oh, I'm not trying to defend Monsanto — most farmers dislike Monsanto as much as everyone else. I was merely pointing out where the blame for "corporate greed" in general should be placed.
I think Monsanto is sailing down an increasingly narrow channel, and they probably no longer have the option of turning around.
Tex
I think Monsanto is sailing down an increasingly narrow channel, and they probably no longer have the option of turning around.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Joe,
Good to see you here! Glad things have settled down for you. Thanks for posting those references.
Like Jean, the picture I have on my avatar is one from your camera when you visited a few years ago! It was so much fun eating steamed crabs with you!
Tex, good comments. I have a problem with the fact that certain critical areas should not be beholden to stockholders but rather "stakeholders". For example, health care. It used to be illegal to profit off of health care - I think the law was changed in the late 70s. That's when we saw all of those HMOs springing up, with their huge administrative costs and CEO salaries. It gives me chills every time I think of Monsanto, Syngenta, etc., being in charge of the world's food supply. UGH.
Polly
Good to see you here! Glad things have settled down for you. Thanks for posting those references.
Like Jean, the picture I have on my avatar is one from your camera when you visited a few years ago! It was so much fun eating steamed crabs with you!
Tex, good comments. I have a problem with the fact that certain critical areas should not be beholden to stockholders but rather "stakeholders". For example, health care. It used to be illegal to profit off of health care - I think the law was changed in the late 70s. That's when we saw all of those HMOs springing up, with their huge administrative costs and CEO salaries. It gives me chills every time I think of Monsanto, Syngenta, etc., being in charge of the world's food supply. UGH.
Polly
Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.
Polly,
As you may remember, I grew up in Norway. Since I came to the USA in 1971, I have always felt that there is something lacking in the flavor of the food grown in this country. For instance, the strawberries don't taste like "real" strawberries, the plums don't have the wonderful flavor of plums, eggs don't taste like eggs, etc. - I could go on and on.
Anyhow, during the 7 years I have been working on tweaking my diet, the only time I experienced Norman more or less consistently was on a 3 week trip to Norway. When I got back home, my stools reverted to loose. I don't really know how they treat the soil in Norway, but I can say that the food tasted better there. That trip is now about five and a half years ago, and despite my best efforts, Norman has been sadly missing.
Back to now. I'm about to spend 2 weeks in Norway, and I'm very curious to see if eating Norwegian food will make any difference in the consistency of my BM's. I eat plain, mostly unprocessed, organic food, and will do the same in Norway. Your comment about Non-GMO versus organic was very interesting and a little scary. I have started to pay attention, and have discovered that many items that are labeled Non-GMO, are not organic. Thanks for bringing this issue to light.
I will try to update here about how my system reacts to eating in Norway.
Love,
Kari
As you may remember, I grew up in Norway. Since I came to the USA in 1971, I have always felt that there is something lacking in the flavor of the food grown in this country. For instance, the strawberries don't taste like "real" strawberries, the plums don't have the wonderful flavor of plums, eggs don't taste like eggs, etc. - I could go on and on.
Anyhow, during the 7 years I have been working on tweaking my diet, the only time I experienced Norman more or less consistently was on a 3 week trip to Norway. When I got back home, my stools reverted to loose. I don't really know how they treat the soil in Norway, but I can say that the food tasted better there. That trip is now about five and a half years ago, and despite my best efforts, Norman has been sadly missing.
Back to now. I'm about to spend 2 weeks in Norway, and I'm very curious to see if eating Norwegian food will make any difference in the consistency of my BM's. I eat plain, mostly unprocessed, organic food, and will do the same in Norway. Your comment about Non-GMO versus organic was very interesting and a little scary. I have started to pay attention, and have discovered that many items that are labeled Non-GMO, are not organic. Thanks for bringing this issue to light.
I will try to update here about how my system reacts to eating in Norway.
Love,
Kari
"My mouth waters whenever I pass a bakery shop and sniff the aroma of fresh bread, but I am also grateful simply to be alive and sniffing." Dr. Bernstein
Hi Kari! Good to see you.
I'll be interested to hear how you do in Norway. It seems that many times here, when people return from other countries, they say that they had no problems eating the food there. I was in Canada last July and in Mexico this April, and my gut did extremely well while gone.
I know that Europe is far more concerned about Roundup than we are......the allowable amount is far less.
Have a great time!
Love,
Polly
I'll be interested to hear how you do in Norway. It seems that many times here, when people return from other countries, they say that they had no problems eating the food there. I was in Canada last July and in Mexico this April, and my gut did extremely well while gone.
I know that Europe is far more concerned about Roundup than we are......the allowable amount is far less.
Have a great time!
Love,
Polly
Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.
In the US fruits and veggies are grown for extended shelf life and extended trucking. In continental Europe, produce is grown for flavor, the produce is not trucked to death, and Europeans eat more seasonally.
The strawberries that I picked in the 1960s in Maryland had a lot of flavor. The strawberries produced now are flavorless. The strawberry biz is in the hands of a few growers. Driscolls controls 25% of the US market. Sadly, the following fruits sold in Publix are flavorless: Driscolls strawberries, peaches and pears and tomatoes. I have not eaten a peach in decades because why bother.
I definitely found the produce in Germany and Italy to have a lot more flavor. "Spargal" (fresh white asparagus) season was a big deal in Germany. Hand written tacked up signs were posted everywhere during "Spargal" season.
My sister who lived in Germany and Italy for about 6 years said the continental Europeans ate more "seasonally" than Americans and she did not think the produce was trucked as far.
She said Europeans would not stand for the tasteless fruit that passes for fruit in the US.
The strawberries that I picked in the 1960s in Maryland had a lot of flavor. The strawberries produced now are flavorless. The strawberry biz is in the hands of a few growers. Driscolls controls 25% of the US market. Sadly, the following fruits sold in Publix are flavorless: Driscolls strawberries, peaches and pears and tomatoes. I have not eaten a peach in decades because why bother.
I definitely found the produce in Germany and Italy to have a lot more flavor. "Spargal" (fresh white asparagus) season was a big deal in Germany. Hand written tacked up signs were posted everywhere during "Spargal" season.
My sister who lived in Germany and Italy for about 6 years said the continental Europeans ate more "seasonally" than Americans and she did not think the produce was trucked as far.
She said Europeans would not stand for the tasteless fruit that passes for fruit in the US.
My daughter reported the same thing when she was in France...each time she went she was amazed at the food quality and the outdoor markets ....
It will be an interesting experiment Kari, when you are immersed in Norway culture...can't wait to hear Jo's you do....
Sunny
It will be an interesting experiment Kari, when you are immersed in Norway culture...can't wait to hear Jo's you do....
Sunny
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