more Magnesium supplementation information

Feel free to discuss any topic of general interest, so long as nothing you post here is likely to be interpreted as insulting, and/or inflammatory, nor clearly designed to provoke any individual or group. Please be considerate of others feelings, and they will be considerate of yours.

Moderators: Rosie, Stanz, Jean, CAMary, moremuscle, JFR, Dee, xet, Peggy, Matthew, Gabes-Apg, grannyh, Gloria, Mars, starfire, Polly, Joefnh

User avatar
ldubois7
Rockhopper Penguin
Rockhopper Penguin
Posts: 1415
Joined: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:23 am
Location: Pennsylvania

Post by ldubois7 »

Gabes,

I’m confused by what I’m reading online. Some suggest that the calcium to magnesium ration is 1:1, and some say 3:1.....and then there’s K2 & vit. D3 to consider.

What’s your opinion from your reading?
Linda :)

LC Oct. 2012
MTHFR gene mutation and many more....
User avatar
tex
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 35070
Joined: Tue May 24, 2005 9:00 am
Location: Central Texas

Post by tex »

Hi Linda,

According to some sources, joint pain can indeed be due to insufficient magnesium. Here are a couple of articles about that:

Magnesium Deficiency Joint Pain

Joint Pain And Magnesium — What You Need to Know

I assume you've read Dr. Carolyn Dean's cautions about starting slowly to prevent magnesium issues:

When Magnesium Makes Me Worse

Tex
:cowboy:

It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
User avatar
tex
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 35070
Joined: Tue May 24, 2005 9:00 am
Location: Central Texas

Post by tex »

LInda,

The 3:1 or 2:1 calcium/magnesium ratio was the old recommendation. If you believe the modern gurus, the ratio should be 1:1.

Tex
:cowboy:

It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
User avatar
tex
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 35070
Joined: Tue May 24, 2005 9:00 am
Location: Central Texas

Post by tex »

Here's some research:

Modifying effect of calcium/magnesium intake ratio and mortality: a population-based cohort study

And here's Dr. Sircus' viewpoint on the subject. He has some good Points:

Calcium Magnesium Balance

Tex
:cowboy:

It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
User avatar
ldubois7
Rockhopper Penguin
Rockhopper Penguin
Posts: 1415
Joined: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:23 am
Location: Pennsylvania

Post by ldubois7 »

Thanks, Tex!

I was not taking a 1:1 ratio. My doc had told me to take 600mg of Magnesium, but hadn’t said anything about calcium.
I’ll up my calcium to 600 & see if the joint aches ease.

Do you take K2 with your D3? I was taking K2 until I realized it had soy in the brand I was taking.
Linda :)

LC Oct. 2012
MTHFR gene mutation and many more....
User avatar
tex
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 35070
Joined: Tue May 24, 2005 9:00 am
Location: Central Texas

Post by tex »

No, I can't take K2 because it can interfere with blood thinners. I take Plavix to reduce stroke risk.

Tex
:cowboy:

It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
User avatar
Gabes-Apg
Emperor Penguin
Emperor Penguin
Posts: 8332
Joined: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:12 pm
Location: Hunter Valley NSW Australia

Post by Gabes-Apg »

up calcium to 600mg or magnesium??

upping the calcium will deplete more magnesium.
Gabes Ryan

"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
User avatar
ldubois7
Rockhopper Penguin
Rockhopper Penguin
Posts: 1415
Joined: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:23 am
Location: Pennsylvania

Post by ldubois7 »

Gabes, I’m confused. I thought to ratio is 1:1?
Linda :)

LC Oct. 2012
MTHFR gene mutation and many more....
User avatar
Gabes-Apg
Emperor Penguin
Emperor Penguin
Posts: 8332
Joined: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:12 pm
Location: Hunter Valley NSW Australia

Post by Gabes-Apg »

yes ratio is 1:1
the interpretation is that for for every mg of calcium you take you need 'ADDITIONAL' mg of magnesium ABOVE the daily requirement for Magnesium

ie RDA for magnesium is 350-400mg elemental magnesium per day.
if you take calcium, you need to increase your elemental magnesium intake 1:1 ratio above the RDA for magnesium to ensure you dont deplete magnesium

leg cramps are main symptom of magnesium deficiency. increasing calcium wont remove leg cramps it will make them worse.

the other aspect to this is why take calcium?? (or take so much calcium) calcium does not build bones, Vit D3 and magnesium does.
Gabes Ryan

"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
User avatar
ldubois7
Rockhopper Penguin
Rockhopper Penguin
Posts: 1415
Joined: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:23 am
Location: Pennsylvania

Post by ldubois7 »

Gabes,

I agree...why take it...I guess I read a long time ago you needed both together to help the magnesium work correctly.

I think I’ll drastically reduce it, or stop the calcium.

Thanks! 😁
Linda :)

LC Oct. 2012
MTHFR gene mutation and many more....
henrym
Adélie Penguin
Adélie Penguin
Posts: 137
Joined: Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:03 pm
Location: Belgium

Post by henrym »

So am I correct the general consensus here is that it is not necessary to take calcium as a supplement? Sometimes I wonder if we get enough calcium due to our lactose free diets (and when I listen to the cracking sound of my joints)..
User avatar
Erica P-G
Rockhopper Penguin
Rockhopper Penguin
Posts: 1815
Joined: Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:06 pm
Location: WA State

Post by Erica P-G »

Hi Henry
Correct I do not feel we need to supplement with calcium.

There is new discoveries about electromagnetic fields interrupting our cells and creating calcium channel blockers so we need the magnesium to open them up so the calcium doesn’t get built up in our body. I will share a link I just read on this.
To Succeed you have to Believe in something with such a passion that it becomes a Reality - Anita Roddick
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
User avatar
Erica P-G
Rockhopper Penguin
Rockhopper Penguin
Posts: 1815
Joined: Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:06 pm
Location: WA State

Post by Erica P-G »

To Succeed you have to Believe in something with such a passion that it becomes a Reality - Anita Roddick
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
User avatar
ldubois7
Rockhopper Penguin
Rockhopper Penguin
Posts: 1415
Joined: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:23 am
Location: Pennsylvania

Post by ldubois7 »

But...when I stop taking calcium, I get an ulcer on my tongue....what’s that all about?
Linda :)

LC Oct. 2012
MTHFR gene mutation and many more....
brandy
King Penguin
King Penguin
Posts: 2909
Joined: Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:54 am
Location: Florida

Post by brandy »

Henry, I'm getting all of my calcium from almond milk. 2-1/2 cups per day.
Post Reply

Return to “Main Message Board”