Indeed Gabes...
It was presented in such a compact way, and the B6 explanation spoke to me and because they all work in sync with one another I hope this helps with explaining it to more people in a way they can grasp why these components need to be together and why.
I truly feel the B6 has been a huge help in my histamine recovery this year.
Magnesium - Summary of posts with good info
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P5P B6
If we are not taking P5P as part of ReAlign, how many mg's should we be taking every day? I purchased Solgar 50mg and am taking 1 each morning with food as the bottle instructs. Is that enough?
Thank you for all the great info from everyone on supplements.
Desche
Thank you for all the great info from everyone on supplements.
Desche
Hi Desche,
The 50mg active P5P B6 ought to be just fine for maintenance. When I am feeling more mucus come on or my nose gets runny after eating I will take an additional 50mg that day. It is safe to take up to 400mg in one day, but I would not do this on a long term basis unless it was under a Drs care
Cheers
Erica
The 50mg active P5P B6 ought to be just fine for maintenance. When I am feeling more mucus come on or my nose gets runny after eating I will take an additional 50mg that day. It is safe to take up to 400mg in one day, but I would not do this on a long term basis unless it was under a Drs care
Cheers
Erica
To Succeed you have to Believe in something with such a passion that it becomes a Reality - Anita Roddick
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
Sorry if I am on the wrong thread.. I have a question about mag oil brands. Which one to choose?
I moved to China recently and so far the 4 bands I can get here are Mo Maggies, Life-flo, Swansons and Asutra (oil and flakes). I have been using Mo Maggies the last month with good results but it is really expensive over here. Anyone has experience with the other brands? I am thinking of buying the Life-flo or the Asutra flakes and make my own mag oil. But I am not sure if the brand is reliable.
I moved to China recently and so far the 4 bands I can get here are Mo Maggies, Life-flo, Swansons and Asutra (oil and flakes). I have been using Mo Maggies the last month with good results but it is really expensive over here. Anyone has experience with the other brands? I am thinking of buying the Life-flo or the Asutra flakes and make my own mag oil. But I am not sure if the brand is reliable.
Hi Henry,
I've used Life-flo brand with seemingly good results. I think it's fairly popular among members here. Magnesium chloride salts, dissolved in water, should work well.
Tex
I've used Life-flo brand with seemingly good results. I think it's fairly popular among members here. Magnesium chloride salts, dissolved in water, should work well.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I'm sure there probably is a difference, but I think I'd better leave that explanation to someone who is more familiar with these products than I am. The oil would have to be oil-based, but the lotion may be water-based. And there may be additional ingredients.
That sort of practice reminds me of the old "snake oil" sales pitches, but it may be a good product for all I know.
Tex
I agree with you. Doctors don't usually recommend magnesium, so using that image on a product seems rather misleading.Henry wrote:But somehow I don't trust a brand which displays a photo of a 'doctor' on its product..
That sort of practice reminds me of the old "snake oil" sales pitches, but it may be a good product for all I know.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Magnesium L-Threonate
I'm a newbie to this site and love the wealth of information since I received so little from my doctor. I just started the phase one diet after getting a little bit of relief with low FODMAP. I need more than a little bit of relief from the embarrassing D.
Before I found this site my new psychiatrist had me start taking a new magnesium compound called Magtein for anxiety. I had told him that I've had difficulty in the past with magnesium causing D even when I wasn't having a MC flare-up. He said this new compound, Magnesium L-Threonate, has been found to be less harsh on the intestinal tract and also crosses the BBB which is why it helps with anxiety. I've been taking 2 capsules of 144mg each which has helped with the anxiety. The bottle doesn't say how much elemental magnesium is in each capsule and is kind of pricey. Has anyone else tried this compound of magnesium?
Should I perhaps get a magnesium cream to increase the amount of elemental magnesium to a therapeutic level?
Thank you.
Michele Malcolm
Before I found this site my new psychiatrist had me start taking a new magnesium compound called Magtein for anxiety. I had told him that I've had difficulty in the past with magnesium causing D even when I wasn't having a MC flare-up. He said this new compound, Magnesium L-Threonate, has been found to be less harsh on the intestinal tract and also crosses the BBB which is why it helps with anxiety. I've been taking 2 capsules of 144mg each which has helped with the anxiety. The bottle doesn't say how much elemental magnesium is in each capsule and is kind of pricey. Has anyone else tried this compound of magnesium?
Should I perhaps get a magnesium cream to increase the amount of elemental magnesium to a therapeutic level?
Thank you.
Michele Malcolm
Hi I used Mag-L threonate to begin with, it was spendy but it worked an no D, but then I switched to Drs Best Glycinate chelated non buffered and it does not cause D...yes too much of any magnesium will loosen stools but you have to take 800 or more a day to get those results with Glycinate.
Now I use KAL tablets as they are 200 mg per tablet soy free an I only have to take one with each meal if I choose or I apply some mag lotion either lifeflo or Remag brands.
Find the combo that works best for you...
Now I use KAL tablets as they are 200 mg per tablet soy free an I only have to take one with each meal if I choose or I apply some mag lotion either lifeflo or Remag brands.
Find the combo that works best for you...
To Succeed you have to Believe in something with such a passion that it becomes a Reality - Anita Roddick
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
Hi Michele,
Welcome to the forum. I agree with Erica. Magnesium Threonate is claimed to do wonders for people who are having neurological issues, and it does indeed cross the blood/brain barrier. Lets just say that I'm still not convinced that crossing the blood/brain barrier actually provides any tangible benefits for most people when compared with a good brand of magnesium glycinate. The truth is, anxiety is a symptom of a chronic magnesium deficiency (not a magnesium threonate deficiency). I would assume that the magnesium threonate you are taking probably contains 144 mg of elemental magnesium per capsule
A few years ago, when I already had a chronic magnesium deficiency before I took an antibiotic that depleted the rest of my meager magnesium reserves, I suddenly had a major anxiety crisis that neither my doctor nor the ER staff could figure out. Luckily, the ER team checked my serum magnesium level, so I noticed that it was flagged as low the next day when I logged into my records. I was already taking magnesium, so I tripled the dose and I was immediately "magically" cured. The fact that the flagged magnesium test result sailed right past the ER doctors without them even noticing it or considering it to be important tells you how much/little doctors actually know about magnesium.
If you are hesitant to take oral magnesium, topical magnesium oil or lotion or Epsom salt foot soaks or Epsom salt baths work well, also. The worst form of magnesium to take is magnesium oxide because we can only absorb 2–3 % of it. The rest of it stays in our intestines to act as a laxative.
Again, welcome aboard, and please feel free to ask anything.
Tex
Welcome to the forum. I agree with Erica. Magnesium Threonate is claimed to do wonders for people who are having neurological issues, and it does indeed cross the blood/brain barrier. Lets just say that I'm still not convinced that crossing the blood/brain barrier actually provides any tangible benefits for most people when compared with a good brand of magnesium glycinate. The truth is, anxiety is a symptom of a chronic magnesium deficiency (not a magnesium threonate deficiency). I would assume that the magnesium threonate you are taking probably contains 144 mg of elemental magnesium per capsule
A few years ago, when I already had a chronic magnesium deficiency before I took an antibiotic that depleted the rest of my meager magnesium reserves, I suddenly had a major anxiety crisis that neither my doctor nor the ER staff could figure out. Luckily, the ER team checked my serum magnesium level, so I noticed that it was flagged as low the next day when I logged into my records. I was already taking magnesium, so I tripled the dose and I was immediately "magically" cured. The fact that the flagged magnesium test result sailed right past the ER doctors without them even noticing it or considering it to be important tells you how much/little doctors actually know about magnesium.
If you are hesitant to take oral magnesium, topical magnesium oil or lotion or Epsom salt foot soaks or Epsom salt baths work well, also. The worst form of magnesium to take is magnesium oxide because we can only absorb 2–3 % of it. The rest of it stays in our intestines to act as a laxative.
Again, welcome aboard, and please feel free to ask anything.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Magnesium supplementation
Thank you for responding. After looking at my almost full bottle of Magtein I noticed that it contains maltodextrin. So I will not be continuing this kind of magnesium supplement. Do you think it will be alright to finish the bottle before changing to a different supplement or not?
Also, how would I know if daily Epsom salt foot soaks would be giving me enough magnesium? I like the idea of daily foot soaks to help with stress management.
Thanks again.
Michele
Also, how would I know if daily Epsom salt foot soaks would be giving me enough magnesium? I like the idea of daily foot soaks to help with stress management.
Thanks again.
Michele
Hi Michele,
Malltodextrin is an artificial sugar that's usually made from corn these days. But it can be made from wheat, or just about any other starch.
Since it's an artificial sugar, it might cause problems simply because most MC patients cannot tolerate most artificial sugars, but it's not known to be a particular problem, so you would probably be OK with it, but as usual, there are no guarantees.
Almost everyone here who has used it swears by transdermal magnesium The following link to a recently-published medical study doesn't exactly contradict that claim, but it doesn't endorse the practice either. The article discusses many published articles that discuss this topic. You can decide for yourself. after reading them.
Tex
Malltodextrin is an artificial sugar that's usually made from corn these days. But it can be made from wheat, or just about any other starch.
Since it's an artificial sugar, it might cause problems simply because most MC patients cannot tolerate most artificial sugars, but it's not known to be a particular problem, so you would probably be OK with it, but as usual, there are no guarantees.
Almost everyone here who has used it swears by transdermal magnesium The following link to a recently-published medical study doesn't exactly contradict that claim, but it doesn't endorse the practice either. The article discusses many published articles that discuss this topic. You can decide for yourself. after reading them.
Myth or Reality—Transdermal Magnesium?Conclusions
. . . Magnesium might be able to get into the lymphatic system beneath the dermis and enter the circulatory system, bypassing the regulation through the GI tract and hereby increasing serum magnesium [23,24,25]. However, we cannot yet recommend the application of transdermal magnesium.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Gabes,
Have you seen this article? I didn't have the time to read the full article so I don't know if they were actually justified in reaching that conclusion or if they were just promoting an agenda by writing an article based on "smoke and mirrors" rather than actual fact. This may just be another misleading medical article that really means "We can't prove it so it's not true", like the non-celiac gluten sensitivity fiasco that went on for so many years until somebody was able to prove it.
Tex
Have you seen this article? I didn't have the time to read the full article so I don't know if they were actually justified in reaching that conclusion or if they were just promoting an agenda by writing an article based on "smoke and mirrors" rather than actual fact. This may just be another misleading medical article that really means "We can't prove it so it's not true", like the non-celiac gluten sensitivity fiasco that went on for so many years until somebody was able to prove it.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Tex
i had not seen that study. Albeit based on my own experience and the experience of many others (both on this group and the Pyrrole group etc) I am yet to see someone say that transdermal application is not effective.
The likes of Mark Sircus (who have done ALOT of research on magnesium) is a big advocate of transdermal magnesium. I value Dr Sircus opinion far far greater than mainstream medicine practitioners
i had not seen that study. Albeit based on my own experience and the experience of many others (both on this group and the Pyrrole group etc) I am yet to see someone say that transdermal application is not effective.
The likes of Mark Sircus (who have done ALOT of research on magnesium) is a big advocate of transdermal magnesium. I value Dr Sircus opinion far far greater than mainstream medicine practitioners
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
I took the time to read the article this morning and it basically seems to be another case of medical snobs claiming that they there's no proof that the concept is effective, while making no effort to either prove or disprove that their claim is true.
Back in 2000, Dr. Norman Shealy published proof (using the Exa test) but they couldn't find a copy of the original article. I have found a pdf that describes the test, but I haven't found a copy of the original article, either.
Anyway, you might advise the original poster how much you think she can absorb (according to her question).
Tex
Back in 2000, Dr. Norman Shealy published proof (using the Exa test) but they couldn't find a copy of the original article. I have found a pdf that describes the test, but I haven't found a copy of the original article, either.
Anyway, you might advise the original poster how much you think she can absorb (according to her question).
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.