Hi
I have been on my elimination diet for eight weeks and my stomach is feeling so much better. I have been eating protein (chicken, bison, beef and turkey) at my three meals a day. I drink organic carrot juice daily (I juice it myself) since I am not a vegetable person. Plus I can eat lays potato chips (a little junk food) (not flavored ones though) and they don't bother me either. Drinking coconut or almond milk, 64 oz of water. I find I can eat egg yolks but not the whites. GF sweet potato fries and I find I can eat fermented raw sauerkraut and drink apple cider vinegar (I drink this first thing in the morning). I am also taking digestive enzymes before each meal of the day. One thing that has been really hard for me on this elimination diet is that I have a sweet tooth. For my sweet tooth I have been baking muffins with GF & GMO Free Pamela's Vanilla Cake mix and eating one of those a day, which does not give me a flare up. I tried baking GF brownies from one of her mixes and I wondered why my stomach was upset. I checked the ingredients and it had soy lecithin in it, it took about two days for my stomach to feel better. The Vanilla Cake mix did not have soy lecithin in it.
I am no longer constipationed nor depressed due to taking Magnesium Glycinate 200mg twice a day. I have a regular BM twice a day now.
But my question is, I won't be able to have my Entolab test done for another two months. If I am Gluten, diary or soy intolerant will my lab results still show those intolerant results in that time frame?
Thank You
Nancy
Alaska
Elimination diet and then entolab
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Hi Nancy,
When we stop eating a food to which we are sensitive, our antibody levels begin to slowly decline. We continue to produce antibodies, but at a progressively reduced rate. The half-life of gluten antibodies is 120 days. The half-life of most other food antibodies is 5 or 6 days. The EnteroLab tests can reliably detect gluten at least a year or more after we stop eating gluten. But after 2 or 3 months, the other tests begin to lose reliability.
How long you can safely wait depends on your antibody levels when you stopped eating those foods. If it was borderline then, the tests might not detect sensitivities after several months. If your antibody levels were relatively high, sensitivities might be reliably detected 3 or 4 months or more after you stopped eating those foods.
I hope this helps.
Tex
When we stop eating a food to which we are sensitive, our antibody levels begin to slowly decline. We continue to produce antibodies, but at a progressively reduced rate. The half-life of gluten antibodies is 120 days. The half-life of most other food antibodies is 5 or 6 days. The EnteroLab tests can reliably detect gluten at least a year or more after we stop eating gluten. But after 2 or 3 months, the other tests begin to lose reliability.
How long you can safely wait depends on your antibody levels when you stopped eating those foods. If it was borderline then, the tests might not detect sensitivities after several months. If your antibody levels were relatively high, sensitivities might be reliably detected 3 or 4 months or more after you stopped eating those foods.
I hope this helps.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I doubt that it would be possible to significantly raise your antibody levels without triggering a reaction/relapse, but that's just my opinion.
Tex
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
That makes sense,
How long did you wait after you realized you had a food intolerance before you had your testing done? Did your test results show your same food intolerances that you thought you had?
I would have gotten these tests done sooner but I live where we do not have same day UPS service and I won't be in an area where this service will be available to me for two months.
Thank you
Nancy
How long did you wait after you realized you had a food intolerance before you had your testing done? Did your test results show your same food intolerances that you thought you had?
I would have gotten these tests done sooner but I live where we do not have same day UPS service and I won't be in an area where this service will be available to me for two months.
Thank you
Nancy
Wow, Maximus! You've got a GI there who actually cares about his patients. Good for him. 
In this country, for example, almost all of the gastroenterologists will insist that a celiac who is avoiding gluten must do a gluten challenge for a few months before testing for celiac disease so they can get "proof" on paper. They don't realize that reacting to gluten is proof enough. Duh!
Tex
In this country, for example, almost all of the gastroenterologists will insist that a celiac who is avoiding gluten must do a gluten challenge for a few months before testing for celiac disease so they can get "proof" on paper. They don't realize that reacting to gluten is proof enough. Duh!Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Tex
I have not been on this forum for a couple of months because I have been waiting to have my Enterolab done, but I have been reading the forum daily. Well I got my results today. See below:
Quantitative Microscopic Fecal Fat Score Less than 300 Units (Normal Range is less than 300 Units)
Fecal Anti-gliadin IgA 26 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-casein (cow’s milk) IgA 9 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA 7 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-soy IgA 22 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Mean Value # Antigenic Foods 6 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Mean Value 11 Antigenic Foods 6 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
While all of the foods tested can be immune-stimulating, the hierarchy of reactions detected were as follows:
Food to which there was no significant immunological reactivity:
Corn
Rice
Beef
Chicken
Pork
Tuna
Almond
Walnut
Cashew
White potato
Food to which there was some immunological reactivity (1+): Oat
Food to which there was moderate immunological reactivity (2+): None
Food to which there was significant and/or the most immunological reactivity (3+): None
Within each class of foods to which you displayed multiple reactions, the hierarchy of those reactions detected were as follows:
Grains:
Grain toward which you displayed the most immunologic reactivity: Oat
I am pretty sure I have histamine issues though. Some days I have the itches, runny nose ( I have also been taking Allegra when needed) etc. Even though I have not been eating glutien, dary nor soy for several months.
I also had my annual checkup and blood work done. Most of my blood work came back good, except my Vit D, 25 Hydroxy was 108 ng/ml, limit reading is 100, (I was taking 5000 mg of vit D twice a day) I am now taking 2500mg Vit D twice a day. my Creatinine, serum/plasma was 1.02, limit reading is 1.02 for this test (I have a feeling this is because I have been eating meat protien at all three meals). I notice my Fecal Anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) is 7 units, do you think it is safe to eat egg protien now for at least one of my meals? I had my magnesium checked and it's value was 2.2 ng/ml limit reading for this test is 2.4 ng/ml) but it was not the recommended RGB magnesium test I asked my doctor about the RGB test, she was not familar with it. I am taking daily 250 mg magnesium twice daily. I have bowel movement anywhere from once to twice a day, They are usually soft but formed. Also my Absolute Basophils reading was 0.00 limit reading for this test is 0.10 k/ul when I googled Absolute Basophils it has something to do with the histamine issues part of the immune system (mast cell) allergic reaction. Not sure what I am allergic to when my nose is runny or I have the itches though. Not sure what to do about my histamine issues either, will they evenually go away? I have not been able to find hardly any discussions on histamine issues though.
Thank You
Nancy
Alaska
I have not been on this forum for a couple of months because I have been waiting to have my Enterolab done, but I have been reading the forum daily. Well I got my results today. See below:
Quantitative Microscopic Fecal Fat Score Less than 300 Units (Normal Range is less than 300 Units)
Fecal Anti-gliadin IgA 26 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-casein (cow’s milk) IgA 9 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA 7 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-soy IgA 22 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Mean Value # Antigenic Foods 6 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Mean Value 11 Antigenic Foods 6 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
While all of the foods tested can be immune-stimulating, the hierarchy of reactions detected were as follows:
Food to which there was no significant immunological reactivity:
Corn
Rice
Beef
Chicken
Pork
Tuna
Almond
Walnut
Cashew
White potato
Food to which there was some immunological reactivity (1+): Oat
Food to which there was moderate immunological reactivity (2+): None
Food to which there was significant and/or the most immunological reactivity (3+): None
Within each class of foods to which you displayed multiple reactions, the hierarchy of those reactions detected were as follows:
Grains:
Grain toward which you displayed the most immunologic reactivity: Oat
I am pretty sure I have histamine issues though. Some days I have the itches, runny nose ( I have also been taking Allegra when needed) etc. Even though I have not been eating glutien, dary nor soy for several months.
I also had my annual checkup and blood work done. Most of my blood work came back good, except my Vit D, 25 Hydroxy was 108 ng/ml, limit reading is 100, (I was taking 5000 mg of vit D twice a day) I am now taking 2500mg Vit D twice a day. my Creatinine, serum/plasma was 1.02, limit reading is 1.02 for this test (I have a feeling this is because I have been eating meat protien at all three meals). I notice my Fecal Anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) is 7 units, do you think it is safe to eat egg protien now for at least one of my meals? I had my magnesium checked and it's value was 2.2 ng/ml limit reading for this test is 2.4 ng/ml) but it was not the recommended RGB magnesium test I asked my doctor about the RGB test, she was not familar with it. I am taking daily 250 mg magnesium twice daily. I have bowel movement anywhere from once to twice a day, They are usually soft but formed. Also my Absolute Basophils reading was 0.00 limit reading for this test is 0.10 k/ul when I googled Absolute Basophils it has something to do with the histamine issues part of the immune system (mast cell) allergic reaction. Not sure what I am allergic to when my nose is runny or I have the itches though. Not sure what to do about my histamine issues either, will they evenually go away? I have not been able to find hardly any discussions on histamine issues though.
Thank You
Nancy
Alaska
Hi Nancy,
Lucky you — it appears that all you will have to avoid long-term is gluten, soy, and probably oats (I say "probably oats" because your overall test score of 6 indicates a negative result, but virtually all of us are sensitive to oats). Note that you will be lactose intolerant whenever your gut is inflamed (but not casein-sensitive).
You may be right about the creatinine. I can tell you from experience that taking significantly more magnesium supplement than you need can overwork your kidneys to cause elevated creatinine if your kidneys happen to be compromised to begin with. Was your EGFR within the normal range?
The serum magnesium test will virtually always give you a normal result regardless of the actual situation. It's almost worthless. I'll explain in detail why, if you want, but for now I'll skip the explanation. Let me know if you want a detailed explanation.
Regarding the itching, were your liver enzymes OK?
A zero basophil level is probably meaningless because they normally make up such a small percentage of white cells that technicians may get a random sample without any when they are making a count.
Both mast cells and basophils release histamine.
I would try cutting the magnesium down to 250–300 mg per day, especially if you are taking magnesium citrate. Higher doses can become a laxative.
You might have a pollen allergy, but if there is no pollen available in your area, try cutting out high-histamine foods such as chocolate, refrigerated fish and chicken (as opposed to frozen fish and chicken), and completely ripe bananas (barely-ripe bananas are OK).
I hope this helps.
Tex
Lucky you — it appears that all you will have to avoid long-term is gluten, soy, and probably oats (I say "probably oats" because your overall test score of 6 indicates a negative result, but virtually all of us are sensitive to oats). Note that you will be lactose intolerant whenever your gut is inflamed (but not casein-sensitive).
You may be right about the creatinine. I can tell you from experience that taking significantly more magnesium supplement than you need can overwork your kidneys to cause elevated creatinine if your kidneys happen to be compromised to begin with. Was your EGFR within the normal range?
The serum magnesium test will virtually always give you a normal result regardless of the actual situation. It's almost worthless. I'll explain in detail why, if you want, but for now I'll skip the explanation. Let me know if you want a detailed explanation.
Regarding the itching, were your liver enzymes OK?
A zero basophil level is probably meaningless because they normally make up such a small percentage of white cells that technicians may get a random sample without any when they are making a count.
Both mast cells and basophils release histamine.
I would try cutting the magnesium down to 250–300 mg per day, especially if you are taking magnesium citrate. Higher doses can become a laxative.
You might have a pollen allergy, but if there is no pollen available in your area, try cutting out high-histamine foods such as chocolate, refrigerated fish and chicken (as opposed to frozen fish and chicken), and completely ripe bananas (barely-ripe bananas are OK).
I hope this helps.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Tex
Thank you for getting back to me. Sorry, I don't know what EGFR stands for. My liver Albumin results were 4.1 on a scale from 3.5 to 5.0. I have been taking Magnesium Gylcinate. I have not eaten chocolate in well over a month (boy that was hard to do), The banana I eat everyday might be a tad soft. The other thing sweet I have is a coconut flavoring I have in a coffee latte once an awhile. There is no pollen in the area, I still have snow in my yard lol. It could be the meat because I will eat refrigerated pot roast on the second day. Would it be safe to try eating an egg. I eat cashew and almond butter would either of those two give me enough protein for one meal.
Nancy
Thank you for getting back to me. Sorry, I don't know what EGFR stands for. My liver Albumin results were 4.1 on a scale from 3.5 to 5.0. I have been taking Magnesium Gylcinate. I have not eaten chocolate in well over a month (boy that was hard to do), The banana I eat everyday might be a tad soft. The other thing sweet I have is a coconut flavoring I have in a coffee latte once an awhile. There is no pollen in the area, I still have snow in my yard lol. It could be the meat because I will eat refrigerated pot roast on the second day. Would it be safe to try eating an egg. I eat cashew and almond butter would either of those two give me enough protein for one meal.
Nancy
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looking at your results and various comments about eating drinking plan here are my thoughts/questions;
- double check the coconut flavouring you use in the coffee latte - if there are any gums or extra ingredients these may be soy based (you had high soy reading on test results)
- histamine - if you are having enough magnesium ensure you are having P5P (active form of B6) to help moderate histamine levels in the body
- cook fresh meats each day for a while and see if this reduces the histamine issues.
- ensure that there is no soy in make up / moisterisers / bathroom products ie anything with 'Vit E' in ingredients is high risk for soy.
- try egg, but dont boil it, make sure you fry or poach it.
- nut butters are not the same as animal protein for ingredients and gut healing goodness. ok for snacks, not ideal as meal replacement.
- are you sharing kitchen with others - do you have your own cookware, utensils etc? be careful of contamination of soy and gluten etc.
- double check the coconut flavouring you use in the coffee latte - if there are any gums or extra ingredients these may be soy based (you had high soy reading on test results)
- histamine - if you are having enough magnesium ensure you are having P5P (active form of B6) to help moderate histamine levels in the body
- cook fresh meats each day for a while and see if this reduces the histamine issues.
- ensure that there is no soy in make up / moisterisers / bathroom products ie anything with 'Vit E' in ingredients is high risk for soy.
- try egg, but dont boil it, make sure you fry or poach it.
- nut butters are not the same as animal protein for ingredients and gut healing goodness. ok for snacks, not ideal as meal replacement.
- are you sharing kitchen with others - do you have your own cookware, utensils etc? be careful of contamination of soy and gluten etc.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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Hi Gabes or Tex
I checked on the latte coconut flavoring and it has pure cane sugar, water citric acid, fractionated coconut oil, ester gum, sodium benzoate & potassium sorbate (to preserve freshness) in it. I also looked at the hazelnut flavoring I sometimes have and it has citric acid, sodium benzoate & potassium sorbate, xanthan gum, splenda and hazelnut and peanut allergens in it. So is the xanthan gum and ester gum a problem? I also drink the latte with almond milk which should not be a problem. Also some of my shampoo and body wash has soy in it (changing all those to non gluten & soy),
Thank you
Nancy
I checked on the latte coconut flavoring and it has pure cane sugar, water citric acid, fractionated coconut oil, ester gum, sodium benzoate & potassium sorbate (to preserve freshness) in it. I also looked at the hazelnut flavoring I sometimes have and it has citric acid, sodium benzoate & potassium sorbate, xanthan gum, splenda and hazelnut and peanut allergens in it. So is the xanthan gum and ester gum a problem? I also drink the latte with almond milk which should not be a problem. Also some of my shampoo and body wash has soy in it (changing all those to non gluten & soy),
Thank you
Nancy