Good morning and Happy Mothers Day,
I am a newby to this site, but I have been reading it for months, and it has been very helpful for me. I am reading Tex's book now and i did the Enterolab testing.
I just received my Enterolab results and I am feeling very defeated. First some back ground info. I was diagnosed almost 3 years ago with Celiacs and MC. I gave up gluten that day and felt great for about three months, then the constant trips to the bathroom returned. I eat mostly at home and am very careful to avoid gluten. I did not replace all my pots and pans, however. My result are listed below. My anti-gliadin is still 354, does that mean I am getting some gluten in my diet? I am really not sure what to eat, after looking over my results. Any input will be appreciated. I am an otherwise very healthy 54 year old women, that plans my entire life around a bathroom. I was going to do a paleo type diet, removing the foods I reacted too, but now that there are no foods I don't react too at all, I don't know where to start. Sorry to ramble, here are my result. (okay to post).
Thanks for your help!
Ann
Comprehensive Gluten/Antigenic Food Sensitivity Stool Panel
Quantitative Microscopic Fecal Fat Score 400 Units (Normal Range is less than 300 Units)
Fecal Anti-gliadin IgA 354 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-casein (cow’s milk) IgA 37 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-ovalbumin (chicken egg) IgA 57 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Fecal Anti-soy IgA 37 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Mean Value 11 Antigenic Foods 23 Units (Normal Range is less than 10 Units)
Food with no reactivity:
None
+1 reactivity:
Rice
Corn
Chicken
Tuna
Beef
Pork
Almond
White potato
+2 reactivity:
Oat
Walnut
Cashew
3+ reactivity:
None
Within each class of foods to which you displayed multiple reactions, the hierarchy of those reactions detected were as follows:
Grains:
Grain toward which you displayed the most immunologic reactivity: Oat
Grain toward which you displayed intermediate immunologic reactivity: Rice
Grain toward which you displayed the least immunologic reactivity: Corn
Meats:
Meat toward which you displayed the most immunologic reactivity: Chicken
Meat toward which you were next most immunologically reactive: Tuna
Meat toward which you displayed intermediate immunologic reactivity: Beef
Meat toward which you displayed the least immunologic reactivity: Pork
Nuts:
Nut toward which you displayed the most immunologic reactivity: Walnut
Nut toward which you displayed intermediate immunologic reactivity: Cashew
Nut toward which you displayed the least immunologic reactivity: Almond
Need help with test results.
Moderators: Rosie, JFR, Gabes-Apg, grannyh, Gloria, Mars, starfire, Polly, Joefnh
Hi Ann,
Welcome to the group. Cheer up. Believe it or not, your results look better than many or ours. You can do it.
The main four foods (main test) are clearly off limits, so let's look at the results for the 11 other antigenic foods.
A score of 23 indicates some sensitivity, but for this particular test (not the main test) that's only a moderate score. That implies that the foods in this test "may" be a problem, but not necessarily a severe problem.
Fortunately, you had no foods in the 3+ category.
For foods in the 2+ category, you should probably avoid them. But that's not such a big deal because you can do without those easily, and virtually all of us are sensitive to oats, anyway. You may be able to tolerate almond milk. I can't do almonds either, but almond milk works just fine for me.
For foods in the 1+ category, you will probably heal much faster if you avoid them (just to eliminate the risk), but there is no guarantee that you will react to all of them. For example, you may be able to eat some of them if you use a rotation scheme so that that you only eat the same food once every 3 or 4 days (IOW, not two days in a row). Or, if you want to play it safe, you can just replace them with alternative foods (at least during your recovery period). Virtually no one reacts to turkey, lamb, venison, and other wild-type foods, for example. Avoid bison if you want to avoid beef because these days almost all of them contain domestic cattle DNA. You might (or might not) be able to tolerate sweet potatoes in place of white potatoes. Cauliflower makes a decent substitute for white potatoes, also.
Anyway, this gives you some starting guidelines, so I hope this helps. Again, welcome aboard, and please feel free to ask anything.
Thanks, I will add your results to the list.
Tex
Welcome to the group. Cheer up. Believe it or not, your results look better than many or ours. You can do it.
This quirk of the immune system is explained in the book, so you will see why you relapsed. It happens to many of us. Your anti-gliadin result of 354 may be because it was really high (since you are a celiac) before you started the diet. It tends to decline slowly, but it may take several years before your level gets back down to normal. If it doesn't continue to decline, your diet is probably being cross-contaminated in some way.Ann wrote:I gave up gluten that day and felt great for about three months, then the constant trips to the bathroom returned. I eat mostly at home and am very careful to avoid gluten. I did not replace all my pots and pans, however. My result are listed below. My anti-gliadin is still 354, does that mean I am getting some gluten in my diet?
The main four foods (main test) are clearly off limits, so let's look at the results for the 11 other antigenic foods.
A score of 23 indicates some sensitivity, but for this particular test (not the main test) that's only a moderate score. That implies that the foods in this test "may" be a problem, but not necessarily a severe problem.
Fortunately, you had no foods in the 3+ category.
For foods in the 2+ category, you should probably avoid them. But that's not such a big deal because you can do without those easily, and virtually all of us are sensitive to oats, anyway. You may be able to tolerate almond milk. I can't do almonds either, but almond milk works just fine for me.
For foods in the 1+ category, you will probably heal much faster if you avoid them (just to eliminate the risk), but there is no guarantee that you will react to all of them. For example, you may be able to eat some of them if you use a rotation scheme so that that you only eat the same food once every 3 or 4 days (IOW, not two days in a row). Or, if you want to play it safe, you can just replace them with alternative foods (at least during your recovery period). Virtually no one reacts to turkey, lamb, venison, and other wild-type foods, for example. Avoid bison if you want to avoid beef because these days almost all of them contain domestic cattle DNA. You might (or might not) be able to tolerate sweet potatoes in place of white potatoes. Cauliflower makes a decent substitute for white potatoes, also.
Anyway, this gives you some starting guidelines, so I hope this helps. Again, welcome aboard, and please feel free to ask anything.
Thanks, I will add your results to the list.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Tex,
Thank you so much for your speedy reply, after reading it I felt much better. I have decided to embrace this lifestyle change and work for health. Thankfully I was able to do this in stages, it would be much more difficult to give up gluten at the same time. Thank you for your advice, now I have a starting plan to work with, and I do not feel as overwhelmed.
Have a great day!
Thank you so much for your speedy reply, after reading it I felt much better. I have decided to embrace this lifestyle change and work for health. Thankfully I was able to do this in stages, it would be much more difficult to give up gluten at the same time. Thank you for your advice, now I have a starting plan to work with, and I do not feel as overwhelmed.
Have a great day!
Ann,
You're very welcome. Good for you — once we have a plan, results will surely follow. Formulating a good plan that we can stick with is usually the most crucial part of our recovery.
Thanks, and I hope you have a great day, also.
Tex
You're very welcome. Good for you — once we have a plan, results will surely follow. Formulating a good plan that we can stick with is usually the most crucial part of our recovery.
Thanks, and I hope you have a great day, also.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Knowledge is power....
knowing that you have these triggers gives you the information you need to set up your safe eating plan, make adjustments with lifestyle things that will allow your body to heal, and to be well!!
the high gluten and soy score does possibly indicate that you are getting contamination / exposure.
a good starting point is to avoid process foods, meals, baked goods etc.
having your eating plan on whole foods, meat and safe vegetables, prepared and cooked at home will ensure no risk of gluten/soy
sauces, spices etc can have gluten/soy in them (soy via vegetable gum etc) so doing bland cooking with pure salt, pure pepper etc is recommended.
if sharing a kitchen with others then it is worth getting new cookware, utensils, preparation equipment like chopping boards that are only used for your safe ingredients - store food in the fridge/freezer in glass containers (not plastic)
the other area to revise is the bathroom - with the gluten and reaction to oat along with reaction to soy, double check shampoos, conditioners, soaps, body products, moisterisers, make up for gluten oat and soy.
alot of natural products have oatmeal etc
any moisteriser product that has 'Vit E' will have soy based Vit E in it.
some lipsticks can have gluten (and many have soy)
some resources to help you with the 'clean up' and transition to safer products
at the top of this part of the forum are the lists of ingredients that basically mean there is gluten or soy etc
https://perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=52
discussions about make up / moisterisers etc
https://perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=69
hope this helps
knowing that you have these triggers gives you the information you need to set up your safe eating plan, make adjustments with lifestyle things that will allow your body to heal, and to be well!!
the high gluten and soy score does possibly indicate that you are getting contamination / exposure.
a good starting point is to avoid process foods, meals, baked goods etc.
having your eating plan on whole foods, meat and safe vegetables, prepared and cooked at home will ensure no risk of gluten/soy
sauces, spices etc can have gluten/soy in them (soy via vegetable gum etc) so doing bland cooking with pure salt, pure pepper etc is recommended.
if sharing a kitchen with others then it is worth getting new cookware, utensils, preparation equipment like chopping boards that are only used for your safe ingredients - store food in the fridge/freezer in glass containers (not plastic)
the other area to revise is the bathroom - with the gluten and reaction to oat along with reaction to soy, double check shampoos, conditioners, soaps, body products, moisterisers, make up for gluten oat and soy.
alot of natural products have oatmeal etc
any moisteriser product that has 'Vit E' will have soy based Vit E in it.
some lipsticks can have gluten (and many have soy)
some resources to help you with the 'clean up' and transition to safer products
at the top of this part of the forum are the lists of ingredients that basically mean there is gluten or soy etc
https://perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=52
discussions about make up / moisterisers etc
https://perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=69
hope this helps
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama