Does anyone have the positive kamer test?

DonPapotti · Post by **DonPapotti** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:59 am

Hello, good day! Well, that is the question, if yes, what illness do they have? Because my doctor has told me that if he has a fat absorption problem, it could be because of parasites ... which, in theory, I do not have, problem of pancres in theory I do not have ... or celiac disease, which I think I have that problem. Thanks in advance

Post by **tex** » Tue May 22, 2018 5:50 pm

Virtually everyone who has either celiac disease or MC has some degree of fat malabsorption until they get the disease into remission.

Tex

DonPapotti · Post by **DonPapotti** » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:36 am

According to this page https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320819.php
colitis does not generate fat in the stool, so it would make me think that it is CD rather than colitis.
What do you think?

Post by **tex** » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:02 pm

I think that's a very basic article that appears to be written for someone who knows absolutely nothing about the disease. Maybe I missed it, but I don't see where the article even mentions fat malabsorption, let alone claims that it is not associated with microscopic colitis.

Tex

DonPapotti · Post by **DonPapotti** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:37 am

Just does not mention that fat malabsorption is related to colitis, so, I think that my malabsorption of fat is due to celiac disease that does not completely remit, that some kind of colits.
In my humble opinion.

Post by **tex** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:04 am

The article doesn't mention other symptoms associated with microscopic colitis that many of us have found to be true, but that doesn't mean that it's not associated with MC. It just means that no medical research has been published about it. Doctors will not accept a symptom as fact unless research showing that it exists is published first. If 10,000 MC patients complain of fat malabsorption to their doctors, it won't matter. It will only matter after the doctors have seen published proof.

That said, we all are sensitive to gluten. A few of us have celiac disease in addition to MC so yes, you might be a celiac, but most of us have non-celiac gluten sensitivity. In other words, our malabsorption is caused by gluten sensitivity, but we test negative to celiac disease.

I hope this helps.

Tex

DonPapotti · Post by **DonPapotti** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:56 am

Yes, unfortunately it is like this ..
I just wanted to know what my affected bowel area is, because depending on that, it's the parasite that I should choose.
According to doctors if I have fat absorption problem, my problem is in the small intestine.
But colitis is normally located in the colon ... although it seems that it can be located in both intestines!

Post by **tex** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:34 pm

Yes, MC is very commonly found in the small intestine. Check out this reference:

http://herkules.oulu.fi/isbn97895142941 ... 294150.pdf

In section 2.1.6 (on Pages 22 and 23) it says:

Inflammatory changes may not be restricted to the colon mucosa in MC
although no systematic information of extracolonic abnormalities in MC has been
published. Ileal histologic changes such as villous atrophy, intraepithelial
lymphocytosis and abnormal SCL have been reported in MC (Marteau et al. 1997,
Sapp et al. 2002).

There are mainly case reports of gastric and duodenal changes in MC patients.
In addition, in gastric and duodenal mucosa, an increased number of IEL may
occur. (Marteau et al. 1997, Fine et al. 2000a.) In the duodenum elevated numbers
of IEL are often accompanied by villous atrophy and cryptal changes indicative of
concomitant CD. Lymphocytic gastritis (LG) and enteritis in association with LC
and collagenous gastritis, gastrobulbitis and enterocolitis in association with CC
and LC will be discussed in the section 2.2.4 (Wu & Hamilton 1999, Leung et al.
2009).

It also has a table that lists the diseases associated with MC.

I hope this is helpful.

Tex

DonPapotti · Post by **DonPapotti** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:12 am

wow pretty cool !!! Thank you very much!
I believe that there are many meters of intestines that can not be analyzed, since it is very long, and that with lucky can only be seen macroscopically, but not microscopically.
According to my doctors, it would have been better for the colon to affect the small intestine, since a person without a colon can live, and without a small intestine, no.

Post by **tex** » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:48 am

DonPapotti wrote:According to my doctors, it would have been better for the colon to affect the small intestine, since a person without a colon can live . . .

Yes, I am one of those people — my colon was surgically removed 8 years ago.

Tex

Lilja · Post by **Lilja** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:37 am

tex wrote:Yes, MC is very commonly found in the small intestine. Check out this reference:

http://herkules.oulu.fi/isbn97895142941 ... 294150.pdf

It also has a table that lists the diseases associated with MC.

I hope this is helpful.

Tex

Tex,

Thank you for the study you have enclosed to your answer.

I have recently been diagnosed with bronchial asthma, and I was surprised to see in your link that this is a disease associated with MC. My GP is absolutely ignorant about what microscopic colitis is, and when I told him that I had been coughing since March 2017, (this was before I saw your link from the study in Oulo, Finland) he said it could not be a bacterial pneumonia that had lasted for one year, "unless you have an autoimmune disease"... Well, I asked him to check my medical history, and he was a bit embarrased.

Diseases associated with MC are listed on page 23 of the study for those who are interested. The whole study is really great, but I only read the first 30 pages, but I will continue to read the whole study.

Thank you, Tex!

Lilja

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:20 am

Lilja
my lifelong asthma issues have disappeared since I have fixed nutritional imbalances, follow low inflammation low toxin eating plan and lifestyle etc.

Things that would have been chronic triggers previously are no longer issues for me.

DonPapotti · Post by **DonPapotti** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:05 am

Hi, the doctors also told me that it could be lymphangiectasia or problems to metabolize long chain acids. Although they claim that coeliac is rarer than that disease ... in theory

Post by **tex** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:28 am

Most doctors (including gastroenterologists) are confused by microscopic colitis and they simply don't understand it. It's common for them to suggest all sorts of weird diagnoses because of that confusion. Many of us have had that experience with our doctors. They may feel that by suggesting all sorts of alternative diseases they will confuse their MC patients into mistakenly believing that they (the doctors) actually know what they are doing. But the symptoms are virtually always due to MC — the doctors just do not, or are not willing, to recognize that fact.

Of course you can't metabolize long chain acids — you have a digestive system disease that compromises digestion, namely MC.

Tex

Lilja · Post by **Lilja** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:12 am

tex wrote:Yes, MC is very commonly found in the small intestine. Check out this reference:

http://herkules.oulu.fi/isbn97895142941 ... 294150.pdf

In section 2.1.6 (on Pages 22 and 23) it says:

Inflammatory changes may not be restricted to the colon mucosa in MC
although no systematic information of extracolonic abnormalities in MC has been
published. Ileal histologic changes such as villous atrophy, intraepithelial
lymphocytosis and abnormal SCL have been reported in MC (Marteau et al. 1997,
Sapp et al. 2002).

There are mainly case reports of gastric and duodenal changes in MC patients.
In addition, in gastric and duodenal mucosa, an increased number of IEL may
occur. (Marteau et al. 1997, Fine et al. 2000a.) In the duodenum elevated numbers
of IEL are often accompanied by villous atrophy and cryptal changes indicative of
concomitant CD. Lymphocytic gastritis (LG) and enteritis in association with LC
and collagenous gastritis, gastrobulbitis and enterocolitis in association with CC
and LC will be discussed in the section 2.2.4 (Wu & Hamilton 1999, Leung et al.
2009).
It also has a table that lists the diseases associated with MC.

I hope this is helpful.

Tex