I have been reading and researching for weeks on this wonderful group, now I have my results from enterolab and would love some feedback:
Fecal fat score. 1294
Glaidin IgA. 12
Casein IdA. 254
Chicken egg. IgA 83
Soy IgA. 90
Mean value 11 anti genetic foods. 52
Hierarchy of reactions:
2+. Rice, oats, beef, tuna, pork, cashew, walnuts,
3+. Corn, chicken, almond, white potatoes
Grains. Most immo react. Corn
Inter “. “. Rice
Least. Oat
Meats. Most. Chicken and beef
Inter. Tuna
Least. Pork
Nuts. Most. Almonds
Inter. Cashews
Least. Walnuts
Nightshades. White potatoes
I am a bit confused because I went on a very strict diet of. Chicken bone broth, rice, chicken, white potatoes, bananas, yellow squash and zucchini (well cooked) and within 5 days my D was totally gone without any meds.
I guess I should give you the back ground that I was diagnosed with lymphocytic colitis more than a year ago with D for 6 months before that and I did take uceris for a while which help but I couldn’t afford to continue it after my samples from the Dr ran out.
Can anyone give me some insight to the results of this test and is it ok to use my supply of chicken bone broth I have been using?
I am on vit D3 and mag as suggested on here
Newbie with enterolab results
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Hi Robby,
Welcome to the group. Based on your history and your test results, It appears that your main problem may be dairy products, but this may depend on your diet history from a few weeks before you collected the EnteroLab test sample. Your fecal fat score suggests that either you have been reacting to gluten (and dairy) for a long time, or you are a celiac (IOW you have either an HLA- DQ2 or HLA-DQ8 gene)
Regarding your confusion, it's common for the exclusion of gluten from the diet to result in remission within a few weeks. This is because gluten tends to dominate immune system reactions. However, after the immune system "realizes" that gluten is no longer a threat, it begins to look for other problems and it "discovers" additional reactive foods (such as the chicken), so it begins to react again.
Because chicken rates as a 3+ sensitivity (with an overall score of 52), chicken should be considered off-limits and it's probably not a good idea to make bone broth from chicken bones or any other parts. Turkey, duck, goose, pheasant, emu, quail, etc. are all safe for everyone.
Pork "might" be safe, if you don't eat it every day, but the only really safe meats for you are probably lamb and wild-type meats such as venison, rabbit, antelope, etc. (not bison, because these days virtually all bison contain domestic cattle DNA). Shellfish such as shrimp, prawns, clams, mussels, oysters, etc. are usually safe for everyone (unless you had a previous allergy to them).
I would avoid the potatoes and try sweet potatoes or yams. The squash, zucchini, and veges such as carrots and green beans should be OK. Asparagus might be OK, but it may cause gas problems. If you eat any rice, don't eat it every day. Avoid oats, because virtually all of us react to oats, even when it's certified pure.
I hope this helps.
Again, welcome aboard, and please feel free to ask anything.
Tex
Welcome to the group. Based on your history and your test results, It appears that your main problem may be dairy products, but this may depend on your diet history from a few weeks before you collected the EnteroLab test sample. Your fecal fat score suggests that either you have been reacting to gluten (and dairy) for a long time, or you are a celiac (IOW you have either an HLA- DQ2 or HLA-DQ8 gene)
Regarding your confusion, it's common for the exclusion of gluten from the diet to result in remission within a few weeks. This is because gluten tends to dominate immune system reactions. However, after the immune system "realizes" that gluten is no longer a threat, it begins to look for other problems and it "discovers" additional reactive foods (such as the chicken), so it begins to react again.
Because chicken rates as a 3+ sensitivity (with an overall score of 52), chicken should be considered off-limits and it's probably not a good idea to make bone broth from chicken bones or any other parts. Turkey, duck, goose, pheasant, emu, quail, etc. are all safe for everyone.
Pork "might" be safe, if you don't eat it every day, but the only really safe meats for you are probably lamb and wild-type meats such as venison, rabbit, antelope, etc. (not bison, because these days virtually all bison contain domestic cattle DNA). Shellfish such as shrimp, prawns, clams, mussels, oysters, etc. are usually safe for everyone (unless you had a previous allergy to them).
I would avoid the potatoes and try sweet potatoes or yams. The squash, zucchini, and veges such as carrots and green beans should be OK. Asparagus might be OK, but it may cause gas problems. If you eat any rice, don't eat it every day. Avoid oats, because virtually all of us react to oats, even when it's certified pure.
I hope this helps.
Again, welcome aboard, and please feel free to ask anything.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Gabes-Apg
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hi there Robby
reviewing your results agree with Tex's reply above
Further to the Dairy result is the Soy result.
these are causing inflammation
even though you are avoiding soy food wise, you will need to go next level and avoid it in bathroom products if you are female, check make up, lip balms, etc any moisteriser with 'Vit E' is very high risk for soy and should be avoided
based on the results, avoid all gluten free baked products as these are high risk for your reactors, such as corn, soy, rice etc
for optimum healing - i would definately forgo the chicken broth.
with the high results and inflammation level indicators, I would also strongly encourage you to purchase new kitchen wear, cooking pans, utensils, chopping boards, etc etc so remove any prior contamination of these items.
hope this helps
reviewing your results agree with Tex's reply above
Further to the Dairy result is the Soy result.
these are causing inflammation
even though you are avoiding soy food wise, you will need to go next level and avoid it in bathroom products if you are female, check make up, lip balms, etc any moisteriser with 'Vit E' is very high risk for soy and should be avoided
based on the results, avoid all gluten free baked products as these are high risk for your reactors, such as corn, soy, rice etc
for optimum healing - i would definately forgo the chicken broth.
with the high results and inflammation level indicators, I would also strongly encourage you to purchase new kitchen wear, cooking pans, utensils, chopping boards, etc etc so remove any prior contamination of these items.
hope this helps
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Thank you for your response, Gabes! I have been using only natural products in my personal products and household cleaners for almost a year now since I have also had severe problems with chemicals, mold, etc. I wasn’t aware that vitamin E has soy in it though(if that was your teference). I will have to check into that. I use pure essential oils for many health reasons. I am comfortable with the company I buy them from. But I will check all of these out as well. Please let me know if you are aware of problems with these. I am really in this for the long haul. Thank you soooooo much for all you do for everyone on here.
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Gabes-Apg
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Soy has become the main source for food and make up production as it is a 'cheap and plentiful' crop
the soy that is used in foods and make up is filler - nutritionally it has next to no benefit as it is like a waste product of soy.
in this section of the forum you will see listings of soy ingredients, corn ingredients etc
https://perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=52
(you will see that soy has 30+ names that it goes by.)
be cautious of 'natural' products as they can still contain MC triggers wheatgerm is a common one in moisterisers, shampoos etc
this part of the forum has lots of good info on MC safe bathroom, make up products etc
https://perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=69
so long as the essential oils do not contain any fillers that you react to (such as soy oil, or almond oil etc) then i dont forsee an issue.
the soy that is used in foods and make up is filler - nutritionally it has next to no benefit as it is like a waste product of soy.
in this section of the forum you will see listings of soy ingredients, corn ingredients etc
https://perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=52
(you will see that soy has 30+ names that it goes by.)
be cautious of 'natural' products as they can still contain MC triggers wheatgerm is a common one in moisterisers, shampoos etc
this part of the forum has lots of good info on MC safe bathroom, make up products etc
https://perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=69
so long as the essential oils do not contain any fillers that you react to (such as soy oil, or almond oil etc) then i dont forsee an issue.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Robby,
In that case, there's a good chance that you have small intestinal damage caused by celiac disease. This is what caused the high fecal fat score. My doctors never even tested me for celiac disease, but I took the EnteroLab fecal fat test 3 years after I was in remission and I still scored right around the 300 limit. Dr. Fine commented that there was still some damage (but I assume it wasn't near as bad at that point). That gives you an idea of how long it may take you to heal the gluten damage to your small intestine. Kids heal in less than a year, but it takes adults 3 to 5 years, according to published research. But you will reach remission long before the healing is completed.
Tex
In that case, there's a good chance that you have small intestinal damage caused by celiac disease. This is what caused the high fecal fat score. My doctors never even tested me for celiac disease, but I took the EnteroLab fecal fat test 3 years after I was in remission and I still scored right around the 300 limit. Dr. Fine commented that there was still some damage (but I assume it wasn't near as bad at that point). That gives you an idea of how long it may take you to heal the gluten damage to your small intestine. Kids heal in less than a year, but it takes adults 3 to 5 years, according to published research. But you will reach remission long before the healing is completed.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Again, thank you. I was given the blood test for gluten which came out negative, last year. It was only when I insisted that my Dr. Do a colonoscopy a year early because of all my intestinal problems that he found the lymphocitic Colitis. He did biopsies in each section of the colon and it showed up on each biopsy. Well there was the answer, take Uceris for a few months and maybe you will get lucky but it is usually for life. That was my Drs response. You really have to research and be your own advocate.
Unfortunately, many, many doctors have mistakenly informed many, many MC patients that they are not sensitive to gluten based on a negative celiac test result. The claim that a negative celiac test result means that a patient cannot be sensitive to gluten simply is not true, because the test has such poor sensitivity, and doctors don't even have a way to officially diagnose non-celiac gluten sensitivity.
The celiac screening tests are so insensitive that they will only detect fully-developed cases. In one study, only 77 % of those who had total villus atrophy showed a positive serum anti-endomysial antibody test result (see reference below). The researchers concluded, " Serologic tests, in clinical practice, lack the sensitivity reported in the literature." Suffice to say that the celiac tests fail to detect too many cases to be very useful. A positive celiac test result can confirm gluten sensitivity, but a negative celiac test result cannot rule out gluten sensitivity. Many doctors mistakenly believe that a negative celiac blood test result rules out gluten sensitivity, but there is no medical justification for making that assumption, it's simply incorrect.
Reference. Abrams, J. A., Diamond, B., Rotterdam, H., & Green, P. H. (2004). Seronegative celiac disease: increased prevalence with lesser degrees of villous atrophy. Digestive Diseases and Sciences, 49(4):546–550. Retrieved from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15185855
Tex
The celiac screening tests are so insensitive that they will only detect fully-developed cases. In one study, only 77 % of those who had total villus atrophy showed a positive serum anti-endomysial antibody test result (see reference below). The researchers concluded, " Serologic tests, in clinical practice, lack the sensitivity reported in the literature." Suffice to say that the celiac tests fail to detect too many cases to be very useful. A positive celiac test result can confirm gluten sensitivity, but a negative celiac test result cannot rule out gluten sensitivity. Many doctors mistakenly believe that a negative celiac blood test result rules out gluten sensitivity, but there is no medical justification for making that assumption, it's simply incorrect.
Reference. Abrams, J. A., Diamond, B., Rotterdam, H., & Green, P. H. (2004). Seronegative celiac disease: increased prevalence with lesser degrees of villous atrophy. Digestive Diseases and Sciences, 49(4):546–550. Retrieved from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15185855
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.