Histamine, Vitamin C, Zinc, and Copper — Gabes is Right On

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Histamine, Vitamin C, Zinc, and Copper — Gabes is Right On

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My histamine issues have been slowly getting worse over recent months/years so I've been getting stricter with avoiding foods that might be high in histamine and foods that might cause my body to release histamine. Eventually even that has stopped working and I've been having histamine reactions despite all the restrictions. I was beginning to worry that I might have mastocytosis.

Then a post by Gabes in response to someone else's question mentioned supplementing with vitamin C, zinc, and copper (in addition to B-6, magnesium, vitamin D, etc.) in order to reduce histamine problems. I was already taking Methyl-Guard Plus, 300 mg magnesium, and 3,000 IU vitamin D daily, which should be plenty of those for someone at my stage (MC remission for 14 years). But I was only taking a vitamin C capsule and a zinc/copper capsule once a week. So I started taking 500 mg of vitamin C and a 50 mg/2 mg zinc/copper capsule daily.

By the second day I could see significant improvement, and four days into the treatment my histamine issues appear to be resolved. I'm still limiting high-histamine foods of course, but I'm now able to at least eat small to moderate amounts of high-histamine foods. So I'll have to give this advice a :thumbsup:. Sometimes we just need a reminder.

Thanks, Gabes.

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Hi, Tex. Glad you were able to figure it out. What brand of vitamin C do you take? Merry Christmas!
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Hi Marcia,

I've been using an old (expired in 2016) Vitacost allergen-free 500 mg capsule, but when I run out (there aren't many left), I thought I'd switch to this:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001VV6F6

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A good balance of zinc and copper is via Avocado's.

( I am a bit puzzled that those with histamine issues avoid them, if anything they have more benefit than disbenefit. )

This product is very good combo - antioxidant with Vit C never gives me any D issues
https://au.iherb.com/pr/Life-Extension- ... lsrc=aw.ds
Glutathione is one of the body’s most important and potent antioxidants. Antioxidants are substances that reduce oxidative stress by combating free radicals in the body.

While most antioxidants are found in the foods you eat, glutathione is produced by your body. It is primarily made up of three amino acids: glutamine, glycine and cysteine (1).
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Merry Christmas, thanks for the gift of that information. I have been more reactive lately,also. Animal protein especially. Will check those vits. esp C, Zinc and b6.
Has anyone tried glutathione IVs??
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Thanks Tex and Gabes,
I routinely take 1000 mg vitamin C daily. I have purchased zinc but hadn’t started it yet. I’ll have to give this some thought.
I appreciate you sharing your positive experiences.

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That is really interesting. The Thorne Research Thyrocsin has all those things. I take one every day. It is supposed to be for thyroid co factors. My hair stopped falling out!
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Firstly

Happy New Year Everyone!

I am doing better sticking to my 500mg VitC daily instead of every other day and I'm trying to do that with zinc daily now too....along with my B6, mag and VitD etc....I feel I am doing fine with copper.

I'm only just about to begin my 4th year of healing so all the incite into the MC living will surely help later on :-)

Thanks again Gabes for doing the ground work on this ;-) I hope you continue to keep feeling better Tex!
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Am I the only one who has trouble with 500 mg of Vitamin C a day? That puts me in the bathroom several times (not quite "D", but not pleasant).
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I would say that's common problem. I had to avoid vitamin C (all sources of ascorbic acid) while I was recovering, but I seem to be able to tolerate it OK now.

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Yes, I cannot take oral vitamin C. I figure I get my vitamin C in veggies and fruits.
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I am struggling with histamines right now and its winter. I am sure that I need vitamin C. I have trouble taking it or anything really due to my interstitial cystitis. What type of zinc/copper do you take? Will try avocados, I always stayed away too.
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I have to watch my p's and q's to keep from getting a rash. I can't help but wonder what will happen when summer gets here. I take a Soloray product with 2 mg copper and 50 mg zinc. It also contains some iodine, but that's not why I take it, so I don't even know how much it contains.

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Hi Tex (and all). I recently had my lab work updated and my functional med doc would like me to take 25mg of zinc to get a better zinc/copper balance. My question is: which type of zinc is most readily absorbed? He didn’t specify (the nurse called me to relay the message) and when I started shopping I see there are like 6 different types of zinc.
I don’t want waste my time taking a kind that doesn’t absorb as well. Any suggestions are appreciated.

EDITED: I did find this study which suggests zinc picolinate is more readily absorbed than the other forms. I will start there unless I find more convincing information elsewhere.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3630857/

Thanks, Carol

PS- the methylation efforts are paying off. My homocysteine level was an 18 when I started which was higher than the high range. This time it was 8.8 and well inside the average range. :weirdnana: Everything else that needed to drop was trending downward, like my CRP Cardiac score. More work to be done but some decent movement. The pancreatic enzymes have been helpful too.
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Hi Carol,

To be honest, I didn't even realize that some forms of zinc might pose an absorption problem. I usually just take a balanced-dose zinc/copper capsule such as this, or a similar product:

https://www.amazon.com/Solaray-Zinc-Cop ... B000I4AMH4

Kudos on the homocysteine and CRP levels.

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