Histamine, Vitamin C, Zinc, and Copper — Gabes is Right On
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Histamine, Vitamin C, Zinc, and Copper — Gabes is Right On
My histamine issues have been slowly getting worse over recent months/years so I've been getting stricter with avoiding foods that might be high in histamine and foods that might cause my body to release histamine. Eventually even that has stopped working and I've been having histamine reactions despite all the restrictions. I was beginning to worry that I might have mastocytosis.
Then a post by Gabes in response to someone else's question mentioned supplementing with vitamin C, zinc, and copper (in addition to B-6, magnesium, vitamin D, etc.) in order to reduce histamine problems. I was already taking Methyl-Guard Plus, 300 mg magnesium, and 3,000 IU vitamin D daily, which should be plenty of those for someone at my stage (MC remission for 14 years). But I was only taking a vitamin C capsule and a zinc/copper capsule once a week. So I started taking 500 mg of vitamin C and a 50 mg/2 mg zinc/copper capsule daily.
By the second day I could see significant improvement, and four days into the treatment my histamine issues appear to be resolved. I'm still limiting high-histamine foods of course, but I'm now able to at least eat small to moderate amounts of high-histamine foods. So I'll have to give this advice a . Sometimes we just need a reminder.
Thanks, Gabes.
Tex
Then a post by Gabes in response to someone else's question mentioned supplementing with vitamin C, zinc, and copper (in addition to B-6, magnesium, vitamin D, etc.) in order to reduce histamine problems. I was already taking Methyl-Guard Plus, 300 mg magnesium, and 3,000 IU vitamin D daily, which should be plenty of those for someone at my stage (MC remission for 14 years). But I was only taking a vitamin C capsule and a zinc/copper capsule once a week. So I started taking 500 mg of vitamin C and a 50 mg/2 mg zinc/copper capsule daily.
By the second day I could see significant improvement, and four days into the treatment my histamine issues appear to be resolved. I'm still limiting high-histamine foods of course, but I'm now able to at least eat small to moderate amounts of high-histamine foods. So I'll have to give this advice a . Sometimes we just need a reminder.
Thanks, Gabes.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Marcia,
I've been using an old (expired in 2016) Vitacost allergen-free 500 mg capsule, but when I run out (there aren't many left), I thought I'd switch to this:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001VV6F6
Thanks — Merry Christmas to you I hope your Holidays are filled with Joy and Love.
Tex
I've been using an old (expired in 2016) Vitacost allergen-free 500 mg capsule, but when I run out (there aren't many left), I thought I'd switch to this:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001VV6F6
Thanks — Merry Christmas to you I hope your Holidays are filled with Joy and Love.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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A good balance of zinc and copper is via Avocado's.
( I am a bit puzzled that those with histamine issues avoid them, if anything they have more benefit than disbenefit. )
This product is very good combo - antioxidant with Vit C never gives me any D issues
https://au.iherb.com/pr/Life-Extension- ... lsrc=aw.ds
( I am a bit puzzled that those with histamine issues avoid them, if anything they have more benefit than disbenefit. )
This product is very good combo - antioxidant with Vit C never gives me any D issues
https://au.iherb.com/pr/Life-Extension- ... lsrc=aw.ds
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Thanks Tex and Gabes,
I routinely take 1000 mg vitamin C daily. I have purchased zinc but hadn’t started it yet. I’ll have to give this some thought.
I appreciate you sharing your positive experiences.
Merry Christmas!
Carol
I routinely take 1000 mg vitamin C daily. I have purchased zinc but hadn’t started it yet. I’ll have to give this some thought.
I appreciate you sharing your positive experiences.
Merry Christmas!
Carol
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Firstly
Happy New Year Everyone!
I am doing better sticking to my 500mg VitC daily instead of every other day and I'm trying to do that with zinc daily now too....along with my B6, mag and VitD etc....I feel I am doing fine with copper.
I'm only just about to begin my 4th year of healing so all the incite into the MC living will surely help later on :-)
Thanks again Gabes for doing the ground work on this ;-) I hope you continue to keep feeling better Tex!
Hugs
Erica
Happy New Year Everyone!
I am doing better sticking to my 500mg VitC daily instead of every other day and I'm trying to do that with zinc daily now too....along with my B6, mag and VitD etc....I feel I am doing fine with copper.
I'm only just about to begin my 4th year of healing so all the incite into the MC living will surely help later on :-)
Thanks again Gabes for doing the ground work on this ;-) I hope you continue to keep feeling better Tex!
Hugs
Erica
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Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
I would say that's common problem. I had to avoid vitamin C (all sources of ascorbic acid) while I was recovering, but I seem to be able to tolerate it OK now.
Tex
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I am struggling with histamines right now and its winter. I am sure that I need vitamin C. I have trouble taking it or anything really due to my interstitial cystitis. What type of zinc/copper do you take? Will try avocados, I always stayed away too.
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Philippians 4:13
Jul 2008 took Clindamycin for a Sinus infection that forever changed my life
Dec 2014 MC Dx
Jul 15, 2015 Elimination Diet
Aug 17, 2015 Enterolab Test
Dec 2015 Reflux
Sept 2016 IC
I have to watch my p's and q's to keep from getting a rash. I can't help but wonder what will happen when summer gets here. I take a Soloray product with 2 mg copper and 50 mg zinc. It also contains some iodine, but that's not why I take it, so I don't even know how much it contains.
Tex
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Tex (and all). I recently had my lab work updated and my functional med doc would like me to take 25mg of zinc to get a better zinc/copper balance. My question is: which type of zinc is most readily absorbed? He didn’t specify (the nurse called me to relay the message) and when I started shopping I see there are like 6 different types of zinc.
I don’t want waste my time taking a kind that doesn’t absorb as well. Any suggestions are appreciated.
EDITED: I did find this study which suggests zinc picolinate is more readily absorbed than the other forms. I will start there unless I find more convincing information elsewhere.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3630857/
Thanks, Carol
PS- the methylation efforts are paying off. My homocysteine level was an 18 when I started which was higher than the high range. This time it was 8.8 and well inside the average range. Everything else that needed to drop was trending downward, like my CRP Cardiac score. More work to be done but some decent movement. The pancreatic enzymes have been helpful too.
I don’t want waste my time taking a kind that doesn’t absorb as well. Any suggestions are appreciated.
EDITED: I did find this study which suggests zinc picolinate is more readily absorbed than the other forms. I will start there unless I find more convincing information elsewhere.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3630857/
Thanks, Carol
PS- the methylation efforts are paying off. My homocysteine level was an 18 when I started which was higher than the high range. This time it was 8.8 and well inside the average range. Everything else that needed to drop was trending downward, like my CRP Cardiac score. More work to be done but some decent movement. The pancreatic enzymes have been helpful too.
“.... people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.” Maya Angelou
Hi Carol,
To be honest, I didn't even realize that some forms of zinc might pose an absorption problem. I usually just take a balanced-dose zinc/copper capsule such as this, or a similar product:
https://www.amazon.com/Solaray-Zinc-Cop ... B000I4AMH4
Kudos on the homocysteine and CRP levels.
Tex
To be honest, I didn't even realize that some forms of zinc might pose an absorption problem. I usually just take a balanced-dose zinc/copper capsule such as this, or a similar product:
https://www.amazon.com/Solaray-Zinc-Cop ... B000I4AMH4
Kudos on the homocysteine and CRP levels.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.