A close relative (by marriage) with confirmed celiac disease (and other AI issues) was recently tested for SIBO (among other things) in an effort to explain continued lack of progress. This despite a long term G/F S/F D/F EnteroLab based diet, and multiple prior interventions by both functional MD’s and alternative practitioners. Citrobacter Freundii, a pathogenic bacteria, was discovered. She will discuss the results with her practitioner later this week, so doesn’t yet know what protocol will be recommended. There are many NIH/pubMed studies and articles, which I’ve only scanned briefly, but here’s an excerpt which provides an overview of the GI symptoms involved:
https://www.omicsonline.org/the-contrib ... 000109.pdf
“Citrobacter is found in the human intestine and almost everywhere else including water, waste water, soil, etc. It is an indicator of a potential source of contamination but is rarely a source of illness [17]. Citrobacter freundi, however, is often the cause of opportunistic infections mostly causing abnormal inflammatory changes in the intestinal tract [17] and affecting biliary, urinary, and respiratory tracts, and blood of patients with weak immune system [18]. It has been suspected to cause diarrhea and possibly extraintestinal infections including peritonitis.” [19].
Antibiotics, seem to be the predominant treatment recommendation, although this bug is resistant to a number of them. I know she would prefer an alternative approach. The most recent post (I could find) here discussing suggested alternative treatments was from 2006, and didn’t include follow-up posts about results. Has anyone here been treated for this more recently? Thanks!!!
PS—Talk about brain fog—I must have scoured the links on the sign-in page for a full 5 minutes before finally noticing the big red search link. Then we had a few (brief) power outages so I needed to begin again.
Possible factor for those who “do everything right” but fail
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Possible factor for those who “do everything right” but fail
TeriM
“Sometimes the light’s all shining on me,
other times I can barely see.” Robert Hunter
“Sometimes the light’s all shining on me,
other times I can barely see.” Robert Hunter
Thanks Gabes & Brandy. The tests were ordered by a functional practitioner so I’d expect recommendations for an alternative approach would follow, but was curious as to whether anyone here had experienced this personally.
Brandy—I started taking Methyl Guard when reintroducing vitamins/supplements after several months of eating just 4-5 safe foods daily, and taking only Mag and D3. At that time I also began taking P-5-P and methylated versions of the B vitamins not included in Methyl Guard. Soon afterward I learned that I had both of the main MTHFR variants and an extremely elevated B-12 level. At some point I switched to Methyl Guard Plus, stopped the additional B’s and tried to understand whether I was over or under-methylated. I found it all so extremely confusing that I stopped taking all B vitamins (except P-5-P) and put the issue on the back burner, where its remained. I suspect I’m functionally deficient in vitamin B-12, but have not been able to establish this via the usual tests. Most recent B-12 results were in late September when it finally dropped into range, but just barely. My (frequent) blood count results are always out of range too—intermittently mildly anemic—although multiple iron/ferritin tests are normal. None of my practitioners (including oncologist/hematologist) have been helpful. I've thought about trying MG Plus again, but am concerned that it will elevate B-12 levels again.
Brandy—I started taking Methyl Guard when reintroducing vitamins/supplements after several months of eating just 4-5 safe foods daily, and taking only Mag and D3. At that time I also began taking P-5-P and methylated versions of the B vitamins not included in Methyl Guard. Soon afterward I learned that I had both of the main MTHFR variants and an extremely elevated B-12 level. At some point I switched to Methyl Guard Plus, stopped the additional B’s and tried to understand whether I was over or under-methylated. I found it all so extremely confusing that I stopped taking all B vitamins (except P-5-P) and put the issue on the back burner, where its remained. I suspect I’m functionally deficient in vitamin B-12, but have not been able to establish this via the usual tests. Most recent B-12 results were in late September when it finally dropped into range, but just barely. My (frequent) blood count results are always out of range too—intermittently mildly anemic—although multiple iron/ferritin tests are normal. None of my practitioners (including oncologist/hematologist) have been helpful. I've thought about trying MG Plus again, but am concerned that it will elevate B-12 levels again.
TeriM
“Sometimes the light’s all shining on me,
other times I can barely see.” Robert Hunter
“Sometimes the light’s all shining on me,
other times I can barely see.” Robert Hunter