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Saw an ID doc yesterday. Another total waste of time. He said I could go ahead with immune suppressants like Cellcept or Rituxan. He said many docs don't believe chronic EBV exists, even though my bloodwork clearly shows that I have it. He suggested my severe reaction to Valacyclovir may have been a herx/die off reaction from a herpes simplex or shingles activation, because Valacyclovir doesn't work on EBV (except I've never had any sign of herpes simplex or shingles!). He said the prednisone may have helped with the infection -- they are giving short bursts of prednisone for other infections with success.

Anyway, I'm feeling pretty good now. Muscles are fine, hands, knees and feet are improving, so I guess it's some sort of reactive arthritis, since RA tests were negative. I started Plaquenil again, doctor's orders, since it seems to help all things lupus-related. I tolerated it fine for 2 years, so no biggie, other then getting my eyes checked. I'm on a low dose based on my size.

Here's new game-changing research on B cells in lupus and ties to EBV.

Search for Infectious Triggers of Rheumatic Disease Could Yield Options to Block Process

Researchers discussed some of the background and recent findings that point to what immunologists call inflammation’s “original sin” at the American College of Rheumatology’s Basic Research Conference on Nov. 6, 2015, the precursor to the 2015 ACR/ARHP Annual Meeting. Infectious agents, such as the widespread Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), and the connections between genes and environmental agents point us in the right direction to find the source of autoantibody responses that lead to inflammation, bone erosion and other hallmarks of rheumatic diseases, the panelists said. Even if we do not yet know the sin or sins that trigger illness, we are moving in the right direction.

“By 2065, will we be able to understand where the origins of rheumatoid arthritis and lupus really come from? I think the likelihood is high,” said John B. Harley, MD, PhD, director of the Center for Autoimmunity Genomics and Etiology at Cincinnati Children’s Hospital. Speaking on possible infectious triggers in rheumatic diseases, Dr. Harley pointed to the currently murky understanding of the exact infections that cause such diseases as septic arthritis or reactive arthritis. When autoimmune diseases have many possible triggering agents, it creates huge problems in developing therapies, he said.

EBV a Likely Culprit
EBV infection often is suspected as a major contributing factor to autoimmune diseases, Dr. Harley said. One of the most common viruses affecting humans and very easily spread, EBV could be the triggering agent in RA or lupus. Although still unclear for RA, it is a likely culprit in lupus, Dr. Harley said. He described seeing an identical twin pushing a sibling into an arthritis clinic, and said, “There has to be some trigger in the environment.”
He cited a 2015 paper published in Arthritis Research & Therapy by researchers at the University of Aberdeen in Scotland that looked at whether prior infection with EBV was more common in RA patients compared with controls, performing a systematic review and meta-analysis of 23 studies that reported RA patients having a prevalence of anti-EBV antibodies in their sera.1

The virus was suspected as a trigger for various reasons, including past studies that showed that RA patients had a 10-fold higher EBV viral load in their peripheral blood. In addition, RA patients spend a high percentage of their T cell response to suppress EBV, and EBV infects plasma cells in the synovium, Dr. Harley said. Yet this study didn’t establish a significant association between RA and serological markers of EBV infection like anti-EBNA-1 IgG or anti-EA.
The evidence for EBV as the infectious trigger that causes lupus autoimmunity is much clearer, he said.2 The high presence of antibodies to EBV nuclear antigen-1 (anti-EBNA-1) in patients’ sera suggests that this viral infection is a key environmental risk factor for later development of lupus.

“Lupus patients make a lot of antibodies. It’s dropping out of the solution because it is so concentrated,” Dr. Harley said. Patients have autoantibodies for years before a lupus diagnosis, and can have high levels of these autoantibodies for as many as five years before symptoms show, he said. Those anti-EBNA-1 antibodies bind to lupus-specific autoantigens, such as Ro. Lupus patients often have a 15- to 40-fold increase in Epstein-Barr viral loads, an increased number of EBV-infected B cells, and increased EBV gene expression.

How Genes Come into Play

Somehow, infectious agents interact with an individual’s genetic susceptibility to trigger disease. “Eventually, we will understand the connections between genetics and the environment” in autoimmune diseases, said Dr. Harley.
We still know very little about the genetics of the initiation of disease, said his fellow panelist, V. Michael Holers, MD, head of the Division of Rheumatology at the University of Colorado, Denver. He spoke more about how genes and environment intersect in RA, and referred to a multi-laboratory project to explore the pathogenesis of early RA, the Studies of the Etiology of Rheumatoid Arthritis (SERA), which he co-founded in 2002. SERA’s work includes identifying high-risk populations of individuals who as yet don’t have clinically apparent disease.

“What are the biomarkers and autoantibodies in the evolution of seropositive RA?” Dr. Holers asked. Patients will move through four phases on the road to RA: genetic risk, preclinical autoimmunity, initial signs and symptoms of disease, and then classifiable, clinical disease.

Two biomarkers are important clues in SERA’s findings. Seropositive RA patients exhibit rheumatoid factor (RF) and antibodies to citrullinated protein antigens (ACPA), he said. ACPA is highly specific for RA, and citrullinated proteins are present in the synovium and lungs of patients with RA, sites of inflammation. Using serum data on 83 patients with current RA from the U.S. Department of Defense’s Army-Navy Serum Repository, researchers found signs that ACPA response rapidly expands prior to the development of clinically apparent disease.3

“What was the first epitope reactivity, or the original sin” that sets the process of autoimmunity in motion, Dr. Holers said. RA patients often have a robust expansion of inflammatory biomarkers like cytokines and chemokines in their blood before clinically apparent disease. In addition, the effector functions of ACPA evolve as RA develops in the time before the patient is symptomatic, he said. “ACPAs become more potent as the disease progresses, as it picks up more effective aspects of complement.”
It’s important to be able to identify and perform intensive, deep phenotyping of people who are both antibody positive and genetically at risk in order to one day intervene early, before inflammation can begin to damage joints, and to improve therapies, he said.

The lungs are a good place to look for clues that a person may be at risk for RA. Lung disease is associated with elevations of RA-related, anti-CCP3.1 autoantibodies, and smoking tobacco and breathing silica particulate matter are two risk factors for RA, Dr. Holers noted.

In one paper published in Arthritis & Rheumatology in 2014, researchers described the results of DNA barcoding to sequence antibodies expressed by plasmablasts in the blood serum of RA patients, he said.4 Their analysis results of isotype frequencies in this population showed a dramatic skewing to IgA, antibodies that are largely found in mucosal surfaces such as the linings of the lungs.

“There is increasing evidence that mucosal inflammation is driving this disease,” said Dr. Holers. Whether in gingivitis, periodontitis or pulmonary disease, the original sin’s trail may begin on mucosal surfaces.

But how do genes come into play? “We are on the road to understanding genetics, but we still don’t know how many genetic factors are involved in each phase of this disease,” said Dr. Holers. “We know some of the fundamental principles, such as that genes play a role in the high affinity for ACPA responses in these individuals, specifically in the preclinical period.”
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Zizzle wrote:He said the prednisone may have helped with the infection -- they are giving short bursts of prednisone for other infections with success.
Wanna know why that works? It works because corticosteroids promote the expression of vitamin D receptors, and vitamin D is the fuel on which the immune system operates. But I'll bet that the doctor who told you that doesn't have the foggiest idea why prednisone helps to fight infections.
“By 2065, will we be able to understand where the origins of rheumatoid arthritis and lupus really come from? I think the likelihood is high,” said John B. Harley, MD, PhD, director of the Center for Autoimmunity Genomics and Etiology at Cincinnati Children’s Hospital.
By 2065? Damn! Those guys are really ambitious. :roll: I'll venture a guess that their favorite hobby is sitting around watching the grass grow. :lol: No wonder progress is so slow in the medical world — it's slow by design. When progress is scheduled to proceed at a snail's pace, guess what? . . . it proceeds at a snail's pace. But think of all the immune-suppressing and anti-inflammatory drugs they can sell/prescribe in the 50 years between now and then. :roll:

But on a more encouraging note, it's good to see that you're doing much better again. The next time you try a med that causes such adverse symptoms, I suggest that you jump off that horse before he runs over the edge of the cliff. Remember that these days, more people die from prescription drugs than from illegal drugs.

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Wanna know why that works? It works because corticosteroids promote the expression of vitamin D receptors, and vitamin D is the fuel on which the immune system operates. But I'll bet that the doctor who told you that doesn't have the foggiest idea why prednisone helps to fight infections.
does that mean that if you are deficient in Vit D3 corticosteroids dont work so well...
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Gabes,

That opinion is based on a theory that I defined in my vitamin D book. While it is a proven medical fact (documented in the book) that corticosteroids do indeed express vitamin D receptors, the logic for how this relates to healing (which seems rather obvious to me, at least) is strictly mine, and has never been proven or denied by any medical research. So until someone actually does an official medically-approved research study on it, it is strictly my theory.

But yes, if my theory is correct, corticosteroids work by exploiting the ability of the active form of vitamin D to suppress mast cell activity (both mast cell propagation and degranulation — also documented by medical references in the book). IOW, corticosteroids create more vitamin D receptors, and that allows vitamin D to work more effectively to suppress inflammation. In effect, corticosteroids create a synergistic effect on vitamin D. Because of that, I would predict that in cases where corticosteroids are not effective in treating MC, for example, there is a very good chance that the reason the treatment fails is because of insufficient vitamin D. It is known that corticosteroids deplete vitamin D, and IMO this is the reason why that happens. Corticosteroids "use" the vitamin D to suppress inflammation. Without adequate vitamin D they are far less effective (or maybe even impotent if no vitamin D is available).

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Good news! I just heard from my new ID doc about results of my most recent CBC and EBV titers. My white count is 6,400, which is 2,000 higher than any WBC count in the last 2 years!! It was 2,200 in December. Normal is above 3,800. Then again, my docs say prednisone raises WBCs...buts it's a false increase, so who knows. My EBV IGM, which proves active infection, dropped from 49.6 to 36, which is in the normal range! Phew! My early antibody dropped somewhat from 98 to 91, and my IGG remained the same, in the 400s. Looks like the active episode is over! My rash and other symptoms are clearing nicely too. He agreed that I should always recheck my titers when my DM flares, to see how they correlate.
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Great news Zizzle! Glad things are going better for you.
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This is the best explanation of why my DM has stayed confined to my skin and my gut (LC) for 12 years! EBV is my presumed trigger, since I had mono in my teens, it reactivates from time to time, and I have crazy high antibody titers to it.

"As well as changing the immune system in a ‘whole-body’ sense, EBV can also inhabit cells in specific tissues in the body, such as the gut or the skin. This drives inflammation and autoimmunity just in that area, without obvious consequences to the rest of the body.

Epstein Barr typically colonises B-cells as mentioned above, but also frequently inhabits another type of cell called epithelial cells. Specifically, EBV has been found active in salivary cells in Sjogrens, skin epithelial cells in Scleroderma and gut epithelial cells in refractory celiac disease as well as others. There have been studies done where they have researched the specific immune changes and resulting autoimmunity related to EBV in individual tissue."

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Thanks for this great, easy to read article Zizzle. I too have EBV, I had no mono in earlier years either but was diagnosed after LC diagnosis. This was definitely one of my triggers.
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good morning we talk more and more about epstain starr about microscopic colitis, I do not know if I had mononucleosis, but it is a disease that is often not recognized among the many influences, but I know that I have a very high IgA value and indicates infection or mononucleosis
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I too was diagnosed with mono in my 40's after much testing. I suffered with it for over a year during the same time I was diagnosed with LC. The doctor felt that I must of had it when I was younger, although I don't recall it. Most of us carry the EBV around.
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but is it possible that he is the cause of the inflammation of the color and not only? Is it a bit like herpes simplex in the lip that comes and goes but never dies?
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Hi Acres,

Yes it is, but the inflammation that it causes is separate and distinct from the inflammation caused by microscopic colitis. This makes the two forms of inflammation additive. It's possible that when EBV is active, it contributes to an MC reaction, but there hasn't been enough research to form any definite conclusions. They are two independent diseases. But the inflammation caused by EBV probably makes people more susceptible to other autoimmune diseases. As far as I know, this hasn't been proven yet. Anyone who knows otherwise, please correct me.

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Hi tex and everybody ,
But isn't there a therapy that can "cure" this virus? but it would be useful to do the test for EBV and some other ??? and if it is positive, what does it represent?
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As far as I'm aware, you can't "cure" any viruses, you can only control their symptoms. Viruses are capable of altering genes, and they usually do. Viruses are very powerful. They're often used by labs to insert the desired genes into the target cells of GMO organisms, for example.

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I had no problems after my Mono episode. I had extreme fatigue and that's about it. My silent Celiac disease came on as a toddler or before. I could've been born with silent Celiac disease.
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