antibiotic causing flare
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antibiotic causing flare
I was diagnosed with cc 10 weeks ago and started on pepto which has been working great. My GI said to take it indefinitely? I had a root canal though and needed antibiotics so I'm on Amoxicilin. I'm reading here that was a bad choice and it has caused my symptoms to return. I'm almost done with them though. Besides Pepto, is there anything else I could do or take to help? It looks like I'm going to need to make some dietary changes for the long term too. I've been vegan for several years and that doesn't match up with what I'm reading here either. Sadly, my 15 yo daughter was diagnosed with lc the week after my diagnosis. She is doing well on Budesonide. She also has lymphocytic gastritis, autoimmune atrophic gastritis, celiac, hashimoto's, and gastoparesis. We're not so great in the GI department.
Hi,
Welcome to the group. How much Pepto are You taking?
Whether or not a vegan diet will work depends on whether or not you are sensitive to soy and most legumes. Most of us are sensitive to soy (about 60–70 % of us). EnteroLab has a set of test Panels especially designed for vegans, if you want to determine your food sensitivities (the B2 + C2 Panel).
https://www.enterolab.com/StaticPages/T ... #PanelB2C2
It might be prudent to take a good probiotic for a week or two as you end the antibiotic treatment. Amoxicillin is notorious for causing C diff infections.
All those issues that your daughter has are related to the LC, and they're simply another side effect of gluten sensitivity. Therefore, they can all be resolved by avoiding the foods that are causing her immune system to produce antibodies. The gastoparesis is a symptom of a chronic magnesium deficiency. LC/CC/MC depletes magnesium. Budesonide also depletes magnesium. If the doctor prescribed a PPI to treat the gastoparesis, please be aware that PPIs will trigger MC/CC/LC and cause her to develop GERD. Does she have diabetes?
Again, welcome aboard, and please feel free to ask anything.
Tex
Welcome to the group. How much Pepto are You taking?
Whether or not a vegan diet will work depends on whether or not you are sensitive to soy and most legumes. Most of us are sensitive to soy (about 60–70 % of us). EnteroLab has a set of test Panels especially designed for vegans, if you want to determine your food sensitivities (the B2 + C2 Panel).
https://www.enterolab.com/StaticPages/T ... #PanelB2C2
It might be prudent to take a good probiotic for a week or two as you end the antibiotic treatment. Amoxicillin is notorious for causing C diff infections.
All those issues that your daughter has are related to the LC, and they're simply another side effect of gluten sensitivity. Therefore, they can all be resolved by avoiding the foods that are causing her immune system to produce antibodies. The gastoparesis is a symptom of a chronic magnesium deficiency. LC/CC/MC depletes magnesium. Budesonide also depletes magnesium. If the doctor prescribed a PPI to treat the gastoparesis, please be aware that PPIs will trigger MC/CC/LC and cause her to develop GERD. Does she have diabetes?
Again, welcome aboard, and please feel free to ask anything.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Juli,
Welcome! If you don't already have Tex's (Wayne's) book it is a great resource. https://www.amazon.com/Microscopic-Coli ... 1732079234
Also, check out the newsletters on the Foundation website.
As your daughter goes into remission a lot of her GI situations will fade away.
Welcome! If you don't already have Tex's (Wayne's) book it is a great resource. https://www.amazon.com/Microscopic-Coli ... 1732079234
Also, check out the newsletters on the Foundation website.
As your daughter goes into remission a lot of her GI situations will fade away.
Thanks Tex. My daughter does not have diabetes, thankfully. She was diagnosed celiac at 11 and has been off gluten since then. The other diagnosis were made in the last year. She doesn't take PPIs. Autoimmune gastritis causes low stomach acid. Her dr said it is very unusual to have autoimmune gastritis and lymphocitic gastritis at the same time. She started Erythromicin for gp and Budesonide for LC a few months ago. We have another complicating factor as well. Myself and all my daughters have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome which has a co morbidity of dysautonomia. That is the cause of the gp according to her dr. MY 18 yo daughter has gp and my 22 yo daughter passed away from gp two years ago; all related to dysautonomia. Neither of them ever had any autoimmune diseases of the GI tract. My daughters' blood tests have never shown low magnesium. Is the serum test for that reliable? I'm definitely reading all the dietary info on the site. It was crushing to loose my daughter and I'll do whatever I can to make sure it doesn"t happen again.
I'll also be avoiding Amoxicilin in the future.
I'll also be avoiding Amoxicilin in the future.
You definitely have your hands full, dealing with all those problems. Ehlers Danlos Syndrome is not uncommon among MC patients. And more than a few of us have gastroparesis, also, probably because of the magnesium deficiency (and vitamin D deficiency) issues associated with MC. The serum magnesium test is almost worthless, except in an emergency room setting. It only tells you how much magnesium is in circulation at the moment the sample was taken.
Five or six years ago, I developed a chronic magnesium deficiency problem that finally became severe, so I'm speaking from experience. Doctors never (and I do mean never) recognize a magnesium deficiency problem. I asked several otherwise knowledgeable doctors for help, but I always received a blank stare as an answer (as if I were nutty). I even went to the ER, where they gave me the serum test, and even though the result was flagged as below range, the doctors there told me that everything looked "fine" and sent me home. The next day I looked up my test results online, spotted the flagged result immediately, doubled my magnesium supplement, and by the next day, all my symptoms were gone. I was already taking magnesium, that's why the deficiency sneaked up on me. But I was taking the wrong kind.
The reason why the serum test is almost useless is because it measures magnesium in the bloodstream even though the blood contains only about 1 to 2 % or the total magnesium in the body and the amount is closely regulated because magnesium is a vital electrolyte. The red blood cell (RBC) magnesium test gives a much more reliable indication of how much magnesium is in our cells, as reserves. But the so-called "normal" range for magnesium is just plain wrong. Why? Because approximately 80 % of the subjects in that study were magnesium deficient, so the "normal" range for magnesium is based on corrupt data. I agree with Dr. Carolyn Dean who says that the correct normal range for the RBC test should be at least 6.0–6.5 mg/dL. Most labs show the "normal" range as 3.9-5.8 mg/dL. Here's a reference:
Magnesium RBC Blood Test
Almost everyone is magnesium-deficient, but predicting how much magnesium we each need to take is not an exact science. The RDA is 320 mg for women and 400 mg for men. Consider that to be a minimum daily dose. And if you're taking calcium, you need to take extra magnesium to compensate, because calcium also depletes magnesium.
If you will private message or email me your mailing address, I'll be happy to send you copies of several books that you should find to be very helpful, or if you prefer digital copies, I can just attach them to an email (if you tell me what type of digital device you'll be using, so that I can send them in the correct format). You can PM me or email me by clicking on the corresponding button at the bottom of this post.
Tex
Five or six years ago, I developed a chronic magnesium deficiency problem that finally became severe, so I'm speaking from experience. Doctors never (and I do mean never) recognize a magnesium deficiency problem. I asked several otherwise knowledgeable doctors for help, but I always received a blank stare as an answer (as if I were nutty). I even went to the ER, where they gave me the serum test, and even though the result was flagged as below range, the doctors there told me that everything looked "fine" and sent me home. The next day I looked up my test results online, spotted the flagged result immediately, doubled my magnesium supplement, and by the next day, all my symptoms were gone. I was already taking magnesium, that's why the deficiency sneaked up on me. But I was taking the wrong kind.
The reason why the serum test is almost useless is because it measures magnesium in the bloodstream even though the blood contains only about 1 to 2 % or the total magnesium in the body and the amount is closely regulated because magnesium is a vital electrolyte. The red blood cell (RBC) magnesium test gives a much more reliable indication of how much magnesium is in our cells, as reserves. But the so-called "normal" range for magnesium is just plain wrong. Why? Because approximately 80 % of the subjects in that study were magnesium deficient, so the "normal" range for magnesium is based on corrupt data. I agree with Dr. Carolyn Dean who says that the correct normal range for the RBC test should be at least 6.0–6.5 mg/dL. Most labs show the "normal" range as 3.9-5.8 mg/dL. Here's a reference:
Magnesium RBC Blood Test
Almost everyone is magnesium-deficient, but predicting how much magnesium we each need to take is not an exact science. The RDA is 320 mg for women and 400 mg for men. Consider that to be a minimum daily dose. And if you're taking calcium, you need to take extra magnesium to compensate, because calcium also depletes magnesium.
If you will private message or email me your mailing address, I'll be happy to send you copies of several books that you should find to be very helpful, or if you prefer digital copies, I can just attach them to an email (if you tell me what type of digital device you'll be using, so that I can send them in the correct format). You can PM me or email me by clicking on the corresponding button at the bottom of this post.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.