Hello everyone,
I just read on another post that the vitamins can cause D.
I'm considering taking magnesium and Vitamin B2 for migraines
and possible Melatonin (for a good night's sleep)
I thought I heard somewhere that magnesium can cause D.
Any thoughts?
Love,
Mo
Are all vitamins on the "no" list?
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I take Magnesium and have had no problems, but these days I seem to have it pretty good where the *D* is concerned. Now that said, I hope I don't get it. I take Natural calm, it's powdered and I mix it with water and then Juice. I sleep better with it. Altho I still have sleepless nights, just fewer of them. Love Oma
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Morning ~~~
MO---waaaaaaaaay back,when I was doctored by my *X* GI, I took something for an upset tummy,I think, cant remember what But it had magnesium in it and he yelled @ me due to the fact that YES--mag. can cause *D*???
Wish I could remember what it was---
Hope U are feeling *ok*---was it an in and out surgery or were U hospitalized!!!
Till later
keep a smile
luv, Barb
MO---waaaaaaaaay back,when I was doctored by my *X* GI, I took something for an upset tummy,I think, cant remember what But it had magnesium in it and he yelled @ me due to the fact that YES--mag. can cause *D*???
Wish I could remember what it was---
Hope U are feeling *ok*---was it an in and out surgery or were U hospitalized!!!
Till later
keep a smile
luv, Barb
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Hi Mo,
Here is a quote about that topic:
"As a general rule, you need about 6 mg of magnesium for every kilogram (2.2 lb) of body weight. That means that if you weigh 150 lb, you should be getting about 350 mg a day. (Note: If this amount gives you diarrhea, simply take your magnesium in divided doses throughout the day until normal bowel habits return.) Check first with your doctor before taking magnesium supplements if you have problems with your kidneys or heart."
This comes from this site:
http://www.prevention.com/finder/1,,s-3 ... -1,00.html
On another page, that site also mentions that doses of vitamin C in excess of 2000 mg per day can cause diarrhea. I didn't know that.
Actually, megadoses of many vitamins can cause toxic effects, including vitamins A, D, E, K, etc. Here is a discussion of those effects:
http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/At ... xicity.jsp
Love,
Wayne
Here is a quote about that topic:
"As a general rule, you need about 6 mg of magnesium for every kilogram (2.2 lb) of body weight. That means that if you weigh 150 lb, you should be getting about 350 mg a day. (Note: If this amount gives you diarrhea, simply take your magnesium in divided doses throughout the day until normal bowel habits return.) Check first with your doctor before taking magnesium supplements if you have problems with your kidneys or heart."
This comes from this site:
http://www.prevention.com/finder/1,,s-3 ... -1,00.html
On another page, that site also mentions that doses of vitamin C in excess of 2000 mg per day can cause diarrhea. I didn't know that.
Actually, megadoses of many vitamins can cause toxic effects, including vitamins A, D, E, K, etc. Here is a discussion of those effects:
http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/At ... xicity.jsp
Love,
Wayne
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Mo,
The reason vitamins are off limits to me any many of the others on this board is because they contain ingredients that we are intolerant of. In the post you mentioned Karen knew her mother was taking vitamins with gluten and/or diary in them (I think).
So, it's not the vitamin itself, but the 'inert ingredients' that are the problem. And to be absolutely correct, some vitamins like A and C are often made from corn.
Love, Jean
The reason vitamins are off limits to me any many of the others on this board is because they contain ingredients that we are intolerant of. In the post you mentioned Karen knew her mother was taking vitamins with gluten and/or diary in them (I think).
So, it's not the vitamin itself, but the 'inert ingredients' that are the problem. And to be absolutely correct, some vitamins like A and C are often made from corn.
Love, Jean
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Hello Mo,
Nice to meet you! There are many sources of hypoallergenic vitamins, so I wouldn't hesitate to take vitamins myself. I just read the labels carefully and use brands that specify no sugar, starch, yeast, etc.
From the reading I've done about magnesium, the vast majority of Americans are deficient in it and it is critical for more than 300 activities in the body, and very important in relation to calcium intake. It CAN cause D. if taken in larger doses. So you might just begin with a smaller dose (like 100 mg) and slowly increase depending on your comfort level.
I read a wonderful book called Foods That Fight Pain that has a chapter on migraines and lists the ten foods that mostly commonly trigger them. You might already be familiar with this, but in case you are not...they are:
dairy products
chocolate
eggs
citrus fruits
meat
wheat
nuts and peanuts
tomatoes
onions
corn
apples
bananas
The chapter on migraines also talks about magnesium versus migraines. It says that researchers have found taht 200 mg per day of elemental magneisum, added to the magnesium in the foods you eat, hleps prevent migraines. In three thousand people treated with magnesium, 80 percent got at least partial benefit from it. Sounds like you are already on this track!!!! The chapter also has some other suggestions for supplements. It's written by a doctor and backed up by medical research.
Good luck with this! Celia
Nice to meet you! There are many sources of hypoallergenic vitamins, so I wouldn't hesitate to take vitamins myself. I just read the labels carefully and use brands that specify no sugar, starch, yeast, etc.
From the reading I've done about magnesium, the vast majority of Americans are deficient in it and it is critical for more than 300 activities in the body, and very important in relation to calcium intake. It CAN cause D. if taken in larger doses. So you might just begin with a smaller dose (like 100 mg) and slowly increase depending on your comfort level.
I read a wonderful book called Foods That Fight Pain that has a chapter on migraines and lists the ten foods that mostly commonly trigger them. You might already be familiar with this, but in case you are not...they are:
dairy products
chocolate
eggs
citrus fruits
meat
wheat
nuts and peanuts
tomatoes
onions
corn
apples
bananas
The chapter on migraines also talks about magnesium versus migraines. It says that researchers have found taht 200 mg per day of elemental magneisum, added to the magnesium in the foods you eat, hleps prevent migraines. In three thousand people treated with magnesium, 80 percent got at least partial benefit from it. Sounds like you are already on this track!!!! The chapter also has some other suggestions for supplements. It's written by a doctor and backed up by medical research.
Good luck with this! Celia
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That is an excellent and highly acclaimed book.
Cutting to the chase, though, the basic tenet of the book, is that a low-fat, strict vegetarian diet, can prevent pain.
Wayne
Cutting to the chase, though, the basic tenet of the book, is that a low-fat, strict vegetarian diet, can prevent pain.
Wayne
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
You are right Wayne...the author definitely has a strong preference for vegetarian diets! But then so does Dr. Fine. I found the information and research is still very useful, even if I don't necessarily agree with his point of view about vegetarian diets. I haven't come to a conclusion on that one yet...Celia.
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artteacher
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Hi,
I just wanted to tell you that magnesium glycinate is the type I took, and the least likely to cause diarrhea. In case you've never taken it before, start slowly, and pick a kind recommended to be non-laxative. (Milk of Magnesia is a form of magnesium given specifically as a laxative). I have a really sensitive stomach when it comes to vitamins, but had no bad reactions at all with the glycinate form.
Love, Marsha
I just wanted to tell you that magnesium glycinate is the type I took, and the least likely to cause diarrhea. In case you've never taken it before, start slowly, and pick a kind recommended to be non-laxative. (Milk of Magnesia is a form of magnesium given specifically as a laxative). I have a really sensitive stomach when it comes to vitamins, but had no bad reactions at all with the glycinate form.
Love, Marsha
Hi Mo,
Nice to "see" you. I regret that you are having migraines. Hate those things!
One thing I sort of accidently stumbled upon during the holidays last year, was that even off of my food sensitivities, I can get too much of an additive, in this case, a nitrite (isn't sodium nitrite the one used in those hams they mail, people?)
Anyway, this particular ham didn't list ANY other thing as a preservative, and had none of my sensitivities, so it MUST'VE been that, but it took a few days of just eating a little bit for it to add up enough to cause a rather minor migraine.
(Remember, by this time, it had been a whole TWO years since I'd had one of 'em. Before that, it was getting to the point that they were almost around the clock sometimes, having steadily increased in frequency, duration and severity over my lifetime. I really don't think it was the sodium.)
As you can well imagine, I wasn't thrilled when I detected that old familiar feeling coming on that morning, even though it wasn't nearly as strong a sensation.
Anyone know whether or not nitrites are considered "excitotoxins?" Aren't they things that set off migraines in folks?
Is MSG also a member of the excitotoxin family? (Celia, this sounds right up your alley!)
This is an aside, but interestingly,
a few weekends ago, I heard the "Michael Debakey of environmental medicine," Dr. Rea, speak at a conference. He said that in every single patient of his with 5 or was it 6, food sensitivities, that they will always have one or more chemical sensitivities. I believe that this is why I suddenly developed so many peculiar reactions to things like medications,
Sounds like you've gotten some good suggestions here already.
As someone has said, it's mainly important to make sure your kidneys and heart are ok, so it's best to check this out with your doc/s, before proceding, even with the doses recommended on the bottle. If the doc says it's ok for you to take that dose, then procede with the cautions mentioned above.
I should think that as long as these things are done, that Mg wouldn't trigger M.C., but who knows for sure?
Interestingly, I now eat so much vegetation everyday, that I give birth to foot long specimens as long as I take my calcium/magnesium supplement with Vit D.
If I get lazy, and leave that off a day or two, the muscles will only push the foot long stool out a little bit at a time -- NOT convenient! (Remember those lead mechanical pencils?) Yes, Mo, we still talk about disgusting things! Haha!
I sort of feel like the Magnesium makes up for the lack of the right kind of exercise which would probably accomplish the same thing, but hey, if it makes me want to get back on the Magnesium, guess that's not a bad thing! Ha!
Point of all this is that the Magnesium does something in that area of the body that is important to normal peristalsis, at least in my experience.. Remember how we've always heard that moving things along as quickly as possible through the gut is important (like that's been a problem with M.C., right?)
Do you plan on taking the recommended amounts of calcium and Vit D with your Magnesium?
Remember, if you're taking enough Magnesium to cause diarrhea, then, FOR YOU, it's an overdose, I would think.
Sure hope this helps, and more importantly that you get over those stinkin' migraines!
Yours, Luce
Nice to "see" you. I regret that you are having migraines. Hate those things!
One thing I sort of accidently stumbled upon during the holidays last year, was that even off of my food sensitivities, I can get too much of an additive, in this case, a nitrite (isn't sodium nitrite the one used in those hams they mail, people?)
Anyway, this particular ham didn't list ANY other thing as a preservative, and had none of my sensitivities, so it MUST'VE been that, but it took a few days of just eating a little bit for it to add up enough to cause a rather minor migraine.
(Remember, by this time, it had been a whole TWO years since I'd had one of 'em. Before that, it was getting to the point that they were almost around the clock sometimes, having steadily increased in frequency, duration and severity over my lifetime. I really don't think it was the sodium.)
As you can well imagine, I wasn't thrilled when I detected that old familiar feeling coming on that morning, even though it wasn't nearly as strong a sensation.
Anyone know whether or not nitrites are considered "excitotoxins?" Aren't they things that set off migraines in folks?
Is MSG also a member of the excitotoxin family? (Celia, this sounds right up your alley!)
This is an aside, but interestingly,
a few weekends ago, I heard the "Michael Debakey of environmental medicine," Dr. Rea, speak at a conference. He said that in every single patient of his with 5 or was it 6, food sensitivities, that they will always have one or more chemical sensitivities. I believe that this is why I suddenly developed so many peculiar reactions to things like medications,
Sounds like you've gotten some good suggestions here already.
As someone has said, it's mainly important to make sure your kidneys and heart are ok, so it's best to check this out with your doc/s, before proceding, even with the doses recommended on the bottle. If the doc says it's ok for you to take that dose, then procede with the cautions mentioned above.
I should think that as long as these things are done, that Mg wouldn't trigger M.C., but who knows for sure?
Interestingly, I now eat so much vegetation everyday, that I give birth to foot long specimens as long as I take my calcium/magnesium supplement with Vit D.
If I get lazy, and leave that off a day or two, the muscles will only push the foot long stool out a little bit at a time -- NOT convenient! (Remember those lead mechanical pencils?) Yes, Mo, we still talk about disgusting things! Haha!
I sort of feel like the Magnesium makes up for the lack of the right kind of exercise which would probably accomplish the same thing, but hey, if it makes me want to get back on the Magnesium, guess that's not a bad thing! Ha!
Point of all this is that the Magnesium does something in that area of the body that is important to normal peristalsis, at least in my experience.. Remember how we've always heard that moving things along as quickly as possible through the gut is important (like that's been a problem with M.C., right?)
Do you plan on taking the recommended amounts of calcium and Vit D with your Magnesium?
Remember, if you're taking enough Magnesium to cause diarrhea, then, FOR YOU, it's an overdose, I would think.
Sure hope this helps, and more importantly that you get over those stinkin' migraines!
Yours, Luce
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annie oakley
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Thanks!
Wow, you guys are a wealth of information! I am starting 10mg. day of prozac as a migraine preventitive - I'll wait to see if I get a reaction from that before I start magnesium.
Yes, Luce, nitrates are definitely a trigger for migraines.....
and, Oma, I love chocolate! I am convinced that this is the caffeine I need to go with my tylenol when I'm getting a headache - that's my cocktail ha! ha! I don't think it is a trigger for me though (or am I in denial?)
Have a great weekend,
Love,
Mo
Yes, Luce, nitrates are definitely a trigger for migraines.....
and, Oma, I love chocolate! I am convinced that this is the caffeine I need to go with my tylenol when I'm getting a headache - that's my cocktail ha! ha! I don't think it is a trigger for me though (or am I in denial?)
Have a great weekend,
Love,
Mo
Mo,
I think it sort of works both ways with the caffeine. I used to get them if I drank to much coffee sometimes, the day or night before I woke up with the headache.
Other times, particularly before the nausea would hit me right after waking up with one, I might be able to get a little relief by sipping just a little bit of weak coffee or even a coca Cola.
Eventually, I gave in and started on those quick acting tablets I got from the doc, and those sure beat the coffee and OJ method!
Yours, Luce
I think it sort of works both ways with the caffeine. I used to get them if I drank to much coffee sometimes, the day or night before I woke up with the headache.
Other times, particularly before the nausea would hit me right after waking up with one, I might be able to get a little relief by sipping just a little bit of weak coffee or even a coca Cola.
Eventually, I gave in and started on those quick acting tablets I got from the doc, and those sure beat the coffee and OJ method!
Yours, Luce
Mo,
Sulfites are another headache trigger, but you may know that already. I thought of that when you mentioned chocolate. This site has a ton of info on sulfites...
http://members.aol.com/nosulfites/
Best of luck with this! Celia
Sulfites are another headache trigger, but you may know that already. I thought of that when you mentioned chocolate. This site has a ton of info on sulfites...
http://members.aol.com/nosulfites/
Best of luck with this! Celia
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