Hello. I'm curious what you veterans know about the connection, if there is one, between H Pylori infestation and Colitis. I've been diagnosed with a very high H Pylori count ... which I've been viewing as a separate issue from my CC. I'm going to try Pepto Bismol, which I've researched extensively as a possible help for this ~ at least until I see my doctor in a few weeks. I tried "natural" treatments for the H Pylori, which did not work for me (they've worked well for others) so I assume my doctor will want to start me on antibiotics to try to get rid of this bad bacteria.
Also.. If any of you have info / advice re high calprotectin levels? I know calprotectin is a marker for inflammation, but ~ like H Pylori ~ I'm curious if you've found a direct connection between it and MC, which seems logical.
Thanks so much for sharing.
H Pylori
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Re: H Pylori
H Pylori is bacteria based issue.
Imbalances with bacteria / virus / mycotoxins etc is very common with MC (and any IBD that causes leaky gut) due to ongoing inflammation and damage to the villi.
so far as treating it, well it is similar to healing from MC. It takes time and the right combo of elements.
the reason why natural treatments may not have worked is that while there is still MC type inflammation AND if you are low on key nutrients required to heal, then treating the H Pylori will have limited scope of success.
Long term, these types of imbalances tend to resolve once there has been long term healing MC wise, and you can absorb nutrients properly.
when you say that the treatments worked for others - I am assuming you mean NON MC patients???
Healing in MC world is like renovating a house. you have to work through damaged layers, fix them, treat them, follow the steps in the right order, if you rush the process you end up with a shite result!! that doesnt last time.
after years of reasonable remission from my MC issues - it then took me 2 years working with a functional practitioner to do a 'gut/immune protocol' that cleared every bad bacteria, virus mycotoxin from my system.
for now I would avoid the antiobiotics and not focus on the H Pylori. Getting MC into good remission and get some good gut healing is priority.
hope this helps
Imbalances with bacteria / virus / mycotoxins etc is very common with MC (and any IBD that causes leaky gut) due to ongoing inflammation and damage to the villi.
so far as treating it, well it is similar to healing from MC. It takes time and the right combo of elements.
the reason why natural treatments may not have worked is that while there is still MC type inflammation AND if you are low on key nutrients required to heal, then treating the H Pylori will have limited scope of success.
Long term, these types of imbalances tend to resolve once there has been long term healing MC wise, and you can absorb nutrients properly.
when you say that the treatments worked for others - I am assuming you mean NON MC patients???
Healing in MC world is like renovating a house. you have to work through damaged layers, fix them, treat them, follow the steps in the right order, if you rush the process you end up with a shite result!! that doesnt last time.
after years of reasonable remission from my MC issues - it then took me 2 years working with a functional practitioner to do a 'gut/immune protocol' that cleared every bad bacteria, virus mycotoxin from my system.
for now I would avoid the antiobiotics and not focus on the H Pylori. Getting MC into good remission and get some good gut healing is priority.
hope this helps
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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Re: H Pylori
Regarding the calprotectin level for MC patients: normally that level is not elevated for most MC patients. Occasionally, though, it will be slightly elevated for some MC patients. Normally, higher calprotectin levels are associated with either Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis. I have no idea whether that could be associated with an H. pylori infection.
Tex
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Re: H Pylori / EcoLab
Thank you both for your replies. You are true heroes here.
For what it's worth, I may HAVE to address the H Pylori because my count is now very high and HP can lead to ulcers and to stomach cancer. I'm starting with a new doctor next month and feel certain she'll want to put me on antibiotics, especially as I've already tried the "natural" route. (Re Pepto: Research indicates it may not only reduce inflammation ~ as in MC ~ but also kill H Pylori.)
Do either (any) of you know of an MC-related reason that I should NOT take antibiotics? I seem to be challenged with two parallel issues; I need to address them both concurrently.
I'm totally gluten, dairy and soy free now, doing a food journal... and considering the EcoLab testing to streamline the process. I judge from Forum posts that the EcoLab reports might be a bit hard to decipher without (your) help. But is it safe to say you both fully endorse this lab and its results? I pretty desperately need to try to get insurance to subsidize the cost, but I understand a) insurance might refuse, and b) my "mainstream" doctor may balk.
Thank you. Thank you for your advice and wisdom.
For what it's worth, I may HAVE to address the H Pylori because my count is now very high and HP can lead to ulcers and to stomach cancer. I'm starting with a new doctor next month and feel certain she'll want to put me on antibiotics, especially as I've already tried the "natural" route. (Re Pepto: Research indicates it may not only reduce inflammation ~ as in MC ~ but also kill H Pylori.)
Do either (any) of you know of an MC-related reason that I should NOT take antibiotics? I seem to be challenged with two parallel issues; I need to address them both concurrently.
I'm totally gluten, dairy and soy free now, doing a food journal... and considering the EcoLab testing to streamline the process. I judge from Forum posts that the EcoLab reports might be a bit hard to decipher without (your) help. But is it safe to say you both fully endorse this lab and its results? I pretty desperately need to try to get insurance to subsidize the cost, but I understand a) insurance might refuse, and b) my "mainstream" doctor may balk.
Thank you. Thank you for your advice and wisdom.
Travel light, live light, spread the light, be the light.
Re: H Pylori
Virtually all antibiotics, except for the fluoroquinolone family (including Ciprofloxacin), and for some, azithromycin (Z-pak), cause most MC patients to have diarrhea, and usually an MC relapse. But sometimes we have to do what we have to do, in order to prevent a worse problem.
Regarding Enterolab: Yes, for most of us who have used their services, their tests have been money well spent, because the results can shorten recovery time and eliminate a lot of guesswork. If you call the lab, they can give you the insurance codes for the tests, and you can then call your insurance company to see if those tests are covered, and whether they will reimburse you if you have to order the tests yourself.
Tex
Regarding Enterolab: Yes, for most of us who have used their services, their tests have been money well spent, because the results can shorten recovery time and eliminate a lot of guesswork. If you call the lab, they can give you the insurance codes for the tests, and you can then call your insurance company to see if those tests are covered, and whether they will reimburse you if you have to order the tests yourself.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Re: H Pylori
Hey there,
A bit of a long time lurker here posting for the first time. I just wanted to share my experience with H. Pylori and LC.
When I first went to see the gastro for a colonoscopy/gastroscopy I did a breath test that detected H. Pylori. While I was waiting for my diagnosis the GI doc prescribed Nexium HP7, which has a combination of antibiotics. I spoke to the pharmacist and asked him whether it was essential for me to take the antibiotics, as I didn't want to nuke my gut fauna. Antibiotics are overprescribed in the medical community, and I didn't want to contribute towards that problem and take something unnecessarily. He that H. Pylori is a nasty bug and he strongly recommends I take the antibiotics.
The antibiotics really upset my stomach at the time, but serious, anti-biotic induced D, stopped after two days or so. Before I took the course of antibiotics my BMs and gas smelt awful – it used to wake my ex girlfriend up in the night. Truly terrible. Taking the course completely resolved this.
In my case it was hugely beneficial to take a course of antibiotics to eliminate H. Pylori, despite having LC. I also believe that the H. Pylori overgrowth probably contributed towards my LC in the first place, but this is just speculation.
I hope that helps!
A bit of a long time lurker here posting for the first time. I just wanted to share my experience with H. Pylori and LC.
When I first went to see the gastro for a colonoscopy/gastroscopy I did a breath test that detected H. Pylori. While I was waiting for my diagnosis the GI doc prescribed Nexium HP7, which has a combination of antibiotics. I spoke to the pharmacist and asked him whether it was essential for me to take the antibiotics, as I didn't want to nuke my gut fauna. Antibiotics are overprescribed in the medical community, and I didn't want to contribute towards that problem and take something unnecessarily. He that H. Pylori is a nasty bug and he strongly recommends I take the antibiotics.
The antibiotics really upset my stomach at the time, but serious, anti-biotic induced D, stopped after two days or so. Before I took the course of antibiotics my BMs and gas smelt awful – it used to wake my ex girlfriend up in the night. Truly terrible. Taking the course completely resolved this.
In my case it was hugely beneficial to take a course of antibiotics to eliminate H. Pylori, despite having LC. I also believe that the H. Pylori overgrowth probably contributed towards my LC in the first place, but this is just speculation.
I hope that helps!
Re: H Pylori
Many thanks. That's a very helpful post. And I agree that H. pylori is very tough to deal with. Any pathogen that can thrive in all that stomach acid has to be tough. So it's mighty encouraging to see that your treatment worked.
We appreciate you sharing your experience.
Tex
We appreciate you sharing your experience.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.