I have LC. I am on Budesonide. I like a couple of glasses of wine in the evening. Is this Ok? Please give some suggestions on this subject.
mjgarr
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Hi mjgarr,
Wine was not good for me for the first 2,5 years after my CC diagnosis, but after I joined this forum and got a better understanding of what MC is really about, I finally understood what I could eat/drink and what not. Wine contains sugar, and sugar is a big enemy.
But, little by little as my restrict diet and supplements kicked in, I could tolerate some organic wine. Of course, you know that there is a lot of sugar in wine, and therefore it is not well tolerated by people with MC.
Today I can have a couple of glasses with meals during weekends. And for some reason that I'm not aware of, I can tolerate organic white wine much better than organic read wine.
Lilja
Wine was not good for me for the first 2,5 years after my CC diagnosis, but after I joined this forum and got a better understanding of what MC is really about, I finally understood what I could eat/drink and what not. Wine contains sugar, and sugar is a big enemy.
But, little by little as my restrict diet and supplements kicked in, I could tolerate some organic wine. Of course, you know that there is a lot of sugar in wine, and therefore it is not well tolerated by people with MC.
Today I can have a couple of glasses with meals during weekends. And for some reason that I'm not aware of, I can tolerate organic white wine much better than organic read wine.
Lilja
Collagenous Colitis diagnosis in 2010
Psoriasis in 1973, symptom free in 2014
GF, CF and SF free since April, 2013
Psoriasis in 1973, symptom free in 2014
GF, CF and SF free since April, 2013
Hi MJ,
MC is typically associated with increased intestinal permeability (aka leaky gut). If your symptoms include significant joint aches (arthritis-like symptoms) and muscle pain, that indicates a leaky gut. The main causes of leaky gut are gluten, alcohol, and sugar (probably in that order). Because of that (and depending on what else is in our diet that can cause leaky gut) some of us are much more likely to not be able to tolerate alcoholic drinks than others. IOW, it depends on the extent of our intestinal permeability problem and how many antagonists are in our diet. With proper diet, leaky gut slowly resolves, but it can take many months to years, depending on the extent of the problem (and our diet).
The main problem with wines in most cases is the sulfite content. Many people are allergic to sulfites. For example, I have never been able to drink wine without developing a headache, so I am apparently allergic to sulfites and therefore I don't drink wine. Sulfites are a natural byproduct of fermentation, so all wines contain a certain level of sulfites. But some contain more than others because some processors add additional sulfites to wine as a preservative. It's claimed that white wines typically have a lower sulfite content than red wines, so Lilja, that might be why you are able to tolerate white wines better than red wines.
There's no such thing as a sulfite-free wine (despite some claims to the contrary) but some people find that if they seek out wines labeled as "Low-sulfite", they can more easily tolerate them.
Tex
MC is typically associated with increased intestinal permeability (aka leaky gut). If your symptoms include significant joint aches (arthritis-like symptoms) and muscle pain, that indicates a leaky gut. The main causes of leaky gut are gluten, alcohol, and sugar (probably in that order). Because of that (and depending on what else is in our diet that can cause leaky gut) some of us are much more likely to not be able to tolerate alcoholic drinks than others. IOW, it depends on the extent of our intestinal permeability problem and how many antagonists are in our diet. With proper diet, leaky gut slowly resolves, but it can take many months to years, depending on the extent of the problem (and our diet).
The main problem with wines in most cases is the sulfite content. Many people are allergic to sulfites. For example, I have never been able to drink wine without developing a headache, so I am apparently allergic to sulfites and therefore I don't drink wine. Sulfites are a natural byproduct of fermentation, so all wines contain a certain level of sulfites. But some contain more than others because some processors add additional sulfites to wine as a preservative. It's claimed that white wines typically have a lower sulfite content than red wines, so Lilja, that might be why you are able to tolerate white wines better than red wines.
There's no such thing as a sulfite-free wine (despite some claims to the contrary) but some people find that if they seek out wines labeled as "Low-sulfite", they can more easily tolerate them.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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MJ
alcohol on its own is inflammatory to the digestion system.
In the case of wine, this inflammatory reaction is heightened by the combo of sugar and sulfite as mentioned by Lilja and Tex.
Some people have found taking anti-histamines before consuming wines can reduce the reaction
my suggestion is, listen to your body,
in the early days of healing I would suggest to avoid it, down the track if you are feeling good then small amounts may be ok, if you are noticing symptoms then having some wine may not be the best option.
As to how much you can have, and can you have it every night - this tends to be an individual thing that each person has to gauge.
alcohol on its own is inflammatory to the digestion system.
In the case of wine, this inflammatory reaction is heightened by the combo of sugar and sulfite as mentioned by Lilja and Tex.
Some people have found taking anti-histamines before consuming wines can reduce the reaction
my suggestion is, listen to your body,
in the early days of healing I would suggest to avoid it, down the track if you are feeling good then small amounts may be ok, if you are noticing symptoms then having some wine may not be the best option.
As to how much you can have, and can you have it every night - this tends to be an individual thing that each person has to gauge.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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Hi, MJ. I'm 2.5 years post diagnosis and I have been meaning to try a glass of wine but haven't worked up the courage to do so yet. When I do I am going to try an organic white wine as Lilja does. When I try it I'll post the result.
Marcia
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Hard liquor especially martinis
I see where wine is problematic. I have avoided red wine bc of sulfites for decades. However, what the verdict on an occasional vodka dirty martini with olives?
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Restaurants
If I travel this summer, are there any tips for eating out that you can share? Any chain food haunts that serve gluten free meals?
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The usa members will chime in with chain food haunts that might be safe for your intolerances
my advice
- research before you go, use the web or ask them for a copy of the menu, look for the 'safest options' meal wise
- eat small meal before you go, so you only need small meal at the restaurant you may not be able to get safe entree and main,
- use a chef card. this gets the message direct to the chef and takes the pressure off the waitress http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=62
- look at reviews on gluten free blogs / allergy blogs for restaurants in your local area
- if histamine is an issue and you want to have wine, maybe have small dose of anti-histamines before hand to minimise impact
my advice
- research before you go, use the web or ask them for a copy of the menu, look for the 'safest options' meal wise
- eat small meal before you go, so you only need small meal at the restaurant you may not be able to get safe entree and main,
- use a chef card. this gets the message direct to the chef and takes the pressure off the waitress http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=62
- look at reviews on gluten free blogs / allergy blogs for restaurants in your local area
- if histamine is an issue and you want to have wine, maybe have small dose of anti-histamines before hand to minimise impact
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Here's a list of GF chains. http://glutenfreeguidehq.com/chain-restaurants/
Hello, D. I eat at the Ruby Tuesday in my hometown without any issues. The manager often brings it to my table and explains how it was prepared. I was just on vacation in FL and was able to eat dinner out every evening without any issues. If you stick with plain meat and potato you should be okay. If you are on Facebook there is a group "Dining Out with Food Allergies" that might be helpful to you. Red Robin is also pretty good. Red Lobster was terrible even though I ordered food that should have been safe. There was a few pieces of seasoned rice hiding under the steamed broccoli that was enough to make me sick. I read recently that someone had a good experience at Longhorn Steak House. There are no guarantees when eating out, we just have to hope for the best.
Marcia
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Re: Wine
Y'all have get the book titled "The Healthy Gluten-Free Life." 200 recipes Gluten-Free, Dairy-Free, Soy-Free & Egg-Free. The author is Tammy Credicott. My fave is Raspberry-Glazed Chicken. I use no-sugar, only sugar-free marmalade by Smuckers.
It contains coconut oil, balsamic vinegar, mustard, honey, red onion, 1/2 tsp salt and freshly ground pepper.
I met a nice girl - a personal trainer, who said her husband can't have pepper. That's a first. This was in Irvine, California. He was also a Type 1 diabetic.
Gotta go, my wrist is hurting and all I take are 2 Tylenol. I need a prescription for some pain medication. HURTING! Dorothy
It contains coconut oil, balsamic vinegar, mustard, honey, red onion, 1/2 tsp salt and freshly ground pepper.
I met a nice girl - a personal trainer, who said her husband can't have pepper. That's a first. This was in Irvine, California. He was also a Type 1 diabetic.
Gotta go, my wrist is hurting and all I take are 2 Tylenol. I need a prescription for some pain medication. HURTING! Dorothy