Some allergists have observed that if you have an intolerance for milk this will carry over to beef?
What's been your experience?
I am still in a total reaction mode, and am having trouble getting clear. I had a beef patty for breakfast, and then read this bit above. I am having a reaction at the moment...but then it's hard to know if it was what I ate this morning, yesterday or the day before...
Thanks, Celia
Question - connection between casein intolerance /beef
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Question - connection between casein intolerance /beef
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Celia,
I am extremely reactive to casein, but have no trouble with beef. Mater of fact, it is sometimes the only thing that makes me feel good.
I can understand the hypothetical link, but in reality, I don't think there's any truth to it.
Hope you feel better soon.
Love, Jean
I am extremely reactive to casein, but have no trouble with beef. Mater of fact, it is sometimes the only thing that makes me feel good.
I can understand the hypothetical link, but in reality, I don't think there's any truth to it.
Hope you feel better soon.
Love, Jean
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Hi Celia,
I'm dairy intolerant to the "max", but just like Jean, beef is sometimes the only safe thing to eat. Have you ever tried eating something really noticable (I don't know, like corn, or a charcoal tablet) so that when you passed it, you'd know what your average transit time is for food digestion? It might help you pinpoint what it was that made you sick. For instance, I know that mine is 30 hours, so that if I get sick Sunday morning, I think back to Friday night. What I eat might speed it up a little, or slow it down, but it's still a really reliable gauge.
Love, Marsha
I'm dairy intolerant to the "max", but just like Jean, beef is sometimes the only safe thing to eat. Have you ever tried eating something really noticable (I don't know, like corn, or a charcoal tablet) so that when you passed it, you'd know what your average transit time is for food digestion? It might help you pinpoint what it was that made you sick. For instance, I know that mine is 30 hours, so that if I get sick Sunday morning, I think back to Friday night. What I eat might speed it up a little, or slow it down, but it's still a really reliable gauge.
Love, Marsha
Thanks Jean and Marsha,
You input really helps. I'm just tired of trying things and getting sick, so having your experience really helps.
Marsha, I could check my transit time with beets for sure! But is it always the case that the reaction relates to the transit time? Sometimes I have reactions within an hour or two of eating a food. Othertimes, it seems longer.
Here's something I found online that speaks to the casein/beef question:
"Sensitivity to cow's milk does not usually presume sensitivity to beef or inhalation of cow dander. It is thought that there are unique heat-labile fractions in beef which may explain the differing clinical responses to raw and well-cooked beef in some milk-allergic patients."
The original source I read was speaking probably about classic milk allergy rather than just casein intolerance.
Thanks again, Celia
You input really helps. I'm just tired of trying things and getting sick, so having your experience really helps.
Marsha, I could check my transit time with beets for sure! But is it always the case that the reaction relates to the transit time? Sometimes I have reactions within an hour or two of eating a food. Othertimes, it seems longer.
Here's something I found online that speaks to the casein/beef question:
"Sensitivity to cow's milk does not usually presume sensitivity to beef or inhalation of cow dander. It is thought that there are unique heat-labile fractions in beef which may explain the differing clinical responses to raw and well-cooked beef in some milk-allergic patients."
The original source I read was speaking probably about classic milk allergy rather than just casein intolerance.
Thanks again, Celia
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Celia,
I think you are quite correct in your statement that food intolerance reactions do not necessarily correlate with transit time. I believe that about 30 hours is considered to be a typical transit time, and yet most food intolerance symptoms will usually begin to appear within about 6 hours, depending on the individual, and on the food involved, and probably other factors.
Up until last fall, after eating beef, I would experience minor bloating, beginning roughly three hours later. After another hour or so, I would begin to feel upper body aches and pains, (shoulders and neck), and it would invariably lead to a minor headache, which would last for roughly eight or ten hours. I never noticed any "D" episodes that I could blame on beef, however.
I don't recall ever coming across any evidence that it might be linked with a casein intolerance, anymore than it might be linked with any other intolerance. Of course, that doesn't mean that such evidence does not exist. I read the reference you quoted from, http://www.labspec.co.za/l_milk.htm, and I believe you are correct, they are referrng to classic histamine-based allergy symptoms, including anaphylaxis.
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I think you are quite correct in your statement that food intolerance reactions do not necessarily correlate with transit time. I believe that about 30 hours is considered to be a typical transit time, and yet most food intolerance symptoms will usually begin to appear within about 6 hours, depending on the individual, and on the food involved, and probably other factors.
Up until last fall, after eating beef, I would experience minor bloating, beginning roughly three hours later. After another hour or so, I would begin to feel upper body aches and pains, (shoulders and neck), and it would invariably lead to a minor headache, which would last for roughly eight or ten hours. I never noticed any "D" episodes that I could blame on beef, however.
I don't recall ever coming across any evidence that it might be linked with a casein intolerance, anymore than it might be linked with any other intolerance. Of course, that doesn't mean that such evidence does not exist. I read the reference you quoted from, http://www.labspec.co.za/l_milk.htm, and I believe you are correct, they are referrng to classic histamine-based allergy symptoms, including anaphylaxis.
Tex
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Dear Celia,
You're right. I thought about it right after I posted. "D" was the most obvious symptom to address first, when I started to try and pinpoint causes. And for me, that comes 30 hours later, when the offending foods hit the colon tissue (apparently). Dairy symptoms start within an hour of ingestion, and culminate 30 hours later. All my trigger foods cause inflammation of the colon/hemmeroids, sleeplessness, brain fog, lupus-like symptoms, including pleurosy, and elevated bloodwork. The good news is that I don't have any of those if I can control cravings. Kind of a big "if", from time to time.
Good luck with all your investigations . . .
Love, Marsha
You're right. I thought about it right after I posted. "D" was the most obvious symptom to address first, when I started to try and pinpoint causes. And for me, that comes 30 hours later, when the offending foods hit the colon tissue (apparently). Dairy symptoms start within an hour of ingestion, and culminate 30 hours later. All my trigger foods cause inflammation of the colon/hemmeroids, sleeplessness, brain fog, lupus-like symptoms, including pleurosy, and elevated bloodwork. The good news is that I don't have any of those if I can control cravings. Kind of a big "if", from time to time.
Good luck with all your investigations . . .
Love, Marsha