Hi All,
I've read about some of your battles and I know a lot of you have suffered so much...I feel bad complaining....but I'm sure my family has to be getting tired of me being sick...so you guys are the only ones who understand how miserable this stuff is.
I'm still having D and some nausia this morning. It's so frustrating because I'm eating the exact same thing I did when I was feeling good for 9 days. I've been gluten and intolerence free for a while now ...and I am feeling somewhat better....but not even close to being in a good functioning place. Do you think my thyroid problems could be contributing to me not getting better?
So, back to my original question...I know the gurgling is caused by gas but why does it increase when you feel the worst??
Thanks for listening to me whine.
Love,
Cristi
What causes the gurgling???
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I don't have much to say about the gurgling, except that with me it's more of a rumbling like a volcano getting ready to explode. It's gas, but why it's worse when you feel worse, I don't know. Tex will probably know.
I am just sorry that you are having such a tough time. And don't worry about complaining. That's what this place is for. Come here and whine and scream all you want. We are all in sympathy.
Lots of love,
Sally
I am just sorry that you are having such a tough time. And don't worry about complaining. That's what this place is for. Come here and whine and scream all you want. We are all in sympathy.
Lots of love,
Sally
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Hi Cristi,
I don't have a very sceientific explanation for that. In my own experience, my pain, nausea, and general discomfort usually occurred when I was puffed up like a toad frog, due to gas, and that's when the gurgling sounds were the loudest.
I'm just guessing here, but I suspect that the gurgling sounds are amplified at those times, because when liquids percolate through relatively large, hollow chambers, (pockets of gas), the sounds have nothing to soften them, as they would in a colapsed gut, (that is a gut not filled with gas), so they are naturally much louder. The effect is somewhat like a drum, where the sound is amplified because the skin of the drum is stretched tight, and the drum is hollow, with nothing in it to absorb sound. Those are my thoughts, anyway.
Love,
Tex
I don't have a very sceientific explanation for that. In my own experience, my pain, nausea, and general discomfort usually occurred when I was puffed up like a toad frog, due to gas, and that's when the gurgling sounds were the loudest.
I'm just guessing here, but I suspect that the gurgling sounds are amplified at those times, because when liquids percolate through relatively large, hollow chambers, (pockets of gas), the sounds have nothing to soften them, as they would in a colapsed gut, (that is a gut not filled with gas), so they are naturally much louder. The effect is somewhat like a drum, where the sound is amplified because the skin of the drum is stretched tight, and the drum is hollow, with nothing in it to absorb sound. Those are my thoughts, anyway.
Love,
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
That makes sense, so why do we produce more gas during bad times....I understand the mucous part ..protecting the colon wall...but what exactly causes the increase in gas production?? Is it the bacteria having a major party at our expence? The rare times I had D in the past I did not have gurglings and bloating. I think the pain I am having is due to gas pressure , but interestingly when I take my clonazepam...the pain decreases....and I do not think the med is decreasing gas...so I am wondering if it is intestinal muscle spasms. My abdomen does get huge hard knots in places during the bad times. I guess I am wondering if a gas reducing med would help or a muscle relaxent. Any ideas?
Love,
Cristi
Love,
Cristi
Cristi,
I never had any luck with things like Beano, for example, since most supplements are made for people with normal digestive systems, and we no longer have normal digestive systems, (at least not when we are reacting). IOW, they are based on enzymes designed to help digest hard-to-digest foods, such as beans, for example which cause problems presumably due to the lectins. Enzyme supplements are not likely to be much help during an MC reaction, because normal digestion is severely disrupted at such times.
Regarding the hard knots you mentioned. When I first went to my doctor with uncontrollable diarrhea, he palpated one of those hard knots and proclaimed that I had a large tumor in my colon. He sent me to a GI, who said the same thing, so he sent me to the ER to be prepped for a CT scan. By the time an intern there examined me, of course the hard knot was gone, and he became very anxious when he couldn't find the "tumor" that was supposed to be there. I told him to relax, because he was the only one who was right--there was no tumor, just gas. LOL.
Regarding the muscle spasms: many of us had occasions when our guts would seem to writhe around like a snake. No kidding, that's the way it seemed, at the time--world class gut spasms.
As far as gas production is concerned, I suppose the answer depends on whether you believe conventional wisdom, or the "virus theory". With conventional wisdom, the gas would be produced by the action of bacteria, and the effects of the immune system fighting them. With the "virus theory", I believe that the gas is produced by the fermentation of undigested or partially digested food. Whichever it actually is, it's definitely due to abnormal processes transpiring in the colon, and possibly in the lower part of the small intestine.
Love,
Tex
I never had any luck with things like Beano, for example, since most supplements are made for people with normal digestive systems, and we no longer have normal digestive systems, (at least not when we are reacting). IOW, they are based on enzymes designed to help digest hard-to-digest foods, such as beans, for example which cause problems presumably due to the lectins. Enzyme supplements are not likely to be much help during an MC reaction, because normal digestion is severely disrupted at such times.
Regarding the hard knots you mentioned. When I first went to my doctor with uncontrollable diarrhea, he palpated one of those hard knots and proclaimed that I had a large tumor in my colon. He sent me to a GI, who said the same thing, so he sent me to the ER to be prepped for a CT scan. By the time an intern there examined me, of course the hard knot was gone, and he became very anxious when he couldn't find the "tumor" that was supposed to be there. I told him to relax, because he was the only one who was right--there was no tumor, just gas. LOL.
Regarding the muscle spasms: many of us had occasions when our guts would seem to writhe around like a snake. No kidding, that's the way it seemed, at the time--world class gut spasms.
As far as gas production is concerned, I suppose the answer depends on whether you believe conventional wisdom, or the "virus theory". With conventional wisdom, the gas would be produced by the action of bacteria, and the effects of the immune system fighting them. With the "virus theory", I believe that the gas is produced by the fermentation of undigested or partially digested food. Whichever it actually is, it's definitely due to abnormal processes transpiring in the colon, and possibly in the lower part of the small intestine.
Love,
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Hiya Cristi--
U know I never wondered the *why* when we gurgle---I just thought it was all part of the *script* that runs with this ailment!!!
Funny, cus yesterday I was *gurgeling* like crazy--from one side of the tummy to the other---and this morning I was flying to the bathroom--
That should have been a warning to me that something was running *amuck*
Different as we all are, my tummy always stays like a bowl of jelly
AND CRISTI-----this is in reference to THYROID--
In April my GP detected some nodes on my thyroid---had biopsies/blood work-up--over active *mildly*~!~~
Anyway, my Endo did another blood work-up and this one came back--better?? so Endo. is calling this a *fluke*
I began to *wonder* what the *fluke* could be----and then
strikes-----I do yoga--and YOGA aids all functions of the body--even the THYROID!!!
So can this be the the *fluke* in my blood work??
I read an article acout this and spoke with my teacher,this morning, and she *nodded* and said *could be* due to certain movements that we do~~
Wouldnt that be a great *fluke*---
--must mention this to Endo. and I am 
in the hopes that I MIGHT not need any MEDS.,just to be checked every so often!!!
So Cristi, who knows---being we are all so different--
And as Sally said-----come here and sound off anytime---
As U, I felt the same----everyone of my friends were tired of hearing me
cus they DONT understand~~~~
Keep a
and keep asking
luve Barbara
U know I never wondered the *why* when we gurgle---I just thought it was all part of the *script* that runs with this ailment!!!
Funny, cus yesterday I was *gurgeling* like crazy--from one side of the tummy to the other---and this morning I was flying to the bathroom--
That should have been a warning to me that something was running *amuck*
Different as we all are, my tummy always stays like a bowl of jelly
AND CRISTI-----this is in reference to THYROID--
In April my GP detected some nodes on my thyroid---had biopsies/blood work-up--over active *mildly*~!~~
Anyway, my Endo did another blood work-up and this one came back--better?? so Endo. is calling this a *fluke*
I began to *wonder* what the *fluke* could be----and then
strikes-----I do yoga--and YOGA aids all functions of the body--even the THYROID!!!So can this be the the *fluke* in my blood work??
I read an article acout this and spoke with my teacher,this morning, and she *nodded* and said *could be* due to certain movements that we do~~
Wouldnt that be a great *fluke*---
--must mention this to Endo. and I am in the hopes that I MIGHT not need any MEDS.,just to be checked every so often!!!So Cristi, who knows---being we are all so different--
And as Sally said-----come here and sound off anytime---
As U, I felt the same----everyone of my friends were tired of hearing me
cus they DONT understand~~~~Keep a
and keep asking
luve Barbara
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This is the most likely cause. And I have found digestive enzymes to help me out a great deal. Beano for fiberous vegetables (broccoli, spinach, etc) didn't help worth a hoot for beans though. Plus I'm taking another kind for a few other things that humans can find hard to digest (I'll look up the name if folks are interested).tex wrote:I believe that the gas is produced by the fermentation of undigested or partially digested food.
For me I found the biggest culpret for gas/bloating in me to be fructose. I noticed that I started to get more and more gassy during a certain period of eating, and due to me writing down most everything I eat, I noticed that I was consuming more honey, which is very high in fructose (50% of the sugar) among other fruits that I was eating more of. Once I cut out the heavy fructose containing foods from my diet the gas and bloating both went away.
Hi Guys,
Tex, I know exactly what you mean about the snake. My gut gets these hard knots that move when I try to massage them. When I lie down they bulge up so far that you can see it. But the confusing thing for me is I do not pass as much gas now as I did before MC (which was a normal amount, I think). So if I am producing so much gas as to over fill my colon...why am I not passing much??It just feels to me that my colon is having spasms and the gurgling is the stuff trying to get through the tightly constricted parts.
Mike..if you have something that helps with this I would love the name...and which fruits are highest in fructose??
Another thought...my most painful times are when I am having D and the two hours after...when I get most of the knots and this is always in the morning hours. Well, I have got to be digesting food at other times during the day, but my pain centers around elimination and the two hour after. From late afternoon on I do not have the snake.Is this similar to the rest of the MCers? All I know is that I was virtually gurgle free those good 9 days.
Go Figure.
Love,
Cristi
Tex, I know exactly what you mean about the snake. My gut gets these hard knots that move when I try to massage them. When I lie down they bulge up so far that you can see it. But the confusing thing for me is I do not pass as much gas now as I did before MC (which was a normal amount, I think). So if I am producing so much gas as to over fill my colon...why am I not passing much??It just feels to me that my colon is having spasms and the gurgling is the stuff trying to get through the tightly constricted parts.
Mike..if you have something that helps with this I would love the name...and which fruits are highest in fructose??
Another thought...my most painful times are when I am having D and the two hours after...when I get most of the knots and this is always in the morning hours. Well, I have got to be digesting food at other times during the day, but my pain centers around elimination and the two hour after. From late afternoon on I do not have the snake.Is this similar to the rest of the MCers? All I know is that I was virtually gurgle free those good 9 days.
Go Figure.
Love,
Cristi
Cristi,
I think that the gas problem with MC is not so much that we produce large amounts of gas, (in fact, for all I know, we may even produce less), the problem is that we can't get rid of it, (that is, we can't get rid of enough of it, when we need to). At least, not until the reaction begins to subside.
As best I can recall, yes, my pain sort of followed the pattern that you described, except that most of us had D at various additional times during the day. I don't recall ever making a connection between "snakey gut" reactions, and BMs, but maybe I just wasn't paying close enough attention. Since I had BMs at various times, my gut often had all sorts of spasms at just about any time of day or night.
Love,
Tex
I think that the gas problem with MC is not so much that we produce large amounts of gas, (in fact, for all I know, we may even produce less), the problem is that we can't get rid of it, (that is, we can't get rid of enough of it, when we need to). At least, not until the reaction begins to subside.
As best I can recall, yes, my pain sort of followed the pattern that you described, except that most of us had D at various additional times during the day. I don't recall ever making a connection between "snakey gut" reactions, and BMs, but maybe I just wasn't paying close enough attention. Since I had BMs at various times, my gut often had all sorts of spasms at just about any time of day or night.
Love,
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Cristi,
Thanks. I can eat them without having any significant reactions, but I can still tell that they are having an effect on me. With dairy products especially, after I eat them, my digestion seems to kind of slow down, and I wonder if I'm going to get sick, but then the probem will disappear after a few hours. Corn has a simillar effect, but a little less noticeable.
Because of this, I eat them somewhat regularly, hoping to eventually get to the point where they will not be noticeable at all, but I don't eat them every day.
Love,
Tex
Thanks. I can eat them without having any significant reactions, but I can still tell that they are having an effect on me. With dairy products especially, after I eat them, my digestion seems to kind of slow down, and I wonder if I'm going to get sick, but then the probem will disappear after a few hours. Corn has a simillar effect, but a little less noticeable.
Because of this, I eat them somewhat regularly, hoping to eventually get to the point where they will not be noticeable at all, but I don't eat them every day.
Love,
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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I can't answer why, but a trick I learned from watching animal planet, is that rubbing the belly in a clockwise motion (I really don't know if direction matters here) helps aid in digestion. I saw this a long time ago on a program about massaging dog bellies and why dogs love to have their bellies rubbed. Is it true, I don't know. But if I feel queezy, or gassy or anything, if I rub my belly after a circle or two I usually produce a nice burp, which helps with the queeziness/nausea. This helps also after just plain over eating (think Thanksgiving dinner here).
Katy
Katy
I have been drinking San Pellegrino mineral water with the bubbles? For each glassful I burp at least two or three times. That seems to clear everything out. I would much rather burp than that other thing. And the gas never gets to my gut.
Rubbing your tummy DOES help!
Love,
Sally
Rubbing your tummy DOES help!
Love,
Sally
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