RE: Quaker Rice Cakes , REF.# 025765131A
Katy:
We do our best to provide accurate information so that you can make
informed choices about the products you purchase. Since so many of our
products contain grain ingredients, we cannot guarantee that any
particular product is entirely free of gluten except our Aunt Jemima Syrup.
The grains that we buy are handled and transported in bulk by our
suppliers. They are grown, stored, transported and milled with wheat, rye
and barley, among other grains. Rice and corn, which are primary
ingredients in Quaker Rice Cakes, is also grown, stored, transported and
milled with wheat, rye and barley, among other grains. Therefore our
products may contain trace amounts of other grains that may be grown,
harvested or stored with other grains.
We're sorry to disappoint you and hope this information clarifies your
concerns.
Rashana
Quaker Consumer Response
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Are your rice cakes (particularly the flavored kinds) gluten free?
While on the Subject of manufacturer responses
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While on the Subject of manufacturer responses
How much does this apply to other rice and corn products?
Katy
IMHO the response you received is so typical that it might be considered the norm. We live in a society where the manufactured food chain is infused with gluten . You can cut down on it but not eliminate it if you continue to eat commercial products. All the more reason to eliminate processed food and all grains in that their is little or no way to know if they have been contaminated with gluten. In fact I had to ask why I ever expected it since so large a part of the population knowns nothing about it and the manufactures can't sell it since it is not filled with sugar, bad fats and additives to make it last for months if not years on the shelf, just to make it taste good.
So what do you eat?????
Joanna posted this list that could keep us busy for the next fifty years learing how to use them in different combinations
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3822
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Matthew
IMHO the response you received is so typical that it might be considered the norm. We live in a society where the manufactured food chain is infused with gluten . You can cut down on it but not eliminate it if you continue to eat commercial products. All the more reason to eliminate processed food and all grains in that their is little or no way to know if they have been contaminated with gluten. In fact I had to ask why I ever expected it since so large a part of the population knowns nothing about it and the manufactures can't sell it since it is not filled with sugar, bad fats and additives to make it last for months if not years on the shelf, just to make it taste good.
So what do you eat?????
Joanna posted this list that could keep us busy for the next fifty years learing how to use them in different combinations
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3822
Love
Matthew
Katy,
As one who buys a lot of bulk grain from commercial grain elevators, I have to confirm what Matthew says. For the larger processors especially, who have to buy from countless sources, in order to get the huge quantitiies that they need, purity is a matter of degree.
The highest grade for grains in the U. S. is Number 1, which allows up to 2% cracked grain or foreign material. Foreign material includes things like other grains. 2% amounts to a very substantial amount, as far as food intolerances are concerned. IOW, when you buy number 1 corn, (or rice, for example), it might possibly contain as much as 2% wheat or oats, and still be considered to be number 1 corn, (or rice). Processors upgrade grains by cleaning them, of course, but no cleaning process gives perfect results.
Obviously, some of the smaller processors can control conditions more closely, but there are many opportunities where mistakes can sneak in. Wheat is much harder to remove from rice, than it is from corn, also. In fact, I'm not aware of a practical way to do it, since they are so similarily sized, and have similar specific gravities. Therefore, it has to be kept out, in the first place. This is not extremely difficult to do, since rice is not normally grown in areas where wheat is grown, so it's likely to be pure in the original storage facility. What happens after that, depends on quality control, and that's where the larger processors run into difficulties, due to the multi-level shipping and handling.
Tex
As one who buys a lot of bulk grain from commercial grain elevators, I have to confirm what Matthew says. For the larger processors especially, who have to buy from countless sources, in order to get the huge quantitiies that they need, purity is a matter of degree.
The highest grade for grains in the U. S. is Number 1, which allows up to 2% cracked grain or foreign material. Foreign material includes things like other grains. 2% amounts to a very substantial amount, as far as food intolerances are concerned. IOW, when you buy number 1 corn, (or rice, for example), it might possibly contain as much as 2% wheat or oats, and still be considered to be number 1 corn, (or rice). Processors upgrade grains by cleaning them, of course, but no cleaning process gives perfect results.
Obviously, some of the smaller processors can control conditions more closely, but there are many opportunities where mistakes can sneak in. Wheat is much harder to remove from rice, than it is from corn, also. In fact, I'm not aware of a practical way to do it, since they are so similarily sized, and have similar specific gravities. Therefore, it has to be kept out, in the first place. This is not extremely difficult to do, since rice is not normally grown in areas where wheat is grown, so it's likely to be pure in the original storage facility. What happens after that, depends on quality control, and that's where the larger processors run into difficulties, due to the multi-level shipping and handling.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Is this why some of us suspect sensitivities to corn or rice? Is it just that they are the ones who are super sensitive to those parts per million?
So how is the normal consumer supposed to purchase rice for use? Is this saying a box of uncle ben;s is contaminated?
I'm sure you've all talked about this and I've just been too busy (and too bad about my diet) recently to take it all in. But I'm making an extra effort to be good because I realize that one of the symptoms I get is extra crabbiness. And that just isn't fair to Geoff and the kids (never mind poor Tigger who has a meltdown if he doesn't get 300 thousand ear skritches a day!).
Anyway, for now, I think I will continue to eat them for my own "gf" diet because I don't seem to have a problem and I'm hard up for gf, easy food (I think it is harder up here in the country...I don't have a whole foods, or other similar store, and the health food store is in the next town over and only open until 5...very hard for a working person to get there).
Katy
So how is the normal consumer supposed to purchase rice for use? Is this saying a box of uncle ben;s is contaminated?
I'm sure you've all talked about this and I've just been too busy (and too bad about my diet) recently to take it all in. But I'm making an extra effort to be good because I realize that one of the symptoms I get is extra crabbiness. And that just isn't fair to Geoff and the kids (never mind poor Tigger who has a meltdown if he doesn't get 300 thousand ear skritches a day!).
Anyway, for now, I think I will continue to eat them for my own "gf" diet because I don't seem to have a problem and I'm hard up for gf, easy food (I think it is harder up here in the country...I don't have a whole foods, or other similar store, and the health food store is in the next town over and only open until 5...very hard for a working person to get there).
Katy
That might possibly be the case, but for the most part, I think that the products are relatively pure, especially when they're from a company that specializes in products made from a particular grain. With rice, for example, if there were a kernel of wheat in a box of whole rice, it would stick out like a sore thumb. All you have to do is keep your eyes open, and stay alert, and you can easily catch any mistakes that might have been made in the cleaning process.Is this why some of us suspect sensitivities to corn or rice? Is it just that they are the ones who are super sensitive to those parts per million?
Personally, I've never seen anything foreign in a retail package of rice, but , of course, anything is possible. It's the highly processed foods, where grains are no longer whole, where the risk lies, because any mistakes will be covered by the milling process. Most grains appear pretty similar after milling, because most types of starch look pretty much alike. IOW, if you grind one grain of wheat along with 1000 grains of corn, (or 10, for that matter), you're not going to be able to see the wheat.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Katy
In the first six months of my recovery using the diet I really had to face reality. Even though Whole Foods (Whole Paycheck) and Wild Oats ( Wild Bank Notes) are in walking distance I had to find another way. I simply could not afford such exorbitant prices. I had to find a way that would work for me. Well... I finally did ..........when I quit making excuses.
Years later 99% of my food comes from my local Safeway. Yes it is totally Gluten free, Grain Free, Soy free, Additive free, Corn free, Hydrogenated oil free and to a certain degree Organic. I only go to the heath food store when I need Nuts , Redmond Real Salt and recently a bag of Buckwheat flour. It is a great addition to go to the farmers markets this time of year.
It makes me laugh. One of my earliest exchanges with Wayne years ago was about how changes could be made if you wanted it badly enough or if you wanted it well enough. A fun discourse on semantics. In the end either way works no matter what you call it.
Don't’ let living in the middle of nowhere be an obstacle. We all do. Metaphorically.
Love
Matthew
In the first six months of my recovery using the diet I really had to face reality. Even though Whole Foods (Whole Paycheck) and Wild Oats ( Wild Bank Notes) are in walking distance I had to find another way. I simply could not afford such exorbitant prices. I had to find a way that would work for me. Well... I finally did ..........when I quit making excuses.
Years later 99% of my food comes from my local Safeway. Yes it is totally Gluten free, Grain Free, Soy free, Additive free, Corn free, Hydrogenated oil free and to a certain degree Organic. I only go to the heath food store when I need Nuts , Redmond Real Salt and recently a bag of Buckwheat flour. It is a great addition to go to the farmers markets this time of year.
It makes me laugh. One of my earliest exchanges with Wayne years ago was about how changes could be made if you wanted it badly enough or if you wanted it well enough. A fun discourse on semantics. In the end either way works no matter what you call it.
Don't’ let living in the middle of nowhere be an obstacle. We all do. Metaphorically.
Love
Matthew
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Matthew, you rock. 
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Thanks Matthew,
When you buy products from your local grocery, do you get confirmation from manufacturers? Or go with what makes you feel okay? I've been using the new labeling of allergens and really avoiding the wheat ones. If its flavoring or coloring, I usually don't worry too much about it, if the ingredient list has other obvious things I avoid it (I think I even reacted to the two rice crispy bars I had yesterday...I know Rice Crispies has malt extract as do most cereals, and yet the double thick ones with Cocoa Crispies and M&Ms that our Admin Assistant makes are to die for!...Okay, so I have a sweet tooth).
I think I will continue to eat the rice cakes even though the manufacturer can't guarentee them being gf. With hummus or a little deli meat, they make a reasonably good lunch.
I am trying really hard not to make excuses. And am in a new push not to do so. I get my bread at the health food store, can get Enviro kids cereal and Amy's gf pizza at my local grocery (where we don't shop normally because its too expensive because its the only game in town).
Well, I really must get to work now (well, doing work...I'm physically AT work but just came back from a field job...my feet and jeans are soaked up to the knees from walking through tall grass - BLECH).
Katy
When you buy products from your local grocery, do you get confirmation from manufacturers? Or go with what makes you feel okay? I've been using the new labeling of allergens and really avoiding the wheat ones. If its flavoring or coloring, I usually don't worry too much about it, if the ingredient list has other obvious things I avoid it (I think I even reacted to the two rice crispy bars I had yesterday...I know Rice Crispies has malt extract as do most cereals, and yet the double thick ones with Cocoa Crispies and M&Ms that our Admin Assistant makes are to die for!...Okay, so I have a sweet tooth).
I think I will continue to eat the rice cakes even though the manufacturer can't guarentee them being gf. With hummus or a little deli meat, they make a reasonably good lunch.
I am trying really hard not to make excuses. And am in a new push not to do so. I get my bread at the health food store, can get Enviro kids cereal and Amy's gf pizza at my local grocery (where we don't shop normally because its too expensive because its the only game in town).
Well, I really must get to work now (well, doing work...I'm physically AT work but just came back from a field job...my feet and jeans are soaked up to the knees from walking through tall grass - BLECH).
Katy
Katy,
A lot of people trust Lundberg Family Farms rice cakes, since they specialize in rice, and apparently produce their own. They're avilable in most HF stores, and many of the larger grocery stores, and come in all sorts of flavors:
http://www.lundberg.com/info/glutenfree.shtml
If you like breakfast cereals, some types that are GF and are commonly available in grocery stores, are Count Chocula, Cocoa Pebbles, and Fruity Pebbles. Corn Pops are GF also, if you don't have a problem with corn.
By the way, does walking through wet grass cause you any skin problems? I get a rash that itches madly, anytime I walk through tall wet grass. Because of that, I always wear Gortex lined shoes or boots, and I add waterproof gaiters, if I have to walk through tall wet grass. Tall dry grass is a problem also, but not nearly as bad as wet grass.
Tex
A lot of people trust Lundberg Family Farms rice cakes, since they specialize in rice, and apparently produce their own. They're avilable in most HF stores, and many of the larger grocery stores, and come in all sorts of flavors:
http://www.lundberg.com/info/glutenfree.shtml
If you like breakfast cereals, some types that are GF and are commonly available in grocery stores, are Count Chocula, Cocoa Pebbles, and Fruity Pebbles. Corn Pops are GF also, if you don't have a problem with corn.
By the way, does walking through wet grass cause you any skin problems? I get a rash that itches madly, anytime I walk through tall wet grass. Because of that, I always wear Gortex lined shoes or boots, and I add waterproof gaiters, if I have to walk through tall wet grass. Tall dry grass is a problem also, but not nearly as bad as wet grass.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Wayne,
What is the deal with the grass (wet or dry)? I break out in hives when walking, standing, mowing, etc.? I just figured it was a grass allergy!
Love,
Mars
What is the deal with the grass (wet or dry)? I break out in hives when walking, standing, mowing, etc.? I just figured it was a grass allergy!
Love,
Mars
"Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful." -- Buddha
Katy
I have little or no concern about what rice cakes contain or any other manufactured food contains. What ? you say????????. In those first six months I was spending so much time fruitlessly looking for foods that would agree with me and coming home empty handed and hungry that I gave up. Giving up is always a good thing with me because that is when my best answers appear. Both in work and diet.
Bananas , Celery, Summer squash, Winter Squash, Onions, Garlic, Apples, Berries, Artichokes, Asparagus, Cauliflower, Carrots Mushrooms, Apricots, Melons Plums, Nuts, Natural meats, Root vegetables............ I could fill a whole page with foods that you can get at your local grocery store that their is no reason to have to ask a manufacturer if they contain gluten and for the most part additives. They just don't. If you look back over the research that so many have done here it is a huge step above the SAD grain and sugar filled diet that so many obese, pre diabetic Americans eat.
I had to quit fighting what I had been brainwashed into thinking I had to eat by the food pyramid and eating what worked for me. YOWSA , it turns out it is packed with the very best of nutrition.
Love
Matthew
I have little or no concern about what rice cakes contain or any other manufactured food contains. What ? you say????????. In those first six months I was spending so much time fruitlessly looking for foods that would agree with me and coming home empty handed and hungry that I gave up. Giving up is always a good thing with me because that is when my best answers appear. Both in work and diet.
Bananas , Celery, Summer squash, Winter Squash, Onions, Garlic, Apples, Berries, Artichokes, Asparagus, Cauliflower, Carrots Mushrooms, Apricots, Melons Plums, Nuts, Natural meats, Root vegetables............ I could fill a whole page with foods that you can get at your local grocery store that their is no reason to have to ask a manufacturer if they contain gluten and for the most part additives. They just don't. If you look back over the research that so many have done here it is a huge step above the SAD grain and sugar filled diet that so many obese, pre diabetic Americans eat.
I had to quit fighting what I had been brainwashed into thinking I had to eat by the food pyramid and eating what worked for me. YOWSA , it turns out it is packed with the very best of nutrition.
Love
Matthew
Mars,
I have no idea what the root cause of the grass problem is, but I've had it all my life. I've even done quick searches on the net, but everyone there seems to want to talk about grass pollen, (respiratory problems), and that doesn't appear to have anything to do with it. It affects me any time of the year.
I never wear shorts, and I always wear long-sleeve shirts, because my arms are sensitive to the same problem. It doesn't necessarily have to be grass, either. Virtually any plant, (other than the leaves on trees), that makes skin contact will cause a severe itching problem.
Love,
Tex
I have no idea what the root cause of the grass problem is, but I've had it all my life. I've even done quick searches on the net, but everyone there seems to want to talk about grass pollen, (respiratory problems), and that doesn't appear to have anything to do with it. It affects me any time of the year.
I never wear shorts, and I always wear long-sleeve shirts, because my arms are sensitive to the same problem. It doesn't necessarily have to be grass, either. Virtually any plant, (other than the leaves on trees), that makes skin contact will cause a severe itching problem.
Love,
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Now that the "itching" discussion includes more than grass, I'll chime in and say there are plants that do that to me also. My husband plants several of them in the vegetable garden!! Tomatoes, squash, okra immediately come to mind but I know there are more.
Love, Shirley
Love, Shirley
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber"
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Yep. One touch from squash or okra, and if I don't promptly wash the area thoroughly, I'll be itching like mad. Things like tomatoes give me a little more time before I have to wash.
Love,
Tex
Love,
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.