A few days ago, someone asked how a casein reaction usually proceedes. Since I just had one, I thought I'd describe it while it's still fresh on my mind. I'm just lightly to moderately sensitive to casein, so keep that in mind. Many here are much more sensitive to it.
The product that caused the problem was Kozy Shack Old Fashioned Tapioca Pudding. Ingredients: milk, sugar, tapioca, egg whites, modified tapioca starch, natural vanilla flavor with other natural flavors, salt, annatto, (natural color). It's marked Gluten Free, so the natural flavors should be safe. It was absolutely delicious, by the way. Anyway, I'm assuming that it was the casein that caused the reaction.
OK, within an hour after eating it, I noticed significant bloating - bad enough that I had to loosen the top button on my Levis' to ease the pressure. That means that the reaction began while the casein was still in my stomach, which is significant. About an hour later, I had a light to moderate headache, and mild diarrhea, (not explosive, just light diarrhea). Four hours after the reaction began, I felt pretty much normal again - the bloating, headache, and D, were all gone. That's also interesting, because in 4 hours, it normally would have barely had time to empty completely out of my stomach, and certainly wouldn't have progressed very far down into my small intestine, so all this occurred long before any of it should have passed into my colon.
Since the D was relatively low volume, I don't believe that any rapid transit was involved, because if it had triggered a purging of all of the contents of my colon which were ahead of it, the volume would have been much, much greater. IOW, I believe that the reaction ended before the casein ever reached the colon, and the enteric nervous system simply ordered the colon to initiate a small preliminary purging action, just as a routine part of a reaction. This tells me that the triggering response occurs pretty far up the digestive tract, (in my case, at least). In fact it appears that the whole reaction may have run it's course, while the casein was still in my stomach, or barely past it.
The reacton began about 2 pm this afternoon, it's now 10 pm, and I've been feeling great for at least 5 hours, so I doubt that anything else will come of it. Frankly, I've never paid that much attention to the timing of various stages of a reaction before, so it kind of surprises me that this all played out in such a small amount of time.
When one has active MC, the reactions seem to last for days. When one is in remission, though, apparently the reactions can be quite short, (since the GI tract is not already inflammed, when the reaction begins). I find this very interesting. Of course, YMMV, (Your Milage May Vary).
Tex
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Casein Reaction
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Hi Tex,
Interesting observations!
Do you remember reading any posts or articles or anything about someone who'd gone off their allergens, and then later, with a re-introduction, experienced the "higher- up-the-gut" symptoms that they'd only had in the colon before? I don't think I'm making this up! Ha!
I'm sure you've already thought of this, but a while back we discussed lactose reactions, and it seemed that, for most folks, they'd occur within a couple of hours of ingestion. Just thought I'd throw that out for what it's worth.
By the way, do you plan on eating any more of the pudding? I used to eat that alot before I found out about the dairy problem, back when I was just gluten free. We sure do go through a lot of changes when we are MI's, don't we?
I look at it this way, some of those things I might, otherwise have never tried, had I found out about all the allergens at the same time, but then I'd have been healthier quicker, I suppose.
Yours, Luce
Interesting observations!
Do you remember reading any posts or articles or anything about someone who'd gone off their allergens, and then later, with a re-introduction, experienced the "higher- up-the-gut" symptoms that they'd only had in the colon before? I don't think I'm making this up! Ha!
I'm sure you've already thought of this, but a while back we discussed lactose reactions, and it seemed that, for most folks, they'd occur within a couple of hours of ingestion. Just thought I'd throw that out for what it's worth.
By the way, do you plan on eating any more of the pudding? I used to eat that alot before I found out about the dairy problem, back when I was just gluten free. We sure do go through a lot of changes when we are MI's, don't we?
I look at it this way, some of those things I might, otherwise have never tried, had I found out about all the allergens at the same time, but then I'd have been healthier quicker, I suppose.
Yours, Luce
Luce,
No, I don't recall those earlier posts, but I may have just overlooked them.
It's possible that I may be lactose intolerant, because I've never had a separate lactose test. Back when I was testing dairy products, (several years ago), if I took lactase pills, or drank lactose free milk, I still got sick, which told me that I was casein intolerant, and made the question of lactose intolerance a moot point, (at the time, anyway).
As to whether or not I plan to eat any more of the pudding - probably not. It seems a shame to throw it away, so I'll see if someone else around here wants it. Otherwise, it will go out of date on September 17th, anyway.
Tex
No, I don't recall those earlier posts, but I may have just overlooked them.
It's possible that I may be lactose intolerant, because I've never had a separate lactose test. Back when I was testing dairy products, (several years ago), if I took lactase pills, or drank lactose free milk, I still got sick, which told me that I was casein intolerant, and made the question of lactose intolerance a moot point, (at the time, anyway).
As to whether or not I plan to eat any more of the pudding - probably not. It seems a shame to throw it away, so I'll see if someone else around here wants it. Otherwise, it will go out of date on September 17th, anyway.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hiya Tex. Not that you want to experince this again, but it might be interesting (ha ha) to try injesting some pure casein. You can get the stuff as a supplement. Just to make sure it's the casein. Did you ever get tested via Enterolab?
The reason I wonder, is that I'm wondering if it's the annatto (natural coloring). I looked up this ingredient at one point and saw that it can case D in some folks. And I noticed that I got D when injesting a cheese, it could be something else in the cheese, but it was supposed to be low in lactose so I could rule that out and I've had a drink of lactaid milk had no reaction, and I've injested Milk Protein Isolate (casein and whey) and had no reaction. So that leaves some ingredient and lactose as the likely suspects. Though given my reaction time 8 hours til D, and D for several hours it does point towards lactose.
It sounds like you've got it down, just mainly a curiosity about annatto.
The reason I wonder, is that I'm wondering if it's the annatto (natural coloring). I looked up this ingredient at one point and saw that it can case D in some folks. And I noticed that I got D when injesting a cheese, it could be something else in the cheese, but it was supposed to be low in lactose so I could rule that out and I've had a drink of lactaid milk had no reaction, and I've injested Milk Protein Isolate (casein and whey) and had no reaction. So that leaves some ingredient and lactose as the likely suspects. Though given my reaction time 8 hours til D, and D for several hours it does point towards lactose.
It sounds like you've got it down, just mainly a curiosity about annatto.
Mike,
I've had several tests done at Enterolab, but not for casein. When I did the other tests, I had tested myself with lactose free dairy products, and still reacted, so I just assumed that I was casein intolerant.
You may be right about the annatto. I can find it in a couple of ban lists, such as:
http://www.co-op.co.uk/corporate/index. ... eid_grp=27
which says:
and
http://www.afic.com.au/2006/Avoid%20The ... itives.htm
which says:
Thanks,
Tex
I've had several tests done at Enterolab, but not for casein. When I did the other tests, I had tested myself with lactose free dairy products, and still reacted, so I just assumed that I was casein intolerant.
You may be right about the annatto. I can find it in a couple of ban lists, such as:
http://www.co-op.co.uk/corporate/index. ... eid_grp=27
which says:
There are two colours which we would like to ban, but have very specific uses, for example the only colour which can be used in red cheeses is Annatto. The Colours allowable with Specific Permission are:
* Vegetable Carbon/Carbon Black (E153)
* Annatto/Bixin/Norbixin (E160b)
and
http://www.afic.com.au/2006/Avoid%20The ... itives.htm
which says:
I may have to do some more testing on this.#E160(b) Annatto (Arnatto, Annato), bixin, norbixin.
A yellow, peach or red vegetable dye obtained from the seed coat of the fruit of the Annatto tree, Bixa orellana. May be either oil-soluble or water soluble and is stable in processing, baking and brine.
Mechanical abrasion using food grade vegetable oil produces oil-soluble Annatto. Bixin can then extracted by solvents such as acetone, hexane or methanol, with further processing with an aqueous alkali producing Norbixin. Water soluble Annatto, containing both Norbixin and Bixin which can then be extracted, is obtained by agitation with an aqueous alkali.
Currently being used in place of the highly allergenic tartrazine, E102, although the Hyperactive Children's Support Group believe there is a possibility of an allergic reaction to Annatto.
Thanks,
Tex
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Hi! Is casein in butter as well? I have had a headache for two days and been bloated and have eaten butter the last three days without a thought that that might be causing it and come to think of it had a small flare on Weds Love Oma
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This is in response to your question about anyone else noticing a shorter, milder reaction time when reintroducing intolerances.
Count me as one. Potato chips (at least I think that's what did it to me) Normally they should have put me down for the count, and right at 30 hours later. But I ate some, and they got me about 22 hours later, and the reaction was milder than it should have been. It struck me at the time, that something good might be happening to my digestion.
Love, Marsha
Count me as one. Potato chips (at least I think that's what did it to me) Normally they should have put me down for the count, and right at 30 hours later. But I ate some, and they got me about 22 hours later, and the reaction was milder than it should have been. It struck me at the time, that something good might be happening to my digestion.
Love, Marsha
Hi Luce,
I haven't eaten any commercial Mexican food since going GF. Most of it is covered with cheese, and carries a risk of containing wheat flour, and/or may be contaminated with traces of wheat flour.
Also, for several years I couldn't eat corn. I can eat it now, but haven't worked up the nerve to try any mexican food again, other than some tamales made by a neighbor, whom I know I can trust to keep them GF.
Tex
I haven't eaten any commercial Mexican food since going GF. Most of it is covered with cheese, and carries a risk of containing wheat flour, and/or may be contaminated with traces of wheat flour.
Also, for several years I couldn't eat corn. I can eat it now, but haven't worked up the nerve to try any mexican food again, other than some tamales made by a neighbor, whom I know I can trust to keep them GF.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.