B-12

Mars · Post by **Mars** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:47 am

Hi all,

I started my B-12 SL today - We'll see how it goes. I haven't been taking them for awhile so we'll see if it helps. Thanks all for the suggestion.

Here's what it says on the bottle: Natural Factors, B-12; Methylcobalamin, Biologically active form of B-12; 1000 Mcg, sublingual tablets. I started with two tablets today.

Another issue that has cropped up (again) is hives. I am breaking out in hives (from nerves I suspect) again. I went through that quite a few years ago. Docs found no reason nor solution then. I'm assuming that they are from internal turmoil from stress. Unfortunately, I don't see the stress reducing any time soon, neither here at home or at work.

Talk to you soon,
Mars

Post by **tex** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:45 am

I hope the B12 helps. I'm sure you've probably looked at this a thousand times already, but the key probably lies with one of these triggers:

Individuals with recurrent episodes of hives should examine their diets for the foods that most commonly cause repeated attacks such as; peanuts, eggs, beans, chocolate, strawberries, tomatoes, spices, citrus fruits, corn, shellfish and pork. Fresh foods cause hives more frequently than cooked foods. Certain food additives and preservatives, such as monosodium glutamate (MSG) readily trigger repeated attacks of hives.

Aspirin, penicillin, sulfa drugs, tetracycline and codeine are the most common hive inducing drugs, though any drug, even those which have been taken over long periods of time without previous problems may be the culprit. Hives can also develop due to physical stress, sunlight, cold and physical pressure.

Approximately 15% of people in the United States are atopic, meaning they have an inherited predisposition to become allergic to things such as ragweed, grass, pollen, molds, animal hair and dust. These allergies are most commonly manifested in asthma, hay fever, migraine headaches, eczema and hives. Chronic sufferers who suspect allergic reactions to be their cause of hives can determine the cause by submitting to a scratch test.

Chronic conditions may also be caused by a low-grade infection, such as a fungal infection of the feet, yeast infections, bladder or kidney infections, a tooth abscess or a blocked sinus. Abnormal thyroid activity is the cause of chronic hives in one out of 400 people; a simple blood test can determine whether thyroid is the culprit.

This comes from:

http://www.allergyconsumerreview.com/hives-allergy.html

I note that this doctor doesn't mention stress as a cause for hives, but I would assume that stress might contribute to the problem.

I hope you can find some relief soon.

Love,
Tex

Mars · Post by **Mars** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:29 am

The problem with mine is that I have them first thing in the morning so I wouldn't contribute them to an allergy. I wake with a "trembling" stomach and then within an hour the hives are there.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Thanks for the link and informtion though.

Love,
Mars

cludwig · Post by **cludwig** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:23 am

Hi Mars,

I hope the B-12 helps as well. I don't have hives but my reaction to eating almonds occurs in the morning as well..with itchy bumps. I hope the hives settle down soon.

Love,
Cristi

harvest_table · Post by **harvest_table** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:59 am

Have you noticed any significant improvements from the B12 Mars?

This has likely already been discussed here but I've just taken notice of the B12/sulfite connection and thought it's worth a mention since many of us have problems with sulfites. I found this quote from a gals blog who has significant food intolerences.

Looks like taking B12 can reduce sulfite sensitivity.

B12 and sulfites

Fact of the day: B12 can reduce sulfite sensitivity. It does this by binding to sulfites and clearing them from the body (it turns into sulfitocobalamin). Apparently this has been show in studies to be effective in treating sulfite induced asthma, urticaria, contact dermatitis and atopic dermatitis. That would explain a few things!

This is great, however, it does not help convert sulphites to sulphates, which is what we need to do to get the PST enzyme back up and running.

I've also read that nitrites destroy the B12 and folate coenzymes. Therefore one should not attempt to get one's daily B12 requirements from processed meats!

Check out her blog- lot's of interesting avenues to explore.
http://wisewitch.blogspot.com/2006/09/b ... fites.html

Love,
Joanna

artteacher · Post by **artteacher** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:20 pm

Dear Joanna,

The researcher has struck again! Thank you so much for the information. I REALLY appreciate it.

Love, Marsha

starfire · Post by **starfire** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:34 am

Joanna, on the page about the B12, I clicked on this link - scary - I'm quite sure I've got it -- LOL

http://wisewitch.blogspot.com/2006/08/i ... esity.html

Post by **tex** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:56 am

Shirley,

You may be on to something. That's exactly what happened to me, following my surgery, last November. In fact, I caught a mild virus about the second day after my surgery, while I was still in the hospital, and ever since then, I gain weight like mad, if I don't watch my diet, and work hard. I never had a weight problem previously.

If I cut potatoes and corn out of my meat, potatoes, and corn diet, that's not gonna leave much, is it. LOL.

Tex

starfire · Post by **starfire** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:30 pm

Oh Man, I figured I was WAY off base........probably am for me.........however, if you think you might have it.........well maybe, who knows??

It does kinda make sense, doesn't it. I admit I didn't read the entire article. Is there a way to get rid of the problem??

Love, Shirley

Post by **tex** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:08 pm

Hi Shirley,

According to the article, the particular bacteria that the research implicated, live only off polysaccharides, (starches), so theoretically at least, cutting out starches should prevent future weight gain, (though it may not get rid of existing fat).

I reckon I'm gonna have to try that, (but I think I'll wait until the busy season is past with my business, because I can't afford to be short on energy right now).

Love,
Tex

starfire · Post by **starfire** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:39 am

Even fruits & veggies have some carbs so I wonder if a meat only diet would kill them off and, if so, how long it would it take. I don't think I could eat a meat only diet for very long. Eggs would work too, but still, I don't think I could do it for long.

Love, Shirley

Post by **tex** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:59 am

Hi Shirley,

I'm guessing your post was supposed to be a response to the "B-12" topic, but it somehow wound up here. If you want to move it to the other topic, (along with this post from me), just click on the "Split this topic" icon, (fourth icon from the left, toward the lower left corner of this page, and follow the options for moving it/them to the topic where you want them. If you would rather I do it, just let me know. Or, if it was supposed to be here, then never mind, and please forgive me for guessing wrong.

I'm not much of a food chemist, but if I understand it correctly, not all carbs are starches, so there should be some veggies that could be eaten, and, I suppose, fruits, berries, etc., but I could be wrong.

I tried a no-carb diet about a year and a half ago, but I didn't last but a few days before ketosis set in, and I gave it up because of the cruddy feeling.

Do you believe this claim?

Q. Are carbs or starches fattening?

No! Starches are not fattening and need not be limited when you are dieting or trying to lose weight.

This is from:

http://www.annecollins.com/dieting/are- ... tening.htm

To be honest, I doubt that avoiding all starches would kill off the bacteria. It would probably reduce their numbers, but they would always be there waiting for some nutrition. Antibiotics would probably be required to kill them, but I assume that they would probably repopulate again, after a while. Once we have the virus, I would assume that we would always be vulnerable.

Love,
Tex

starfire · Post by **starfire** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:34 pm

Thanks Tex,
My mistake (of course).

Well, too bad we couldn't starve them to death.

The claim..............It's probably true but have you ever tried to eat a potato plain? It sure would cut down on my quantity.

I thought carbs/starches were immediately turned into sugar by our body and that's why we gain weight from them. I'm sure quantity would definitely have an effect there.

Love, Shirley

Post by **tex** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:01 pm

Shirley,

Believe it or not, after I adopted the diet, I learned to eat baked potatoes, and even mashed potatoes, with only the addition of a little salt, and I still eat the baked potatoes that way, even though I've reached the point where I can handle dairy products again without significant problems. I do add a little milk and margarine to mashed potatoes, to make them a little smoother, and easier to handle.

Yes, the complex carbohydrates, (starches), are converted into glucose so that our cells can use them as fuel. The key is the rate of absorption. If you drink a coke, for example, you will absorb calories at the rate of, say, roughly 25 or 30 calories per minute, due to the simple sugars in the coke. With a complex carb, the rate of absorption into your bloodstream will be more like maybe 2 calories per minute.

Still, I see no logic in the statement that one can't gain weight from starches.

Love,
Tex

P S Hey, you did great on the topic-spliting exercise. Good work!

starfire · Post by **starfire** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:53 pm

Thank you for the compliment....I admit I was a bit surprised that I got it right first try!! Good teacher, I think.

I absolutely cannot imagine eating a baked or boiled potato without something on it besides salt. I could eat mashed by not draining all the water off, I think. And, of course, I'd be thinking about how good some butter and sour cream would be.

Ahhh, now I understand about the absorption rate of the glucose, etc.
I think I'd better give up my root beer.

You said - "Still, I see no logic in the statement that one can't gain weight from starches." - I think they should have qualified the statement also.

Thanks, Wayne

Love, Shirley