Weird question. Help?

artteacher · Post by **artteacher** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:40 am

This is beyond weird. That's my disclaimer. If I were me reading this, I would think I was weird.

I have been eating cookies made from egg white, and sugar. You put them in the oven at 350, turn off the oven, and let them cook/dehydrate for 2-12 hours. For about 2 weeks now, I have have not only been free of D and gas, but "normal verging on constipated". I haven't been taking any Caltrate, but otherwise following my usual dairy/gluten/legume free diet.
I did a little experiment, and quit eating them for 2 days, and must have had 10-12 BMs, at first very solid, but later in the day soft and pasty. (I'm so sorry, I wish I could be ungraphic). I went back to eating the cookies, and back to being solid.

What's the deal?

Could egg white bind bile acids?

It's cooked above 160 degrees, so avidin is deactivated and not affecting biotin absorbtion. Since biotine is a sulfite, I had thought for a while that avidin was binding it, and eliminating a source of irritation, but that can't be it.

Not really complaining, but really puzzled,
Marsha

Post by **tex** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:39 pm

Hi Marsha,

Well, that does seem a bit weird, all right. LOL.

I can't see a connection between the egg whites and constipation. However, are you aware that sugar can cause constipation?

Love,
Tex

cludwig · Post by **cludwig** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:21 pm

Hi Marsha,

I have no idea what is going on...but a cookie cure for D gets a thumbs up from me.

Love, Cristi

Tessa · Post by **Tessa** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:49 pm

Hi Marsha

No idea of what is going on, neither but I can tell you that every person has a different reaction to the same food.

For instance, some people suffer from constipation after eating a specific food, others have the opposite reaction or none at all...

One of the things you ate could have caused your reaction (and maybe another person would not)... I would try it again later, another day and check if you still have the same reaction... to confirm...

I am sorry, It´s the only think I can say.

Love,
Tessa

artteacher · Post by **artteacher** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:13 pm

Hi Tex, and thanks everyone, for answering . .

It's just weird, because sugar itself usually gives me gas: I have problems with carbs of all kinds.

I will definitely go off cookies again to see if it was just a fluke. It's possible it could be my brain messing with me . . .

Anybody else have ideas about this?

Love, Marsha

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:50 am

Very strange indeed. Let us know what the results are again and I'll see what I can find. Also, just to verify, sugar and eggs are the only 2 ingredients?

Sugar for me makes me sick. Long pencil thin stools, for hours on end, pain, achy. Imodium gets me back to right or just waiting it out if I'm at home.

Have you had egg allergy tested? I know that some food allergies can cause constipation in some folks instead of diarrhea.

artteacher · Post by **artteacher** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:48 am

It gets curious.

Eggs all by themselves (scrambled, over easy, fried, etc) give me D. I don't eat them. I do eat eggs in things, like meatloaf, or mayonaise, and there doesn't seem to be any trouble.
About 15 years ago I had an ELISA test that said I was allergic to eggs, but nothing else. 5 years ago I had a traditional scratch test that showed a reaction to wheat, but nothing else.

And I just picked up my paleo Cordain book and feel the same way I did when I didn't have my first baby totally Lamaze. I don't know if you'll get that reference, but people who had babies in the 70's and 80's were really influenced by that movement. I felt like a failure when I had painkillers near the end of labor.

See ya, Marsha

starfire · Post by **starfire** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:19 pm

I had what they called a saddle block with both my deliveries (early 60's) and I was quite happy to get them!!

Love, Shirley

artteacher · Post by **artteacher** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:57 pm

Hi Shirley,

In theory, no painkillers is a great idea, but Jeez, having a baby isn't very comfortable, is it? My baby's 23 now. He was 9 lbs, and had the cord wrapped around his armpits. C-section on that one.

I have a question: how many of us had C-sections? Would you think that had any effect on the function of our GI system? I know my problems started after that delivery. (Although lots of other things that could be considered triggers were going on then, too)

Love,
Marsha

starfire · Post by **starfire** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:50 pm

Hi Marsha,
No, childbirth is way beyond comfortable. My daughter had her first when she was about 29 years old. She was in labor for a LONG time and they made 2 trips to the hospital, only to be sent home. On the 2nd trip, the nurse said, "Let me tell you what the doctor means by uncomfortable", because that's what he kept telling Pam. "Come when you are uncomfortable".
The nurse said, "You can't lie down, you can't sit, you can't walk and it feels like the baby is going to drop out any minute", or something to that effect. Next time she was "uncomfortable" enough and they kept her. That was quite a relief. I was totally exhausted and I know she was too.

I never had a C-section....... not that I'm complaining about that.

I have no idea if something like that could cause our type of GI problem, but I'm quite sure that it would be better if we never had be "invaded".

Love, Shirley

cludwig · Post by **cludwig** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:52 pm

Hi Marsha,

I had two C-sections . You said that your problems started after your delivery. On an Oprah show recently was a woman who had had D since giving birth and the Dr on the show said that that is not uncommon and that it had to do with creating antibodies as a result of the pregnancy for some reason. He didn't go into any more of an explanation...then acted like the D was nothing to be concerned about. Not very helpful I'm afraid.

Love, Cristi

Post by **tex** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:34 pm

The formation of antibodies during pregnancy is now rare (since the introduction of anti-D injections), but they can occur if a woman is 'Rhesus negative' and her unborn baby is 'Rhesus positive'. During pregnancy, the baby's and mother's blood remain completely separate, with all the nutrients and oxygen passing over a fine membrane at the level of the placenta. It is very rare for the mother's and baby's blood to mix. However, under certain circumstances it is possible for a very small amount of the baby's blood to cross over into the mother's blood stream, triggering a 'reaction' in the mother's blood to form 'antibodies' (about a 10 to 20% chance).

This quote is from:

http://www.birth.com.au/class.asp?class=6625&page=6

Love,
Tex

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:19 am

I touched a bit on the sterols produced in women during pregnancy here when talking aboug glucocorticoids:
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... 9965#29965

Progesterone inhibits TH1 and promotes TH2. Thus inhibiting the inflammitory (like MC) response and promoting the antibody response. As tex mentioned so long as the baby is "similar" to mother in blood, HLA, etc the antibodies should not be produced towards the fetus. Though put enough stress on the mother and you either get a breakdown in modulation of the TH2 response and thus antibodies towards fetus, or you get a TH2 response that will see the fetus as foreign matter as well and defend the body against it. Something that stops the production of progesterone would also cause problems.

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:29 pm

Here's one possible mechanism with eggs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_white

In cases where poisoning by heavy metals is suspected, ovalbumin should be administered on direction from emergency personnel. Ovalbumin chelates to heavy metals and traps the metal ions within the matrix of the protein. After the poison has been absorbed, one may be instructed to induce vomiting to purge the metal–protein mixture. Iron poisoning is the second leading cause of death among toddlers in the United States and it is recommended that parents always keep eggs around the house and lock up all vitamins and supplements out of the reach of children.

Perhaps the egg white is chelating something in your body and thus making you feel better. Chelators also help with the uptake of minerals that we might be missing.

Along the same line of thought, Calcium Citrate is also a chelator. One thing in our bodies that is thought to be part of Inflamitory Bowel Diseases is something called Matrix metalloproteinase (MMP). MMP can be inhibited by chelators.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_metalloproteinase
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... med_docsum

artteacher · Post by **artteacher** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:25 am

Geez Mike,
I don't mean to be a flatterer, but you're amazing. I started to research bile acid and gall bladder function, and gave up. All the medical terms made my eyes cross.
Heavy metals are something I never considered.
The last cookies I had were on Saturday night. Monday at 4pm the stomach "problems" started. Since I have a 30 hour transit time, that's about what would be expected, I guess.
Are calcium carbonate, copper, magnesium, zinc, boron, or any of the other ingredients in Caltrate 600+ known to be chelaters, also? Chelate means "to bind" or "buffer"?

Love, Marsha