study linking Hashimoto's with LC

[tex]

Joanna,

Bear in mind that, regardless of the date of MC diagnosis, anyone could have MC, and not yet be symptomatic.

Love,
Tex

[artteacher]

Hi Joanna,

Yes, the thyroid antibodies were seen in bloodwork about 12-13 years ago, before the lupus diagnosis, & thyroid supplimentation, and when the IBS-type symptoms were beginning to intensify.

Maybe all I'm noticing is symptoms of Hashimoto's and the fluctuating hypo and hyper thyroid. Thank you for posting, I appreciate it.

Love, Marsha

[artteacher]

Hi Polly,

I haven't had much time to be on the computer, but you had a question about parathyroid and I didn't know how to answer. The way I understand it is that most parathyroid problems are due to hyperparathyroid output. And that is due to a growth or tumer on the parathyroid gland itself. In that case there would be excess calcium in the blood, kidney stones, and bone density loss. A direct autoimmune attack on the parathyroid glands would cause hypo-function, & cause low blood calcium. The adrenals, thyroid, pituatary, and other glands are interconnected, and problems with one can be traced back to others.

I think we should all see veteranarians, rather than people doctors. I know that random statement may seem like it came out of nowhere, except that, you know what I mean. Bob, we've talked in the past about some veteranarians being smarter about origins of disease.

Thank you Polly and Wayne and Joanna, for letting me vent. Every time I see a doctor I am pulled one way - to trust the doc, and the other - to not, basically. Oh for happy medians. mediums? whatever

Love, Marsha

P.S. I'm editing this to add some links about parathyroid

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... t=Abstract

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:THI ... clnk&cd=14

[bobh]

Oh my goodness, Bob. Question, you were DX with MC years ago right? Love, Joanna

Well, I think I have had MC at least 15 years. My first colonoscopy was in 1994 because of constant "D" for a couple years. They saw "areas of inflammation" but didn't know to check for MC at that time.

The next colonoscopy was 2003, same comment on inflammation, biopsy confirmed MC.

Yesterday's lab result was the first time ever "looked for" antibodies to thyroid. I have had symptoms of thyroid trouble for a long time, and really suspect that everything began for me when I had a horrific viral infection in 1986 (Epstein Barr, following having Mono 10 years earlier). I think that set off a series of events. And I am genetically strange.

Glad to be breathing,

[tex]

Bob,

It's interesting that you would mention that your GI docs noticed "areas of inflammation" in your colon. Conventional wisdom holds that the inflammation from MC is invisible without the aid of a microscope, and that's the position of most GI docs.

However, Dr. Fine mentions that he has been able to see scattered areas of inflammation during colonscopies, which have later been verified to be MC, after examination of biopsy samples. When I reported, (on the old board), that I could see those areas of inflammation on the monitor screen during my own colonoscopy, (back in the early part of this century), I don't think that anyone here believed me. However, more and more GI docs are beginning to admit that the areas of inflammation are indeed faintly visable to the unaided eye. Thanks for mentioning that.

Tex

[Lucy]

Hi all,

Long time no post.

Anyway, just thought I'd reiterate, in case anyone doesn't already know this, but false negatives for thyroid antibodies are fairly common, so a negative result doesn't necessarily tell you that you don't have it. Could be just a matter of timing if it's an on and off flaring, I guess.

When I see my endo next week, I'll ask him why he thinks I'm hypoparathryoid. I was tested while on large doses of both calcium and D3, so I'm thinking that possibly it was some sort of feedback thing.
Unfortunately, I've not been so faithful with either supplement, but try to remember to drink lots of that new UNSWEETENED almond milk that's come out now for the added calcium, etc. I like a cup of it with a packet of Splenda since it's not anywhere near as sweet as the version that comes already sweetened -- can't handle that! This unsweetened version would be good to use on the gf cereals as they generally already have more than enough sweetner. Of course, the Splenda wouldn't be necessary on an already sweetened cereal. I'm not big on sweets, personally, and this is just about the only Splenda I ever use. Perhaps I should just drink it without on the cereal most of the time.

Wow, I allowed myself to get way off topic because I hardly ever get a chance to post, so I'm cramming all this in one post.

Also, I'd like to reiterate that I believe the antibodies to the small bowel are cross sensitive to the hypothyroid tissue, if my memory serves me correctly. Again, I'll have to ask the endo next week during the appointment. I think, being a PhD researcher that he's very in interested in all this.

Interesting thread, although I've not yet had a chance to read the articles/abstracts that came after the first one.

Hope everyone's 2007 is off to a great start!

Yours, Luce

[bobh]

Bob,
It's interesting that you would mention that your GI docs noticed "areas of inflammation" in your colon. Conventional wisdom holds that the inflammation from MC is invisible without the aid of a microscope, and that's the position of most GI docs... Thanks for mentioning that.

For what it's worth, the 2nd colonoscopy that DID diagnose MC per biopsy also noted visible areas of inflammation. The doc said that "how they know where to take the tissue sample from", they take a little snip at an area of inflammation.

I was glad just to know I didn't have something like Crohn's, because I KNEW something was WRONG, just didn't know what the diagnosis was other than "IBS".

As soon as I got the diagnosis of MC, googled and found Judy M's old site, with the description of MC "explosive diarrhea, up to 20 times a day or more". That's when I knew I had the right label for my illness. And the 2 to 3 Entocort continues to keep in at bay, for 4 months and 7 days now.

[artteacher]

Hi Bob,

This is a link to a site that doctors can send questions about difficult patients to. Well, not so much difficult patients, but difficult THYROID related labwork; you know what I mean.

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:0x8 ... =clnk&cd=9

I am also emailing you the selected Q&A segments that I thought might be especially interesting to you. They're lengthy, & I don't know which you'd prefer (to read through the whole page of questions for yourself, or just the ones I thought pertinent.) So if you just perfer the link, delete my email please.

The information discusses hypothyroid, celiac, hashimoto's, addisons disease, pituatary function, and other things that I know you've been running into in your reading. There is a Q from a doctor who is trying to get the best diagnosis without running up financial debt for a patient - especially interesting.

Love, Marsha

[bobh]

Wow - thank you for taking the time. Couple days ago learned I have Hashimoto's (thyroid) and with the info you sent me, and finding definitions for "addisons" - I am pretty sure my adrenals are hammered too (I get the 24 hour adrenal tests back this coming week).

I find it interesting that I have MC, which is an autoimmune attack on the intestines, Hashimoto's, autoimmune attack on the thyroid, and believe I have the symptoms of screwed adrenals, and per this quote that is also likely autoimmune:

Once demonstrated, the cause of adrenal failure needs to be elucidated. Today, the most common cause is autoimmune, and can be tested for with an assay for 21-hydroxylase antibodies.

that is from a search of Addison's on http://www.wikipedia.org/